I'm only using my personal experience. But I am an extroverted nerd so I was nerdy but I was also very social and not shy

I feel like my life experiences blow holes in both sides of the debate because when I was at my most blue pill I was arguably at my most mentally healthy and of course I had no success with women outside of attracting one horrible one.

I'm arguably at my worst now with being halfway or drunk living with my grandparents and yet I have had more success now than I did at my mentally best

I was a friend people came to to enter frustrations and I was always the life of the party it had outings planned with my group of friends and this group of friends was mixed with both girls and boys

Both sides of the debate swear that being exactly what I was was supposed to be the key to attracting women and yet as someone who did it I just can't say that's true

Ironically I'm at my absolute worst now in 25 and I am surprised at how much success I'm having just based off of so many metrics.

I have no license or car and I'm a College Dropout and the only thing I have going for me is my art career and that I am conventionally attractive