Feminists are crying again... this time about women being tried for murder in England for killing their newborns.

Spins13 · 2023-10-01T18:41:33+00:00

What the hell ?

How are these guys excusing murder ?

Aluto7 · 2023-10-01T19:30:12+00:00

It's not hyperbole to say feminists want women to be able to commit murder with impunity, because it's the truth.

ACatNamedBeanie · 2023-10-01T18:43:25+00:00

“Dr Emma Milne, an associate professor in criminal law and criminal justice at Durham University, found that women who are accused of killing a newborn are incredibly vulnerable and experience pregnancy as a moment of crisis.”

this basically just says, “she just wasn’t feeling like herself, she wouldn’t have done this if she was in a good headspace.” okay, sure. but isn’t that a reasonable excuse for all other kinds of murder now? you could very well say they weren’t in a good headspace and that they were in a crisis. but they still go to jail for it! if you kill another human being, you go to jail. that’s just how it works. if you kill a baby, you should go to jail. the baby is still absolutely a human..my question, what happens if a man does this? will he be awarded the same justification in his behaviour?

63daddy · 2023-10-01T18:52:46+00:00

One again we hear the women are not responsible for their actions / women dint have agency argument.

Not only is this unequal and unjust, it’s really condescending to women to claim they are so lacking in control they can’t even stop themselves from killing their own children.

Feminists should be careful with this argument. If they are going to argue women have an uncontrollable urge to murder their own babies, the logical conclusion could be they shouldn’t be left alone with their babies and should never be awarded custody.

KrazyJazz · 2023-10-01T18:47:00+00:00

Here's an idea: Why don't we allow women to kill their children anytime they want after birth without consequences? Even after 10, 15 years? Wouldn't it be great?

Better now: Why not throwing THE FATHERS in jail to do the time? They're men after all and responsible for everything, right?

Edit: Article written of course by a hardcore feminist who cites the research work of another hardcore feminist.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2023-10-01T20:28:08+00:00

Men who kill their kids or partners are deeply unwell, why are we trying them for murder? /s

DamnedVirus · 2023-10-01T19:25:18+00:00

I've got my newborn daughter asleep next to me at the moment. I had to stop reading that article a few paragraphs in.

Infanticide is inexcusable

matrixislife · 2023-10-01T20:34:56+00:00

Teach feminists to stop killing their babies.

A-Friendly-Sociopath · 2023-10-01T18:50:47+00:00

A lot of women are incapable of holding themselves and others accountable in the same way men do. It boils down to a fundamental difference in perception born from a combination of higher empathy and ingroup bias.

Men are not extended this same level of empathy due to the latter trait. We are bad because we are bad and because empathizing with men would betray women. Women, however, are bad because bad things happened to them at the hands of men, tracing back eons to the very first time a man did something bad to a woman.

Hubris1998 · 2023-10-01T19:09:07+00:00

Who even reads this shite? We should just ban all opinion pieces. These smug """"journalists"""" are completely divorced from reality. Their articles have no other purpose than to spread hate and misinformation.

MembershipWooden6160 · 2023-10-01T20:00:54+00:00

We basically always had women killing their newborns and not serving any penalty, it's just that society always turned the other way. This is the case even today and I'll mention the most usual cases that get caught in our day and age.

Just imagine how stupid you need to be to buy into what Emma Milne speaks when you see women who decide to abort their newborn after legally allowed limit, yet if they don't get an excuse in front of medical council (not influential enough to get it at i.e. 20 weeks... it's not just about anomalies, let's not kid ourselves, there's lots of corruption) this is what happen:

They stop going to planned appointments to monitor pregnancy
They monitor pregnancy themselves and even plan vacation or other ways to have birth at home or in other placecs, unobstructed
They give birth, then they put the newborn in a blanket and a plastic bag, either killing the child or letting it starve or freeze out of cold
They dispose the child, at a given occurrence

You will generally see the same scenario played out when they get caught for this - they go to hospital to treat the serious bleeding and health issue they experience, usually after days or even a full week after pregnancy. Doctors then call the police upon women repeatedly lying and eventually the police may pick up on the details. You can't fool a doctor, it's easy for medical staff to figure out what happened, but the crime investigation is not upon them. A child may already be dead at this point, or experiencing hypothermia if they didn't strangle the newborn outright. Sometimes the child is already buried or envelope in plastic bags and blankets, then thrown into the trash. In either case, even if police picks up on details, we see the same excuse that the child was born dead - a lie that can be proven wrong easily if someone really cared.

Anyways, all of this is justified by postpartum insanity or depression. It's just a society's way to not prosecute it for what it is and if any sentence is given, it's usually a suspended prison sentence or community service. If someone really cared, they'd connect the dots and figure out that these women usually stopped going to OB/GYN for months before childbirth, that they planned all the details and executed it, yet what really f*cked them up is their own fear that they are part of those 2% (or they actually were) who deliver the baby via natural birth and the bleeding just can't stop normally, causing or bringing potential for serious health implications unless treated by a trained physician.

By mere fact that this happens to only 2% of these cases, you can safely multiply the number of cases by 50x, even if all such cases are discovered. This hints some inconvenient truths:

Just how rampant such a vile act is
Society doesn't want to tackle the status quo and has always basically tolerated it
Making it illegal doesn't make the difference and neither would if you start convicting these women to lifetime prison sentences

This article is, in fact, involving a rather long penalty for these acts, unlike common way of dealing with these things. In fact, what makes it even stranger about the length of a penalty is that it involves a minor who did it, so I'm more inclined to believe that this won't stand after court appeal or that her case was deliberately chosen to be "dealt harsher" in order to invoke a certain political action in the future.

It's also important to NOT absolve feminism from full responsibility of this discourse. Articles like these (as well as sentences) are the standard, not an exception:

https://theconversation.com/courts-must-stop-judging-women-who-kill-their-babies-as-morally-good-or-bad-57829

Haki_User · 2023-10-01T20:45:40+00:00

Isn't killing babies and children considered to be the ultimate crime?
Don't we hear on the news everyday that somewhere in the world: "Amongst 20 people dead, there were 2 WOMEN!!!!! and 1 CHILD". As if the other 17 who are men are just some fucking statistics and they deserved to die anyway because they're guilty of being men?

Life in prison is a kind punishment for this shit.

mr_ogyny · 2023-10-01T21:00:01+00:00

Milne is concerned that the 1938 Infanticide Act, a homicide offence which provides such women with a partial defence for the murder or manslaughter of a biological child aged under a year, is being swept aside. For the last 50 years, no woman has been imprisoned following a conviction of infanticide, with many receiving psychiatric support.

Suddenly baby killers aren't so bad when it's a woman killing them.

Men who kill aren't right in the head either but it's still no excuse.

Ronniebbb · 2023-10-01T20:07:58+00:00

I mean I'm upset over that but I think for a different reason. I'm upset any man or woman could kill a baby ever. It's unthinkable and unspeakable to me. And unless it's a pure horrific accident (trip and fall type of deal) life in prison

plumberack · 2023-10-01T22:01:02+00:00

In-group bias sees no morality. This is so far the most destructive trait I have seen. Empathy for the bad just because of the gender, like what happened to your free will?

Futureman999 · 2023-10-02T02:30:18+00:00

What would they say if you said, "Men who sexually assault women are deeply unwell, so why are they being tried for rape?"

How exactly do they know the exact mental state of anyone who commits a violent crime? Oh, they don't. It's a woman so they're desperate to give her a pass

TheCloudFestival · 2023-10-01T19:39:46+00:00

I mean, I'm not trying to be funny, but why don't we talk about the 'headspace' these women were in when they had unprotected sex? It's not like any of them had a Divine Conception or something. What exactly did they think was going to happen?

McFeely_Smackup · 2023-10-02T03:58:14+00:00

Women who kill their newborns are deeply unwell, so why are they being tried for murder?

Because it's murder you fucking waterhead.

OzoneLaters · 2023-10-01T19:23:36+00:00

Late late term abortion.

Post-birth abortion will become the new ground that feminists will fight tooth and nail for.

Great look.

walterwallcarpet · 2023-10-02T05:50:34+00:00

In England, infanticide was defined as the killing of a child under one year of age by its mother. The purpose of this particular law was explicitly to facilitate mitigation for mothers for killing their infant children, infanticide being regarded as a lesser offence than murder or manslaughter. Such mitigation, or the crime of infanticide itself, was not available for men.

heeroena · 2023-10-02T03:02:28+00:00

Wonder if the same would apply to fathers?

thegilfking · 2023-10-02T03:54:47+00:00

Pro Life women: It’s a man’s fault for not protecting his child.

Pro Choice women: It’s a man’s fault for not getting rid of the baby.

Men: 😶

Earth-lover93 · 2023-10-01T20:11:26+00:00

I don’t trust the guardian for enything

IncredibleMrO · 2023-10-02T09:21:21+00:00

Western females will never cease to amaze us🤡

neighborhoodpainter · 2023-10-02T13:14:59+00:00

I wish I didn't search the headline on Twitter because.....

"Paris Mayo was a child (15 at the time).
Adult men who kill their wives are seen as vulnerable people who need our support and lenient convictions.
A child in a horrendous situation is a ‘brutal calculating’ person that needs to feel the full force of the law.
And they call it justice."

Feminists truly live in an alternate reality where they think men killing their wives are given lenient convictions and are seen as vulnerable people in society......

No_Cardiologist887 · 2023-10-03T23:13:39+00:00

Omg..... she deserves the electric chair. I'm a 47 year old woman by the way.

Edit: Nope. Life without parol. Let the lifers take care of that problem.

Euphoric-Row-5346 · 2023-10-01T22:56:36+00:00

Come to think of that, wasn't the "right-wing pushback" against the Suffregette movement correct? I mean, see what's happening nowadays.

SculptingMyMind · 2023-10-02T09:05:26+00:00

This absolutely horrifying and inexcusable. No human should be morally permitted to kill an infant. It’s horrifying. Why can’t we just make it easier to avoid this circumstance in the first place?

draymorgan · 2023-10-02T17:55:10+00:00

This is a sub about men’s rights, not to drag women

TheDwiin · 2023-10-02T04:31:22+00:00

I'm gonna get down voted for this, but I disagree with the 12 year sentence. She was 15 when the crime was committed, I don't think any child under 16 should receive more than 5 years unless they committed premeditated murder or mass murder.

Also, I believe that crimes that call into question the accused's mental health should have a psych eval before sentencing and after the sentence is served to make sure the reformed can enter society.

RepeatMyNameBro · 2023-10-02T12:39:49+00:00

That Article and the woman that wrote it is (NUTS) she should be place in a mental asylum hersel flr writing such thing. Defending women who be crushing babies heads and stabbing them to death.

SculptingMyMind · 2023-10-02T09:09:55+00:00

Ok I just read the article and sure it’s written from a feminist point of view but I’m not really seeing anyone excusing murdering an infant here, as people in the comments are discussing. Why is this article so wrong? (Genuine question, I don’t have much perspective on these kinds of issues).

Huffers1010 · 2023-10-02T00:18:31+00:00

It's worth saying that this kid's situation sounds completely horrendous. I don't particularly want to spend my thoughts grading deaths as more or less severe, but the justice system more or less has to do that when it chooses what crimes to charge people with, and judges do that when they sentence people, and I don't think most people would disagree that there's a hell of a lot of mitigating factors here.

I could go on like that all night and people would still accuse me of not caring, so let it be clear: I care. There is nothing good in this case and it's tremendously disquieting that this unfortunate girl would feel so unable to seek help that this is the outcome. The article is absolutely right to ask questions about where the social care provision was. Pregnancy is not generally that easy to hide. Someone should have noticed. If she'd vanished from school it ought to have been followed up. Usually it would be. I want to know what the hell happened but the article skims the hard facts.

The thing is, the pleading here is that this girl should have been using the insanity defence. That's potentially valid in UK law and it is not necessarily unreasonable, depending on the specifics. People have been driven into a serious mental health episode by less pressure than she was probably under, and what's more, this is absolutely a situation where it matters how much stress she felt, as opposed to how much danger she was objectively in. Generally mental health conditions are not a defence in a UK court but if they were so severe you were legally insane at the time, that might be.

Again, the article is heavy on emotional baggage and light on factual detail, but it doesn't seem that an insanity defence was actually explored in court, or if it was, it certainly wasn't successful. My layman's interpretation is that she would have had to have been so disturbed as to not understand that killing is wrong, but simultaneously able to understand the likely consequences of having this baby, which is a stretch.

In the end my conclusion is that this whole situation is appalling and a lot of people who should have been there probably have questions to answer, but in the end, killing is generally our greatest taboo, and no matter who kills who, or why, it is never justified. No matter how disturbed the poor girl was, short of legal insanity, she absolutely had options which did not involve killing her baby, and she should have exercised one of them. You don't have to be very smart of or very sound mind to know that and that, in the end, was the conclusion of the court. I think you'd have had to have known a huge amount about it to second guess that decision. It's all a huge tragedy.

obi_wan_sosig · 2023-10-01T19:25:11+00:00

I'm sorry what

(Nevermind me trying to figure put what the fuck is going on)

No_Cardiologist887 · 2023-10-03T23:14:51+00:00

Wait. Which woman??? The nurse young nurse in the, UK?

Edit: ok i see who it's about now. That girl needs to be in prison FOR LIFE. The electric chair would be nice, but the other inmates will terrorize her and constantly remind her why. If not off her. I've known many women that's done that because they are serving long sentences or life. They don't care. Just like men when it comes to rapists and baby killers.

Title	Feminists are crying again... this time about women being tried for murder in England for killing their newborns.
Author	RatDontPanic
Upvotes	337
Comments	110
Date	October 1, 2023 6:21 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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