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Women’s Scholarships And Awards Eliminated To Be Fair To Men

a-man-from-earth

April 19, 2022
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2022/04/13/womens-scholarships-and-awards-eliminated-to-be-fair-to-men/?sh=1edb11967fe2
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Title Women’s Scholarships And Awards Eliminated To Be Fair To Men
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a-man-from-earth

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Date April 19, 2022 9:05 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
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Comments

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[S] 117 points118 points119 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Good to see attention given to equality in Forbes. And of course the feminists are raging about "just erase women" and "let's make it harder for women to access education, employment or the community at large all in the name of fairness -then presto - the world is returned to men while the women stay at home, raising babies and making dinner" proving it isn't about equality for them. As if not having unfair access to sexist scholarships means they are sent back into the kitchen...

[–]Aimless-Nomad 75 points76 points77 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or the time when some scandinavian country removed the minority college program or whatever just few years (or months dont remember) after men started using it. Even though the women were using it for 3 decades.

Experience privilege and equality will seem like oppression.

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 77 points78 points79 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

These feminists have such a negative view about women.

They don't think women are as smart and capable as men and therefore believe that unfair treatment is the only way a woman can get ahead in life.

I for one respect women and do not believe that they need special treatment in order to succeed in life.

[–]country2poplarbeef 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This continues to get me. Such utter bullshit balancing the "damsel in distress" narrative alongside the "proud, independent woman" narrative. Like, how the fuck is anybody supposed to be independent if there's always somebody there to pick you up and put you back on training wheels?

[–]dr_pepper02 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s why I say feminists actually support patriarchy because they need it to extract resources from men and hold men to their traditional role without women being held to their’s. They want the power of men without the obligations and responsibilities that come with a man’s role, in short they want the benefits without the risks.

[–]BloomingBrains 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Except in their narrative women are completely capable and intelligent and all that, its just that even so, they still need extra help because patriarchy is keeping them down, so its really just balancing out.

[–]country2poplarbeef 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You become capable and intelligent, though, by actually overcoming hurdles on your own. At least that's how I figured things pulling myself up by the bootstraps and "working on myself" as a guy.

[–]BloomingBrains 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I get what you mean but that bootstraps logic doesn't always work. Some obstacles can't be overcome just by applying more effort. The classic example is when conservatives say people in minimum wage jobs who can't afford education should lift themselves up by their bootstraps and go to college.

If there really was systemic discrimination against women in colleges, I would be all for women-only scholarships. But the fact is there isn't any (or very little, in most areas).

[–]rattlesnake_suitcase 44 points45 points46 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it isn't about equality for them.

The goalposts have moved. It isn't real equality in terms of equal opportunity. Now "equality" is being measured by the number of women in high ranking positions (CEOs, senators) and whether or not women (as a whole) earn as much on average as men do - not just that they're paid equally for doing the same job and no, the fact that a huge % of women freely and happily choose to work less hours in less stressful demanding jobs (or not at all) will not be considered.

"Yes, women are doing better in college, but men still control everything and still earn a lot more on average, therefore all these scholarships are justified"

[–]MRA_TitleIXask me about Title IX 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What's more is that sex based scholarships aren't defacto illegal under Title IX. They just have to be implemented and administered in an evenhanded way so the overall effect is balanced.

A school that has scholarships for men in nursing, education, social work etc to promote diversity is probably okay to also run a couple women only scholarships in stem.

No one is talking about the uncomfortable truth here. They would rather not help women than help men too. The schools could have taken steps to allow these scholarships to continue if they actually cared about diversity, but they don't. The implementation of these scholarships and their refusal to be evenhanded shows their true colors as bigots, not diversity advocates.

[–]Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n[🍰] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No one is talking about the uncomfortable truth here. They would rather not help women than help men too.

That's one way of looking at it. Another, is that they took the route that would cost them less money rather than lift both sexes up with financial aid. And I can see why they'd do that. If we are being charitable it is short sighted decision making, if we are not being so charitable... I think you're right.

[–]Lasers_Pew_Pew_Pew 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ironic when they're the ones erasing women

[–]BabyYodasDirtyDiaper 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, ideally, the solution wouldn't be to get rid of women's scholarships -- it would be to add equivalent men's scholarships.

Equality is good, but it's better to lift everyone up equally than to beat everybody down equally.

[–]naelisio 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This doesn’t even make sense, because women are far more likely to pursue higher education than men in the first place. It’s literally giving a stepping stone to the group that’s already up higher.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points74 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Women in the United States have earned more bachelor’s degrees than men every year since the mid-1980s. Last fall, women made up 59.2% of all those enrolled in a college or university, and men made up only 40.8%.

More women graduating every year since the mid-1980s... so 40 odd years and counting. Doesn't sound like there's any haste to tackle those 410 and 21 other Title IX complaints the two men mentioned in the article lodged.

[–]peanutbutterjamsleft-wing male advocate 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

In Canada, women are the majority graduates in every other degree except STEM.

Men aren't allowed to out-perform women in any positive way this threatens the feminist narrative that men are inherently toxic to our society and it's only through God feminism that heretics men can learn how to be better.

Who would refuse such gracious help as theirs? Only the insane; only those who want to stew in their own immorality, as defined by their distance from feminism.

It's like Jehova's Witnesses forbidding a blood transfusion that would save their child. Sorry but, it's contemptible to most everyone, right?

That's what we are to feminists. Contemptible ingrates who refuse the obviously BETTER way that feminism offers.

The more we object, the more contemptible we are.

Because we refuse the ONLY known way to save our moral lives.

/s

That's what religion gets ya. An unearned, an impossible-to-be-earned, and yet absolute faith in your own morality.

Nobody's the better for it but it's devilishly difficult to disarm once it has its claws in a sizable enough portion of our society.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points43 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

In Canada, women are the majority graduates in every other degree except STEM.

That's what I like by and large about STEM subjects. Feelings and opinions are lovely, but if you can't code, don't understand the laws of physics, can't solve technical problems, etc., you're not going to cut the mustard.

Men aren't allowed to out-perform women in any positive way this threatens the feminist narrative

When I was still at school decades ago and boys were outperforming the girls on average, the explanation was that the system was rigged against the girls. Now that girls typically outperform the boys, its because they're smarter and better students.

I'm patiently awaiting for the inevitable turnaround with the Wage Gap statistic. When women earn a fraction of a dollar for every dollar a man earns, its clear "evidence of discrimination". If and when it ever gets turned on its head and women earn more on average, it'll be evidence that women perform more valuable work and are better at their jobs.

[–]rattlesnake_suitcase 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

boys were outperforming the girls on average, the explanation was that the system was rigged against the girls. Now that girls typically outperform the boys, its because they're smarter and better students.

This is society in a nutshell.

Any statistic where women/girls are lagging = society's fault (meaning men, mostly) and the solution is hundreds of millions in outreach across the entire mainstream - every level of education, corporate world, government, entertainment/Hollywood. Non-stop outreach and "positive discrimination" to help them.

Any statistic where men/boys are lagging = rolls eyes and oh please, tell them to work harder and do better. Crickets in terms of support.

Women in STEM vs. the boys education gap is a perfect example of this

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So basically men should man up but just said in a less obvious way

[–]TheManBehindTheBoard 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the hypocrisy behind most feminist policies with regard to men. "Fragile masculinity"-- "you need to do better and not be so fragile"-- "you need to hide your vulnerabilities and misgivings"-- "man up".

[–]peanutbutterjamsleft-wing male advocate 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's hypo-agency and hyper-agency in a nutshell, though.

It's never women's fault; it's always men's fault.

If men are doing badly it's because men are bad and because they haven't fixed their problems themselves.

If women are doing badly, it's because society is bad and because it hasn't fix women's problems itself.

At least in the feminist world.

[–]xsplizzle 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

its unlikely society will change for women as a whole to change the earnings gap, there will always be more women than men taking time off for children, doing less overtime and being less dedicated to their job. If you are blind to gender and the hardest working / most experienced / best workers get the promotions, most of the time that will still be men when you look at the population as a whole, individually its not the case of course

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You're right, and I thought about that when I was typing out the original post, but then I think on the amount of pressure being exerted to see women promoted and paid more across the board and I think it will still happen in time.

Plus, have you seen how much money even average-looking young women can make cam-whoring? Its staggering. I used to work at a night club just out of high school and the attractive girls would pull a thousand bucks in tips on a good night. They'd have gotten that in half an hour with an OnlyFans account.

[–]xsplizzle 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There are only so many jobs a company can give to gift to lesser employers for diversity reasons before the company starts losing money, every time a person is only promoted because of some diversity reason rather than the person who will make the company the most money they lose value and another company that only hires and promotes the best of either gender will eventually take their business.

I have no idea how much the onlyfans girls are making but i would imagine most of them arent making a killing other than the top 0.001% who have some kind of unique hook like that chick that was selling her bathwater and did the whole cute anime girl thing a genre which onlyfans is now flooded with.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are only so many jobs a company can give to gift to lesser employers for diversity reasons before the company starts losing money, every time a person is only promoted because of some diversity reason rather than the person who will make the company the most money they lose value and another company that only hires and promotes the best of either gender will eventually take their business.

That's the way it should work, but most companies carry plenty of fat, particularly large companies. I've been waiting for the bubble to burst on Diversity Officers and other meaningless job titles that add no value to an organization, but they're becoming more and more prevalent. It seems more likely to me that carrying a significant number of these parasites will simply become part of the cost of doing business.

I have no idea how much the onlyfans girls are making but i would imagine most of them arent making a killing other than the top 0.001% who have some kind of unique hook like that chick that was selling her bathwater and did the whole cute anime girl thing a genre which onlyfans is now flooded with.

Some of the numbers I've seen are that the top tier ladies are making in a month (working a handful of days) what I make in a year. Perhaps I'm out of touch and the number of women out there putting their webcams to work has reduced the average intake, but even distinctly average girls were pulling $5 to $10k a month. Source was some website that was tracking the donations per account. Seems there are plenty of sad guys out there who will part with their hard-earned for a bit of attention.

[–]deusdeorum 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If and when it ever gets turned on its head and women earn more on average

Well, they already do in certain fields. And as a whole they do up until having kids, where many make choices that detract from earnings.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, understand that women under thirty typically out-earn men. Not that surprising really, given young women have a deteriorating commodity that is easily monetized and most men are still building up skills and qualifications in the same time period.

[–]rattlesnake_suitcase 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

women are the majority graduates in every other degree except STEM.

Women actually dominate STEM too when you count all of the sciences (veterinary science, social sciences, etc) not just engineering and computer science. Yet so much emphasis is placed on "correcting" the one and only areas where men outperform women.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Medical sciences too.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my God I didn't think about those other courses please can you provide the sources for this , I need in case

[–]BeautifulTomatillo 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Girls are now outperforming boys in elementary and high school STEM classes due to teacher bias among other reasons.

And women also dominate STEM in Canada, the “women in STEM” nonsense relies on cherry picking certain engineering subjects and CS while ignoring medicine, pharmacy, biology, veterinary medicine and chemistry

[–]dr_pepper02 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But here’s what women particularly feminists seem to forget, it’s working class men who build and maintain the infrastructure that allows them to be “independent” and have their high paid office jobs, so their expensive degrees won’t mean a lot if there’s no office to go to.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right, but I'm sure that they don't care. Logic and common sense aren't valuable traits on that side of the fence. Got to go with your feelz...

[–]MRA_TitleIXask me about Title IX 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't sound like there's any haste to tackle those 410 and 21 other Title IX complaints the two men mentioned in the article lodged.

OCR is the agency that handles these complaints. OCR is allowed to be proactive and can select schools for compliance reviews. OCR chooses to not do this for programs that discriminate against men. They will take no action unless a complaint is lodged. When they do rule on a complaint they will do the minimum possible and will almost always refrain from saying they found indication of discrimination. The resolution will not require admission of guilt and will at max require language changes for the program and some training.

I have yet to see a single case ruled by OCR that has required remedial action. It is subject to the "satisfaction" of the secretary and is never implemented when it helps men. It is supposed to be used when there is a legacy of discrimination, and was used on schools switching from being men only to coed when Title IX was passed. It wasn't enough that they changed policy, they had to actively work at fixing the effects that continued to persist.

Now take a look at my recent win against Hackbright. Hackbright used to be explicitly women only, then Strayer U took over operations last year. There is nothing in the resolution requiring the university to take remedial action, despite the parallel to men-only colleges being exact.

Lack of penalties, lack of meaningful enforcement, lack of proactive reviews, and lack of political attention means this continues. The only thing we can do to make a difference is to play wack-a-mole with sexist programs by filing complaints the moment they pop up. We need more help out here.

Current students tipping people like us off and sending us info is monumentally critical to success. If anyone reading this is a student at a US university, please drop me a DM alerting me to discriminatory programs at your college or university. We can work together to file complaints.

[–]peanutbutterjamsleft-wing male advocate 47 points48 points49 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I love the caption to the thumbnail picture:

University awards and scholarships for women are deemed sexist toward men.

"Sexism is deemed sexist."

Thanks for the good news!

[–]MRA_TitleIXask me about Title IX 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't worry, the Dept. Of Ed. Office of civil rights is just learning this too. Easy mistake to make.

[–]GorchestopherH 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's interesting how all these things are illegal under title IX, but are so common that one guy has filed over 400 complaints, so common that those scholarships and awards are just normal and that most likely aren't going anywhere.

[–]griii2left-wing male advocate 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

> in the male-dominated STEM fields

Nope, STEM fields are not male-dominated https://thetinmen.blog/stem-scam/

[–]Skirt_Douglas 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Male dominated is such a bullshit loaded phrasing. Even when true that men outnumber women in a given field, that doesn’t mean the field is under the control of the collective male sex.

[–]rattlesnake_suitcase 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well written article, fair and balanced. They didn't do the usual, "yes, but what but historical oppression?... we're victims, stop oppressing us, what about all those male CEOs" response.

[–]MRA_TitleIXask me about Title IX 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There are very few of us out here doing this, and Kursat is making some real progress. Well done dude, scholarships are a hard one to tackle. Takes a lot of research and time to argue this type of case successfully. I even find the prospect of this kind of case daunting.

Kursat and Mark Perry were the two people who inspired my activism when I came face-to-face with the biased leviathan that is school Title IX offices and OCR. Keep up the good fight.

[–]Interesting_Doubt_17 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is Kursat the same guy who was in the "MRAs vs feminists" Jubilee video?

[–]MRA_TitleIXask me about Title IX 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm only familiar with the products of his Title IX work via news articles and discussions I've had with him.

I checked the YouTube channel it does look like he was in that one. I haven't watched it though.

[–]jingleofadogscollar_ 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Headline is a bit misleading because nothing has to be 'eliminated' vs, as the article says, simply offering the same award to a male applicant as well.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Universities would rather eliminate benefits for all than give it to men.

[–]rammo123 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course they do. Can you imagine the uproar from the twitterati if a University offered a men's only scholarship? They've been so conditioned into believing men are universally privileged that they can't entertain the thought of men lagging behind in something.

[–]Zinziberruderalis 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some scholarships are funded by donor bequests and there may have been stipulations.

[–]Vandechoz 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it sounded like that has been the reaction by universities in most of the cases so far, so I don't think so

[–]Mammoth_Salt_4509 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's mind-numbing to see people, which are otherwise surely smart, being surprised because the rules made to create equality have the unintended effect of creating equality, just not the way they expected.

[–]djblackprince 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is very positive news

[–]Lasers_Pew_Pew_Pew 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Can’t we just have more instead?

[–]Man_of_culture_112left-wing male advocate 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The universities would rather not spend money. That's why this was easier to do, trying to get them to spend money will be much tougher.

[–]Lasers_Pew_Pew_Pew 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Split them 50/50 then? No one getting anything seems like a bad compromise. Fuckers.

[–]PricklyGoober 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably in their minds, benefitting women over men is the politically right thing to do that makes them look ‘nice’. So having 50/50 doesn’t particularly stand-out compared to not having anything for anyone. Just a postulation tho.

[–]EddgeLord666 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most based thing I’ve read all day

[–]Man_of_culture_112left-wing male advocate 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

slowly but surely

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