Mgtow can go mainstream all it wants, but at the end of the day it isn't women as a collective or even sjws/far leftists, but taken/married men promoting singlism, bias and discrimination against single men.

social_mule · 2021-12-10T17:01:38+00:00

As a lifelong single guy, I can’t say I have had many men pressuring me in the way you are suggesting.

Perseus_the_Bold · 2021-12-10T20:51:44+00:00

MGTOW give other men the same finger that we give to women when they try to act like the gatekeepers of our masculinty. Why do you think MGTOW do not get along with Tradcucks, SJWs, Feminists, incels, Black Pillers, Pickup Artists, FDS, MRAs etc, or with anyone and everyone who pretends to dictate what our masculinity should be?

Nobody has a monopoly on the "Real Man" brand. That is the ethos of the MGTOW movement. That is why we cringe whenever the mainstream media attempts to smear us by claiming we are female-obcessed when that is precisely the opposite of our goal. We are walking away from women NOT towards them; and we are going our own way as far as determining who we are as men. To be MGTOW means you are the author of your own story and although you may take inspiration from others, ultimately you are the protagonist in your own life not them. NEVER Them!

The fight to determine our own identity is not against any one subset of people, this is not a fight against a gender, an ethnic group, a religion, or a government. This is a fight against other minds. On top of that it's the struggle to take control of ourselves. The biggest battle is with conquering the self against all other influences that would convince us to sacrifice ourselves to a cause that benefits someone else. Once a man has full ownership of all his own faculties it is immensely easy to tell others to fuck right off and go kick rocks somewhere else if they dare to try and dictate to us what a "Ream Man" is.

TardisCat2020 · 2021-12-10T16:32:43+00:00

This is only true regarding very religious or tradcon men. They're the only ones who are shaming men (and women, to be fair) and pressuring them into relationships or marriage.

NockerJoe · 2021-12-10T17:00:12+00:00

I've never had a married man shame me. Most of the guys I know with experience will pretty freely give advice to less experienced friends and there isn't really an invisible dominance war going on in most social circles.

In fact, in my experience its the reverse. Unless a guy is unusually attractice and unusually dim he usually has some idea its hard out there and has probably had to also eat his fair share of shit sandwhiches at some point simply because very few men are born attractive AND wealthy AND with a naturally good body, and instead have to at some point cross the learning curve themselves one way or another, and are usually inclined to give advice on what they've learned in the process.

Slyfer_Seven · 2021-12-10T17:12:06+00:00

Men don't ever pressure each other to get into relationships... That's women

If anything, men pressure each other to get out of relationships

xFallacyx69 · 2021-12-10T16:12:18+00:00

What? Incel shaming is done by women because women see incels as unlovable cretins, then backwards rationalize that it must be how shitty the incel is as a person that is causing women to feel that way about someone.

Men shame incels because they don’t want to be seen as an incel (even if they are) and want to feign disgust for a group of men in order to seem more attractive/capable to women. It’s essentially white knighting against a made up villain. The villains crime? Being unattractive and venting about the hardships created by losing the genetic lottery.

By the way, strictly by definition, most men are incels at most points in their life whether or not they claim to be. Very few men get sex whenever they want it.

I think what you meant to say was “single men”, not incels. Also, a single man who is getting laid all the time is gonna be shamed for being single… but he’s not gonna give a shit cuz he has, at the very least, the perception of options

Devourer_of_felines · 2021-12-10T20:34:19+00:00

It's other men constantly peer-to-peer pressuring you to get into relationships and define your worth based off them

Did you plagiarize this from the Onion? Lol. Men don't give two shits what other men's relationship status are.

Beginning_Proof_2160 · 2021-12-10T17:58:03+00:00

BS, actually men teach younger generations to not make same mistakes they made, unlike some 50yo women complaining on tiktok and teaching young women to make same mistakes they did

RahLyt · 2021-12-10T16:33:19+00:00

Lol shaming is women No1 weapon.

2021-12-10T16:23:37+00:00

Men don't shame other men really if they do it's more playful or out of general concern. Woman are usually the ones who Shane tryna hurt the other girl or bring them down and make then feel bad. Could be wrong this is just from my own experience

Atlas-B-Shruggin · 2021-12-10T18:04:39+00:00

why will anyone ever give a flying fuck about aging single people, male or female, on some "societal" level? the familiy is the fundamental building block of human culture. you all complain about all the "benefits" women get, but even single women dont get shit, only mothers. the world is now and always will be controlled and run by older family men

what human motiviaton would their be to promote the welfare of single 39 year old men in the workforce over family men?

JacobMoogberg69 · 2021-12-10T16:56:39+00:00

You are 100% correct! The biggest issue men have is that they fear disapproval and being banished from the tribe unless they conform. But by conforming they are just another loser follower who gets no pussy. Instead, men should define their own value and what makes them quality men. When they figure out that the most important thing is what they believe about themselves and not what other believe about them, they will be free, confident and will finally become the alpha male chads the crave.

cuckspace · 2021-12-10T18:27:08+00:00

Every man wants to be the single men who have casual sex. Married men shame them because they are jealous and to get a pat on the head by their matriarchy overlords. Women see them as a threatening influence on their men and try to undermine their friendships, but secretly desire such untamed men. Note that I’m obviously not talking about incels, nobody wants to be them or be with them, but men who evade or break free from the marriage prison and manage to have a sex life as single men.

2021-12-10T20:40:45+00:00

It's not even men that are the enemy, it's toxic masculinity.

If you think you have to be an asshole to yourself and others because "hurr durr survival of the fittest" you are hurting your health and the health of other men.

Just let people be human beings and a lot of our problems will go away.

2021-12-10T21:07:06+00:00

What man tries to pressure another into a relationship

Uniqueiamjustjules · 2021-12-10T21:14:24+00:00

just anecdata, but I've had a number of married friends say that the institution has *some* value, but it's less than desirable. They do find their kids to be *very* worth it.

vanillapopsicle · 2021-12-11T01:02:10+00:00

Having a hot girlfriend or being good with women is good for status period. But generally I see more women actively resorting to incel-type insults as a reliable attack. It’s not really a man’s go-to.

2021-12-10T16:01:30+00:00

I disagree completely. Most men tell younger men not to get married. Your take does not exist

The_Meep_Lord · 2021-12-10T15:53:36+00:00

What?

Do you think women are not adults and cannot be responsible or something? Because this is silly.

A man who sleeps with a married woman isn’t breaking a promise (often he doesn’t even know), she is. Yet your logic makes it seem like it is his fault that she couldn’t be loyal?

In order for your point to be true, women will have to lose all there rights so men have the absolute authority needed to take that level of responsibility for women’s actions.

AnnoKano · 2021-12-10T17:17:42+00:00

I will never shame someone for struggling to find a partner or for being a virgin. I’m sympathetic to anyone who is in that position. However, if you are an incel I would suggest going for therapy because there’s probably something more to it than simply being unable to find a partner or get laid.

If you decide that relationships aren’t for you, that’s fine too. I have known a few men who have made that decision and are completely upstanding guys. You should pursue your own happiness. However, I don’t believe MGTOW people are actually happy at all, in fact they are universally bitter about it. Indeed they will talk about the good things they have since they decided to stop dating women, but not outside the framework of comparing it to a relationship. The happy single people that I know are not obsessed with relationships.

As for SJWs and far-leftists, they do not care about your relationship choices, it’s the underlying misogyny that bothers them. You can decide to ride your motorcycle off into the sunset without telling everyone that all women are lying harlots.

2021-12-10T17:40:24+00:00

Is your point that married men discriminate against unmarried men?

Only in terms of employment and professional advancement, I suppose. But that's not a function of married men as a group drawing conclusions about single men individiually or as a group. It's more a function of corporate culture which is composed of both men and women drawing conclusions about unmarried men. That's not married men doing this, per se. If anything the individual married man is like all other humans - he suffers from "grass is greener" syndrome too.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2021-12-10T22:43:16+00:00

Lol no society promotes bias against single people.

And I'd say single men aren't discriminated against, undesirable men are.

I'm never shamed for being single....it's expected that I wouldn't have a gf because "why would I?" as a girl last week put it.

2021-12-10T21:57:08+00:00

I feel like single bitter antisocial people are their own worst enemies and just like to pin their problems on literally ANYONE else than work on themselves. Like fuck, people who don’t have your problems literally don’t spend 4s of their lives thinking about your inability to get laid, let alone actively try to make your situation worse.

Educational-Cut4177 · 2021-12-10T20:09:39+00:00

MGTOW is cancer

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Jakes1967 · 2021-12-11T01:19:18+00:00

Mgtow can go mainstream all it wants, but at the end of the day it isn't women as a collective or even sjws/far leftists, but taken/married men promoting singlism, bias and discrimination against single men.

We must come from completely different worlds, as in my experience it's married men encouraging youngmen to remain single.

I know MGTOW men and confirmed bachelors, but they're usually of the ilk, that you have to experience life to gain experience. It's older married men preaching for youngmen to remain single.

2021-12-11T07:43:32+00:00

oh the SWJs, women and leftists that are constantly trying to deplatform and slander MGTOW in top of shaming MGTOWs for being single... they aren't the ones bashing single men? cool story bro!

rad1om · 2021-12-11T08:38:29+00:00

This is one of the worst takes I've seen here in quite some time. Couldn't be any further from the truth.

TheSmallerGambler · 2021-12-11T09:55:12+00:00

The solution is not to care.

dante42lk · 2021-12-11T10:34:25+00:00

Yeah it's not like radical feminists still live strong at any social media regularly blurting out very radical statements about men and mgtow movement, containing no hatred whatsoever, mostly a discussion why you should focus on yourself, is suddenly excluded from everywhere. No bias whatsoever, right 👍

Exciting-Necessary-5 · 2021-12-11T17:10:34+00:00

Wtf is this real? In my circle of married friends they would NEVER try to pressure me into a relationship. Maybe on one occasion try to play match maker and let me know of single woman who was open but that was it. But discrimination and singlism? Absolutely not!

Also to add. Only once in my life has a man made me feel bad for being a virgin. It was an ex best friend of mine whom has taken too many vices and pretty much turned into a toxic person whom I cut off. Everybody else reassured me that it was ok and fine to be single and a virgin.

I've received the most grief from women regarding the fact I'm single and a virgin!

IcarusKiki · 2021-12-11T19:57:05+00:00

MGTOW is 50% bitter divorced guys and 50% cping incls. It’s not a chad psyop

AbbreviationsHot1200 · 2021-12-12T06:31:58+00:00

Most married/taken men are quite jealous of single men who get to play the field.

And most people are envious of a person who can be happy alone. Its like a lifehack.

sisyphuslasvegas · 2021-12-23T09:40:00+00:00

I agree, Men have for too long based their worth on body count, relationships or type of women they sleep with; hopefully, that will come to an end. The most dangerous thing for Men today, is the simp culture that is remnants of the same pressure you point out - interesting point.

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