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[–]MNCPA 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nothing is her fault.
Everyone else is 'out to get her'
She is always the victim or the hero in everyone of her stories.
She tells you that her mom and mom's mom have diagnosed mental disorders.
She has no female friends.
She always wants to spend alone time with your guy friends (1:1).
She accuses you of cheating or flirting, if you talk to other females (e.g. other moms at soccer practice).
Her reactions are unpredictable (is she going to be mad or happy today?).
Big decisions (e.g. buying a home, marriage, kids, vacations) usually included a veiled threat of divorce. "We're buying this house or I'll divorce you and do it myself."
My fault. I take responsibility for not seeing these red flags.
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[–]Krishna0902 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree..
[–]daedalis2020 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Definitely family issues, broken home and she was estranged from even her siblings. I really believe she doesn’t know how to have a healthy relationship.
Any type of anger/emotional abuse signs. I’ve learned there are healthy and unhealthy expressions of anger.
I will never, ever, date someone without a career again. Being the breadwinner is inherently inequitable and I’m personally not interested in having an extra child financially.
[–]pharmd718 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. Biological father was not in the picture, mom divorced several times and takes commitment to marriage lightly.
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[–]cartmancakes 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Single and bad childhood probably means not LTR material
Ah, this. I wondered why my ex gf was never married at the age of 40. No kids, despite saying she wanted one. That woman had some anger problems, especially first thing in the morning. Also major trust issues. She eventually broke up with me because my female friend asked me if I wanted to rent a room from her (she needed financial help) and I called my gf to discuss it. She was mad I didn't know her well enough to decide without discussing. Which I did, but I felt it was worth talking about.
Who the fuck breaks up with someone because they want to talk about something?
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[–]cartmancakes 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
We had once a month blowouts. First week of the month, 3 times out of 4, we'd have a weird fight that was somehow always my fault. I don't think our communication was the greatest.
In the morning, she was a raging bitch. I'm not just being snarky calling her that, she called herself that. She would tell me to hit her with a pillow and tell her to knock it off, which I was not comfortable with. To be honest, the morning shitshow almost convinced me to break it off with her the first time I saw it.
Edit: our first fight was about something I posed on facebook, so... kinda unreasonable, in my opinion.
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[–]cartmancakes 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was always confused as to how the conversation went so bad so quickly. I would apologize for offending her, but I tried not to take any blame.
[–]Fd2k1 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Man this is my situation almost exactly. We were way too young, and she came in with serious trauma from the past. She dropped the d-bomb on me out of no where (standard “we had issues but nothing divorce worthy”). She pulled back after a rough patch while she was alone over a weekend and said we should work on it. She’s in counseling and her counselor has told her she has zero comprehension of true love and major issues with relationships. What the f*ck was the last 10 years then? I mean she’s always had trouble expressing emotion and tends to withdraw when things get deep, but man we’ve worked well together and had a great life. Now she “loves me but isn’t IN love with me”, and is having some form of midlife crisis-feels like she should just go move to a cabin in the woods alone. Except she has kids? Diagnosed as some version of an attachment disorder. Now couples therapy just revolves around her saying if she does finally learn “how to love and feel again”, she may not love ME so what’s the point? Just keeping it positive and happy around the house for the kids. Gonna give it 6 months, work on myself, enjoy my time with the kids, then re-evaluate.
Been a rough road man. Childhood baggage will always rear it’s ugly head at some point. Always just saw her as strong as hell and able to overcome all of it. Big reason why I married her.
[–]SzDiverge 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
or example: Single and bad childhood probably means not LTR material.
It is completely unfair to judge someone based on their childhood. You need to evaluate who they became as a result of that upbringing.
I had what some people would say is a bad childhood in terms of parental relationships. My parents divorced when I was an infant and my mother remarried 4 times. Every husband was an abuser except for my dad. So, I've seen a lot of shit. Some kids will grow up and be like the situation they grew up in, and others will learn and NOT be like that. For me, it taught me how to not be and how to handle these situations differently and it also helped me become the compassionate and caring person I am today.
I have a close friend who had an OK childhood by all accounts, but had a very difficult first marriage, that left her broke and barely able to survive. She spent a while struggling to keep the lights on, and often times couldn't. She didn't fold though. She fought and ended up with a couple degrees, a master's degree and several awesome certifications.
To me, overcoming a bad childhood and other bad situations tells more about someone than that they had a good stable life prior to meeting them. It's how they deal with the adversity.
having said that.. my soon to be ex wife had issues growing up and did NOT deal with them and became someone with a horrible victim mentality. I wish I had paid attention to how she never overcame her issues.
[–]Nitrothacat 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They usually are defensive and play the victim to get out of having to handle their shit.
Very true.
[–]kostaki6515 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Same here. My homelife was very chaotic ( my dad had drug issues, alcohol issues, and could be abusive) but it served as a blueprint of what not to do. This didn’t stop my ex wife from using it as ammunition (you are just like him, you don’t know how to treat women, etc). It took me forever to realize this was just a tactic to make me doubt myself, and an option she could use to shut down any disagreement or argument when I didn’t bow to her demands.
[–]MRSAfulFate 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
1 - She was always right, no matter how wrong she was. Impossible to reason or solve problems with people like this.
2 - All her ex’s were “evil” and her previous serious relationships had each ended with spectacular drama. I was too dumb to see I was next up on the “evil” list.
3 - Manipulative behavior and lying. Then acting like I was crazy or being insulting if I protested.
4 - She slowly maneuvered to isolate me from family and friends.
5 - Volatile, unpredictable behavior.
[–]MartyMcFly7 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If I had to do it all over again, I'd do everything the same... except for getting that stupid piece of paper. That legally binding contract is now going to cost me a ton of money. It's also made it far more complicated to walk away. Never again.
[–]ViscidPlague78 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh boy. Also not divorced but bellying up to it. Been planning certain things for years to arrive at a point which I think is coming soon.
Anyway, here's some of the ones I passed over thinking she'll change. Stop laughing.
That's just the appetizer course that I got prior to marrying her. All these things would cause us to end up in marriage counseling about 12 years ago where she tried to make changes, but people don't change. They just repress their inner being for a period of time before it all returns slowly.
[–]ViscidPlague78 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh I was the one who needed to be convinced to do counseling. She asked me to go. I'll never do it again as it's a waste.
Literally if there were 10 points of contention in our marriage the counselor who was a woman I might add, said 'uh you need to listen to him because he's right you can't be that way' on 8/10 of them.
She made changes but old habits crept in and new ones emerged that I just cannot tolerate.
[–]Ijustleftmyhusband 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
These are mine, too!
•. preferred to spend time with his family over wife and kids •. everything had to be run through his family for his approval (he was 29 when we got married) •. refused to hang out with my family, only his •. no boundaries for any of his family members
Why the hell get married if your priorities are not towards the family you created.
Edit: bad formatting due to being on cell phone
[–]kostaki6515 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
1) Finding excuses to not be around my friends and family. At first she presented it as nerves, but after we were married she found every perceived slight as a reason to hold a grudge and not go around them.
2) Intimacy issues. Hot and heavy while dating, but once we were engaged/married and especially after the honeymoon phase was over we were down to a couple times a year, with excuses that were cycled in and out so there was always a fresh reason.
3) Unwilling to see any other person’s point of view and taking the role of the victim in any disagreement, even when she was the aggressor.
4) Constantly blaming others for failures/situations, with no accountability.
[–]xmandaniels 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Had #2, 3 and 4. And I'll add:
[–]Udjebfk 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Irrational outbursts, emotional immaturity, always playing the victim. I just ignored those flags constantly. Even though my life is hell right now because of it, I do not regret ignoring those flags because of the 3 amazing children she gave me. I love them so much the pain is worth it.
[–]Udjebfk 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The outbursts and irrational behaviour started very early on. I knew she had issues amd she even warned me of them. I guess I suffer from caretaker syndrome. I believed that with enough love, she could get better. And she did for a while. But after our twins were born, she had postpartum depression and my business failed and it all went to shit from there.
[–]thefudmaster 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
All of these are good and valid red flags to watch out for. Marriage, as a concept, has never been something I understand. Even in nature, animals aren’t monogamous.
I’m not bashing males or females but the ideals of marriage are a raw deal from the beginning. Also, I’ve never met a happily married man...ever.
[–]LandOnMyFeet 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Watch how she treats others especially waiters and waitresses. Early in our marriage this nasty ugly behavior was always directed at others ad marriage carried on the anger, criticism, judgements and belittling slowly shifted toward me. Like the frog in the pot scenario. Didn’t know I was cooking until it’s too late.
[–]stent00 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
right on! im never getting married again... too much to lose... I already lose half my pay won't volunteer for more
[–]oneknocka 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
nothing.
I'm almost 50 and I just can't see the upside, or at least enough to mitigate the risk.
[–]oneknocka 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
she was on anti-depressants when we first started dating.
I had a friend she hated because he would travel with the boyfriend of her friend where this boyfriend would rendezvous with his old girlfriend. So, she didn't like my friend but did like the boyfriend that cheated.
Had her brothers kick me out the house once after an argument where I acquiesced. To be fair, I didn't let them intimidate me, but after we all realized there was nothing, I asked if she still wanted me to leave and she said yes.
Started dating when she was still in college. When she had to study, it was absolute silence, no touching, talking, nothing. A year or two later when I took a class, she got mad that I wasn't giving her enough attention. I was taking a thermodynamics class. It required a lot of studying and I was commuting over an hour for the class.
Yeah, I'm gonna stop here.
[–]PositivityKnight 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
bookmarking this post FR it's a good one.
[–]flourishnone 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She was breathing.
[–]DJWG 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This...is so true.😂😂😂
[–]Enlightened-Soul 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I love this question because we all here have likely pondered it heavily. 1. No one in several generations of my family ever divorced. Her parents and grandparents have a total of 8 divorces between them. 2. She isolated me from my friends. Didn’t allow me to see them unless she was present. 3. she gave me a curfew, yet abided by none herself 4. She’s justify spending hundreds of dollars a month on nonsense, but if I bought a beer I was putting us at risk for financial disaster 5. The man should always and exclusively take care of the finances 6. Her family hates me because she moved away to be with me 7. Towards the end she started working hard on her appearance and then left me for her coworker lol
I remember 3 times in my life where I wanted to seriously leave her, but she convinced me I was nothing without her.
Been 4-5 months now, I’m in a better job bankrolling, sleeping with people I’m insanely attracted to, in the best shape I’ve been in in my entire adult life, and thriving without her.
[–]kostaki6515 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Living well is the best revenge. Congrats on pulling an andy dufresne and making it out to the other side.
[–]vector5633 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
You can't prevent it. It's a fact of life so don't try it. It takes two to tango. You can't be the only one putting 100% in while your partner is only putting 50% Shit is NOT going to work. I know....I served my cunt narcissistic wife at the beginning of 2020. I was putting in 100% and she was not even doing 50% She put all her focus on my two kids, 5 and 7. Also her work came before me. So it killed the marriage. I gave up!
She also turned my kids against me. Now they are going to need therapy. Her mother was divorced 4x. She had 4 different step-fathers. One beat her a few times from what I understand.
Never going to marry again! Fuck that!!!!
I have said this before. It should be mandatory that a divorce course should be taken before marriage. This way, us men could see what we are in for when it comes to divorce. In other words, bend over and spread them!
[–]petergriffenthe6th 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A biological clock ticking in the background.
[–]vector5633 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's what you call "Baby Rabies"
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