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I remember holding this contest. Makes me proud.

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August 20, 2013

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Title	I remember holding this contest. Makes me proud.
Author	notnotnotfred
Upvotes	457
Comments	122
Date	August 20, 2013 2:36 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1kqh1x/i_remember_holding_this_contest_makes_me_proud/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/i-remember-holding-this-contest-makes-me-proud.1165901 https://theredarchive.com/post/1165901

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feminists can't seem to agree what it represents.

That's because they don't all get together and have a meeting, the feminists on reddit are gonna have a different take on things compared to those that go to rallies and those that are 'just feminists' and don't do much about it at all.

most feminist use to describe what they believe because they assume the word represents what they believe.

There's no assuming at all, 'democracy' has had many different iterations, 'Christianity' too, it's not like any one group can claim they're the 'true' feminists.

The symbol represents feminism

Some MRA's on 4chan could just as easily make a symbol of a dick covered in swastikas and claim that's the symbol for men's rights now, you can't take what a single individual created and say that everyone in a group agrees, are all Muslims terrorists? They had a vote on 9/11?

if many feminist disagree with it, maybe they should examine feminism objectively instead of pretending that it's what they want it to be.

Many? They all get together and have a poll?

You're forgetting that for a majority of any group that many people aren't extremists, many feminists, MRA have probably never gone to any sort of rally, they probably just feel like they got hard done by in 1 or 2 situations in their life because of their gender, whilst raging-feminists may go as far as to fuck things up for men, a lot of the 'quieter' feminists just want equality too.

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The post isn't bragging about the egalitarian image of the /r/mensrights logo, it's directly comparing the logo to the 'feminism fist' - the implication being that /r/mensrights is reasonable and egalitarian while by comparison /r/feminism is unreasonable and combative.

There are a lot of legitimate MRAs on this sub who are unimpressed with this subreddit's obsession with bashing feminists, feminism, and women in general. Yes, many feminists are bigots - who cares? Let's spend more time advocating men's rights on its own, instead of trying to tear down feminists all the time!

Oh, and yes I get it. Some feminist groups actively oppose MR initiatives, and belittle MR arguments and opinions. But wasting our time calling them cunts does nothing to improve the MR cause. It only reinforces the popular opinion that MRAs are feminist-bashing women haters. Can we please rise above the pettiness?

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From the main page today:

I Cheated On My Husband To Secure Better Genes For My Children A story about a woman who is a serial cheater, and has concealed from her husband that he is not the father of his children. Nowhere is feminist mentioned in the story.

American women hate the fact that I married a Filipina. Selfpost that basically states that all American women are awful because they want to be like men, whereas Filipina women know their place in a relationship.

Had she been a man, she'd have been arrested LONG ago. Story about a bad lesbian who kept trying to get with a 14 year old and is being sent to prison.

And yes, I understand that all these stories we have about 'women behaving badly' are meant to show either that men can also be victims of women, and that women appear to get treated more leniently by the justice system, but all at their core are trying to put women (in general) in a bad light.

It's the same with posts of quotes from feminists. They say nothing about men's issues at all. All they are saying is "look! Over here! Someone on the internet who calls herself a feminist has said something stupid! Therefore all feminists are stupid!"

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[–]giegerwasright 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's not dance around the issue. All groups of people tend to behave like groups of people and to do that, they share, enable, and encourage certain behavioral trends among one another. This doesn't mean that every single member of that group evidences that behavior, however where you find group members rejecting that behavior you will find those same group members rejecting blind allegiance to that group.

It is really counterproductive to entirely reject sociology, group dynamic, and demographics entirely. It is really counterproductive to pretend that everyone acts like an individual. If everyone acted like an individual, then none of these problems would exist. Gestalt behavior is precisely what causes these problems to develop and remain.

One of the valid points of early feminists was that there were a number of behavior patterns among men that men should be encouraged and enabled to change. Hypermasculinity, excessive competitiveness, co-option over cooperation, reliance on hegemony.. all of these things may have once served a purpose but the 20th/21st century is a good time for them to change. The thing that all feminists seem to leave out is that there are and have been just as many behaviors among women that need to change to accommodate their newfound roles and availability of the diversity of those roles in the 20th/21st century.

As long as we pretend that these group behavioral trends don't exist and refuse to address them as they are without manipulative and deceitful candy coating, those issues will remain. And we will make no headway. What those behaviors are may be up for debate, although I think that the worst of them are quite obvious, but that they exist is quite self evident to anyone willing to observe human behavior with a critical eye.

[–]MakhSC -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You asked me to provide examples of posts on this subreddit which bash women. I provided you examples.

Getting cheated on in marriage is a men's issue, if the article is about how men get cheated on in marriage (there was a great globe and mail post the other day on that subject). Posting articles about a single woman cheating isn't a Men's issue, it's a "this woman is bad" post. It's bashing her.

Being force to pay for children that aren't yours is a men's issue. Posting an article about a woman cheating that makes zero mention about child support does not raise awareness of this issue. It's just bashing her.

Pointing out discrepancies in the justice system is a men's issue. Posting an article about a woman getting arrested for sexual assault that makes no comparisons to the treatment of men for similar crimes does not relate to this issue. It simply bashes the woman.

This is why people think MRAs are women-haters. They are wrong, but our post quality could certainly be better.

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No it's fucking not. When I was sexually assaulted by my ex and she got off the hook despite confessing to it via text message, it wasn't feminism that kept her our of jail, it was ignorant people who either believe men want sex from any source they can find it, don't see how it's anatomically possible, or believe women aren't violent enough to commit sexual offenses.

Men's rights issues are issues about people not recognizing that men have the same rights as women, not because feminists are undermining the fabric of society and implanting ignorance in people. Remember, feminism is about women's rights first, not taking rights from men. Talk to one feminist NOT FROM REDDIT/TUMBLR and you'd know they're literally you but some who thinks for women first and men second, but still thinks about men's rights.

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Although how often feminism gets mentioned here is pretty annoying.

I'm definitely with you on that front. It makes no sense for movement B to be nothing more than a reaction to movement A, because that makes movement B's agenda completely and utterly dependent on movement A. In a lot of ways, it means A actually directs the actions of B, and B is forced to keep up.

That said, it's not fair of us to scapegoat Feminism as being the direct cause of all of society's woes, as it makes us look intensely ignorant, and confuses people into thinking that the MRM is simply Anti-Feminist, instead of being for Men's Rights.

I still believe that OP wasn't posting out of malice, but was more or less giving a small "history lesson", as it were.

This logo compairson does somewhat imply that men's rights is about equality and feminism isn't.

Indeed, it could be interpreted that way. But the post itself draws no conclusions, leaving that up to the audience to do so. So luckily, we're off the hook on that one :P

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So I'm asking you, where do you get off telling everyone how to react on reddit? At best it's fucking annoying at worst it's concern trollism. Anyways I am fairly reasonable but you're getting on my nerves with your unwanted bossiness.

... Okay. Well I'll just have you marked down in RES as "Troll | Accused Me Of Concern Troll"

I can clearly see I made a mistake when I called you reasonable. Yes, I'm Big Brother here to ThoughtCrime you. You caught me. What a joke.

Take your irrational reaction and shove it up your ass - if you want to hate on women, fine, but you lose all legitimacy in my eyes, and the eyes of others here. If you want to FREAK THE HELL OUT when I tell people not to let a known troll troll them because they do it for the lulz, fine, but you lose all legitimacy in my eyes and the eyes of others here.

Have a nice day.

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