Red Pillers, what are some flaws of the Red Pill?

tired_hillbilly · 2022-12-16T05:52:21+00:00

So many replies from people with the wrong flair.

Anyways, I hate all the "Enjoy the Decline" shit. The idea that society is permanently, irreparably fucked. This far, I actually agree with. I don't see a good way out of this decadence, on a society-wide level anyways.

But where they lose me is the idea that it is acceptable, and even wise to just say "Fuck everybody else, imma get mine" and basically be as selfish as possible.

Yeah, an unfortunately high percentage of women have awful tendencies, but there ARE good women out there. Instead of contributing to the decline, how about you find one of these good women and save both her and yourself from the god-awful shitty mess we call the dating marketplace?

stick7_ · 2022-12-16T06:36:33+00:00

They chase after hoes and then get surprised/upset when hoes do hoe shit. Which leads them to thinking all women have hoe tendencies.

Have a few friends that could be classified as "red pill" (I'm somewhere in the middle - I do agree with decent amount of red pill notions though), they get so stunned when their club hookup fucks them over. You're not going to find good women in clubs lmao. Bookstores, libraries, volunteering, church are places to meet good women (not a guarantee but more likely). They overlook the calm, book nerd who is a 6-7 because they want to go after the IG baddie. Yet that first one is loyal, caring and smart and the other is a cheater, no values and has no introspectiveness. Biggest mistake of my 17-18 year old days (22 now). The usual excuses are "oh they're not into me" "they don't put out" - yeah, they can sense the fuckboi vibes from you and don't want part in that. I'm glad when a chick only fucks in a relationship - it shows that she isn't about all that bs and has standards. If she puts out for me too soon, she will do that for others 🤷‍♂

permabandandhappy · 2022-12-16T03:40:11+00:00

It fails to acknowledge the importance of genetic looks.

TheScabSlayerTRP · 2022-12-16T08:03:04+00:00

I’ll start since it appears most people don’t actually read the targeted audience question.

The points that are brought up are that, “Red Pill holds this to be an absolute truth…” and “people like this are rare…”

This is one of the major jiving points that most people can not seem to wrap their brains around. The “Rule” or the most common outcome does not become invalid due to “rare” exceptions.

Think of it like this.

Rule: You put your key in your car’s ignition, you turn it, the car starts. This is the rule.

Exception: You put your key in your car’s ignition, you turn it, the car does not turn on.

The purpose of the key being inserted into the ignition and the car turning on is what is supposed to happen. This mundane example of an exception to how the rule is supposed to unfold and yet it doesn’t in “some cases”. (Please don’t sperg out and say oMG hiMs comparing CaRz 2 pEoPLe, this is a FRAMEWORK example)

Now for the more general title question.

Some of the flaws are that, it’s a toolkit that teaches what the tools are, which is a good thing, but it doesn’t teach people how to use the tools efficaciously. The problem lies in the brainlets trying to use a hammer as a saw. From my near decade of understanding the material, utilizing and maximizing it, I’ve seen a drastic onset of autism like downtrend in-fluxing at staggering levels. When people think of RP they think of it in a negative light, because so many mongoloids got a hold of it, spew it around like they have unlocked the holy messiah key to enlightenment, don’t understand it and twist it into what it’s not designed to be. It’s the fact that most of the newer generation is so braindead from the neck up that this has become such a bad rep. They get stuck in anger incel misunderstanding phase that they become bitter, jaded and outright pathetic. One of my goals when chiming in was to help other men. Such as giving data, examples and context to such topics as, why porn is bad for you, how to set goals, understanding that men and women are both human, being the rock for when your family needs you most, etc. unfortunately since the subreddit is now quarantined I can’t even bring up the threads on help.

I hope this helps.

SolidPuzzleheaded984 · 2022-12-16T02:44:35+00:00

That you will be in your prime in 40s bro.

And that young women will want you when you older.

Reality is, is women and men date 1-5 years within their age and that young women are not gonna be listing for you when you hit 30.

VTHokie2020 · 2022-12-16T02:31:30+00:00

But for me, a huge problem is that the Red Pill holds this to be an absolute truth.

The assertion that TRP ideas are universal is definitely one of the problems, I agree. Though, a lot of the more level-headed guys will concede that they talk about statistically significant observations, not ubiquitous explanations.

Another one is the urge to argue topics online and cite a bunch of studies and shit. Just take the principles and apply irl. I'd like to see some more tangible and applicable takes instead of broad ideas from TRP.

Fearless_Trouble_168 · 2022-12-16T07:55:37+00:00

The problem is the weird insistence on strict rules rather than actual human relationships.

Lots of women like to be dominated...in bed. Best of luck thinking you're in charge otherwise.

Every single happy LTR I know is two partners who give and take as best they can. Anything else is a red pill fantasy where MAN RULES WOMAN DEALS.

gymbro718nyc2 · 2022-12-16T12:48:49+00:00

They paint women as the enemy, as the other, as some sort of a threat that they need to pussy foot around. It's a hit like watching a lion in the Sahara. Sure, you want to go and pet it and snuggle with it but you also know it will tear you in to shreds.

That's how RedPill men see women. Secretly they want to snuggle with them and love them, but also expect that women will stop on their nuts for the smallest infraction. In reality, they give women way more power than women posses in actuality.

Doinpromo · 2022-12-16T01:37:08+00:00

Doesn't contemplate the downsides, doesn't encourage prostitution enough (the real redpill) For example, for some guys, raising your wife's boyfriend's kid might really be the only way they're going to ever fuck a nonhooker

Impossible_You_8555 · 2022-12-16T01:58:22+00:00

Not a red piller but a gender traditionalist, yeah these are general statements personally these outliers are not something I think or worry about.

Exceptions don't disprove a general rule, this isn't proof writing.

MouthSandTeethTongue · 2022-12-16T02:22:12+00:00

You conveniently left out Rollo Tomassis work and presence, he at least tries to go beyond podcast drama and doesn't claim to hold absolute truth and delves into new information as it emerges.

My critique would be with the entertainment-oriented RP communities that have managed to muddy the waters with a bunch of personal philosophies, only losely related to RP.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-12-16T02:46:05+00:00

AWALT is the most obvious one. Like even though they're sweeping assumptions, not everyone fits the mold (just more than who would admit it)

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2022-12-16T04:02:57+00:00

They are not traditionalist

Treacle-Flimsy · 2022-12-16T08:34:56+00:00

They insist that everyone could be desirable if they chased money hard enough and hit the gym more often than not.

In reality though, there's only a few jobs that make you stand out from everyone in the sense of income. So, you chasing money might not help, because the amount of jobs that are paying more than six figures is small.

Opening_Pattern_301 · 2022-12-16T13:06:08+00:00

The biggest flaw of the redpill at least in the current times is that it only focuses and adapts itself based on the premise that all women are like that: toxic, manipulative, entitled, a pain in the ass, all the bad things a woman could bring to a man's life, therefore men should adapt themselves to the desires of those women.

Some issues here, all women arent like that, however is understandable why somebody who has grown in an enviorememt withouth the proper guidance might think that, but believing that all women want a toxic guy who treats them poorly, that all women despise you, that they want to take advantage of you etc ironically becomes a self fullfiling prophecy. The second issue is that rather than adapting yourself to the desires and wishes of those women will fuck you up mentally, i was always guy who fancied relationships, when i discovered the redpill after some bad experiences, a few things about it made sense, however the "women love bad boys" trope wasnt that common in where i lived, yet i had hear a few horror stories about it happening, the thing is, i consider myself lucky, because i have never felt attracted to a woman like that, yet i fell for the trap that thats what women truly liked instead of just damaged women, so fast forward a few years and i met a woman i liked so much and she was super interested in me, but i applied the toxic tactics discussed in the redpill out of fear, because i was scared of investing myself emotionally just to be cheated, i was scared of her losing interest, i was scared that she would change me for a bad boy, guess what happened?....nothing, nothing happened except she stopped talking to me, why wouldnt she? A guy she liked a lot acts like a prick towards her and she had enough self respect to not take it, i regret it a lot and thats when i learned once and for all that the redpill wasnt completely right, they are not wrong that putting a toxic bad boy persona will attract women, but it will attract the worst of the worst women, after that, i learned a lot of stuff about party cultures, types of women and overall the actual truth about the situations we see discussed with fear in the redpill that my way of viewing things changed with no way back

Final_Philosopher663 · 2022-12-16T17:00:56+00:00

#1 Critique is they stopped seeing RP as a tool and they view it as an ideology.

He who holds the hammer sees everything as a nail.

A good tool if used incorrectly will give bad results! A good tool if used correctly will give good results.

Apart from that one common thing I see is too much thought too little actions and that leads to a disconnect from reality.

And lastly two good and essential quotes that many forget are these :

You cannot negotiate desire
You should learn about the RP so you will not be angry at women for what they are , you will be angry only for yourself because you failed to noticed what they are.

prizefighterstudent · 2022-12-16T20:32:51+00:00

It oversimplifies shit [like any concept or philosophy tends to do], so it's not a one size fits all. Average guys can't "neg" a girl or use dread to attract her. Vast majority of 30+ year old dudes cannot bag 18-year old hotties on the left. Spinning plates is not a viable strategy for most guys. It's sold as a general principle because humans luv to generalize.

Other than that, it makes people angry, and keeps them that way. TRP doesn't have a safety net, it doesn't have avenues out of its ideas and into something new / productive. Then again, it doesn't necessarily promise that -- this does leave a lot of suffering in its wake, however.

Thinkingard · 2022-12-17T05:07:51+00:00

It's short-term solution that encourages degenerate behavior. I also don't care for the 'just lift bro' stuff repeated endlessly, like it's some new revelation that hasn't been around forever.

CandleLess · 2022-12-20T23:29:30+00:00

I don't love the whole "RP is Amoral thing" which, fair enough, but some people use to justify fucking dudes girlfriends, cheating etc. I get that "if I didn't do it someone else would", but without a moral code what are we doing here?

Title	Red Pillers, what are some flaws of the Red Pill?
Author	LeftWingLich
Upvotes	6
Comments	63
Date	December 16, 2022 1:16 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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He who holds the hammer sees everything as a nail.