Florida Get's Rid of Lifetime Alimony

jimsmythee · 2023-07-07T14:37:51+00:00

The approval drew an outcry from members of the “First Wives Advocacy Group,” a coalition of mostly older women who receive permanent alimony and who assert that their lives will be upended without the payments.

the First Wives Advocacy Group. Basically saying, "We want your money!"

AudreyTooTwo · 2023-07-07T17:10:42+00:00

Whenever there is divorce-related news, it's always interesting to go see the women's perspective. Over on the 2X subreddit last night, the girls were chatting about this law.

Many of the comments focused on some Florida woman Republican voter who said the law will hurt her. And, of course, there's a pile-on of comments about how she voted for DeSantis and now she gets what she deserves. Wow, way to support a sister.

It's a little disappointing to see this law politicized so quickly. It's not as if Family Law is a fair and functional enterprise when Democrats are in charge. And personally, I couldn't give a shit if my judge or the opposing lawyer was a Republican or not. If someone pops you a new asshole in your forehead and takes all your money, do you really care if they voted for DeSantis, or Trump, or Hillary? BTW, Bill Clinton tweaked the child support laws pretty hard; no doubt hurting some of his supporters, but no one ridiculed them.

Anyway, can I please vent for a moment? This news has brought up the subject of alimony in general. And I see the same, tried, stupid arguments rolled-out, again and again.

"She sacrificed her career." Give me a break. It's not like your typical SAHM has an Ivy League law degree and was offered a senior position with Bank of America when she quit to be a SAHM. When the average SAHM became a SAHM, she was probably unemployed, working hourly-waged retail, or Starbucks, or whatever. If she had a degree, it was probably something worthless like art history. Sure, there are a few exceptions, but generally, WHAT CAREER did she sacrifice?

"She stayed home to raise your kids so you could work." Okay, how many young women, freshly-married, say to their husbands: "I want you to stay home and raise the kids. I'll go out and work 60 hours a week to pay the bills and come home too exhausted to enjoy any quality time with the kids." C'mon, you know the answer. The point: She got the job she wanted. She preferred to be a SAHM. Why does someone get financial compensation for getting the job they wanted?

"She needs alimony because she has no skills after 30 years as a SAHM." Sorry, it doesn't take 30 years to raise kids. It just doesn't. Certainly by high school, most kids are independent, leaving mom available to do other things. I was raised by a single mom. When my sister and I were in high school, my mom worked full-time and attended college at night, eventually earning a bachelor's degree and getting a promotion. She did that as a single mom. So don't tell me a married woman can't do it.

"She deserves alimony when he runs off with his secretary." Holy Shit, is this the 1950s? Why does that cliché persist? Why is it always the man who cheats in these hypotheticals? In fact, why not consider the possibility his wife has become a sexless, insufferable bitch. That seems much more likely to me.

"Women won't want to get married anymore." Fine. Let's burn the whole thing down. Fewer marriages mean fewer men getting screwed in court. Society is coming apart like a cheap suit anyway. As long as it is, might as well protect yourself.

rsmiley77 · 2023-07-07T13:52:50+00:00

Not sure why I put an apostrophe in there.

pk2at · 2023-07-07T15:14:37+00:00

Its surprising what an election will make them do and its good to know there are politicians who want 'male votes'

Gattsama · 2023-07-07T16:31:45+00:00

The article is a good read. They keep saying the changes are NOT retroactive. Yet women keep saying they are affairs they will get taken to court and their agreement modified. They also say this is the end of everything for them.

Every situation is different. But sounds like many haven't worked a day in their life or tried to seek meaningful income 🤔

They also say that this is a huge blow to marriage??? How does divorce reform hurt marriage 🙃

ijustdontcare74 · 2023-07-07T15:56:44+00:00

Hopefully the first domino to fall in the total abolition of alimony. Do I think that will happen?…no, however the elimination of lifetime is a real win for men.

cesar_cesar_ · 2023-07-07T18:20:49+00:00

Changes are not retroactive?, how fair is that for those paying 20 years and continue paying into our retirement? Please , can some explain?

Lumptbuttcat · 2023-07-07T18:49:47+00:00

I think the most significant change is removing the requirement to “maintain the quality of life established through the marriage”. I believe the new language is “reasonable needs”. I think this is bigger than the whole discussion on lifetime alimony / duration.

Think about maintaining quality of life- vacations, club & gym memberships, luxury cars, boats, expensive restaurants, etc. Those are all “in play” when considering quality of life. Absolutely none of those are reasonable needs.

Blicero1 · 2023-07-07T18:02:32+00:00

Mixed feelings about this. Honestly it removes a possible tool in negotiations; house for lifetime alimony for instance. These are all legal agreements at the end of the day, that both sides had a hand in. Very possible the women in some cases were giving up substantial assets like a share in a business.

henrycatalina · 2023-07-08T11:13:20+00:00

Wife becomes an insufferable bitch

Regardless of why, this is what I observe is the number one reason marriages end. The wife might have legitimate reasons such as alcoholism, a sexless marriage (husband), etc.

Or, more likely, it is disappointment and boredom because life isn't a guarantee. Much of life is disappointing and unpredicatable.

It's the "I could have done better" thinking that may be natural but somehow has become humorous instead of contemptuous.

Then there is the "high value man" who gets cut down to size every time he enters the home.

I've seen wives drive husbands to find a pleasant woman as the wife decides he gets too much respect at work. After a while, he'd rather be at work.

Questions older wives: were all that criticism and contempt the alimony payment you chose? Was that vengeance the payment you chose? Was it your fault for letting immature emotions rule your life? Was withholding sex and affection the equitable payment you thought was justified?

silmarp · 2023-07-08T14:01:25+00:00

The rationale is non surprisingly. Stupid.

The so-called party of ‘family values’ has just contributed to erosion of the institution of marriage in Florida,”

Yeah. What family? The one you left so you can live freely without ever working again?

These people. I want their tears in a bottle.

Title	Florida Get's Rid of Lifetime Alimony
Author	rsmiley77
Upvotes	59
Comments	35
Date	July 7, 2023 1:50 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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