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Boys can be all these things, too

September 10, 2022
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Title Boys can be all these things, too
Author RatDontPanic
Upvotes 1871
Comments 201
Date September 10, 2022 6:30 AM UTC (4 months ago)
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[–]MadMike1216 356 points357 points  (59 children) | Copy Link

Boys can also be courageous, steadfast, dependable, morally powerful, compassionate, and inspiring. Let's use both sides of the coin. That's how you get men that are masculine without the toxicity. Too many people have forgotten that.

[–]Big_Chocolate_420 129 points130 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

and boys are confused

because everything they hear are they can't be anything from the above or yours

from feminists they hear they can't be what you said. from women what was in the post.

from red or black pilled man and women hater they hear from what was in the post is wrong.

but because the fathers, grandfathers, male teachers and male role models aren't in the picture (thanks feminism) to few men are able to teach and raise our boys properly

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 21 points22 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Woah… red/black pilled man here. Why would anyone disagree with this?

Though I understand it, it still blows my mind that this would have to be said. Look around. There is evidence of every single attribute among all kinds of men around us.

No, the problem is listening to and giving a fuck about the voices that DO say such things (instead of ignoring them or advising them to get fucked).

[–]ratione_materiae 6 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Woah… red/black pilled man here. Why would anyone disagree with this?

If you have to ask, then you’re blue pilled, or have an extremely generous interpretation of the word “can” wrt to the intended audience. It’s written to tell boys that they can be these things. Anyone who’s spent a modicum of time interacting with women in real life knows that actually showing insecurity or weakness has severe consequences. It might not be the way things should be, but it’s the way things are.

[–]InspectionConstant65 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What is all this pill stuff can you explain

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Been married twice with countless girlfriends before I hit 30 or even 40. I’m not your basement dweller.

You didn’t answer my question, really. The only voices shitting on boys are women (largely) or weaklings under their collective spell. Men DO everything that is done on this earth. From the building you live in to the freedoms you enjoy. Men.

One must be blind to not see this.

[–]Adventurous-Shake140 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

also losing balance. We are man. We must learn towards our masculine side to progress in life, staying in touch with our emotions is central in today's society but too many people dont develop their masculinity due to the world around them

[–]AyrJordann 5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

When I was a kid I was bullied by a group of boys for not being very tough. I was more of an introverted reader. I just wish feminism didn't make all those bullies pick on me.

[–]Big_Chocolate_420 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

when I was a kid I was bullied by girls I couldn't do anything about them because the female teachers allowed it (girls are a protected group)

I was also bullied by a bunch of boys who picked the weak or wanted to impress the girls

I also had a teacher who bullied me. my parents intervened and she lost her spot as homeroom teacher. the teachers on this school pushed the girls into better high schools with recommendations but not the boys

bullying between pupils has not much to do with feminism but the missing consequences for girls and the harder consequences for boys can

[–]I_DontRead_Replies 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe it. Homeschool your sons if you can, female teachers despise them.

[–]AnonContribrutor 16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand the connection here; why is feminimism making boys pick on you for not being tough?

[–]bottleblank 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd point out that even if feminism isn't the cause of bullying, it seems these factors are vastly under-recognised as things which shape men's behaviour.

We're so focussed on women being victims, and what women need to be protected from, and what we need to do to help women. We're so sure that men are tough brutish animals that can't ever be hurt. But those of us who did grow up sensitive and bullied, we're not recognised as existing at all, we just keep hearing that more men should be like we are or were, back when we got bullied, yet we keep being ignored or told that we're lying about who we are.

We hear all this "men must be better, men must be in touch with their emotions, men need to talk more" and so on - some of us were that, as children, and got it beaten out of us, or had to essentially go inside ourselves because nobody else cared. So how does it sound to hear that this is what we should be? Disingenuous. Two-faced. Lies.

Because we were all of those things, 5, 10, 20, 40 years ago, and it didn't seem to get us anything but grief or being socially unpersoned. Which suggests that what we're being told we should be is likely to make men more vulnerable for no actual gain. As boys we were taken advantage of, made fun of, insulted, abused, beaten, by boys and girls. I know, I was there, I experienced it first hand. We must be aggressive to succeed, or indeed to survive, or else we live lives of solitude and pain.

Although I dislike those who are "alpha males" and aggressive with it, and think those of us less aggressive would benefit from less of that happening, I find it very difficult to believe that these demands on what men should be, or how we should behave, are actually going to help us (or women, for that matter, if we're still rejected as being "too weak"). Those aggressive men and manipulative women will still exist, they'll just have more soft targets to attack, and those of us being soft men will just continue to experience being abused.

[–]TH3BUDDHA 30 points31 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

masculine without the toxicity

Stop giving validation to the term "toxic masculinity."

[–]narfywoogles 12 points13 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Especially when it’s really toxic femininity. Men not being allowed to show emotions is enforced by women, not other men.

[–]DarkSoulCarlos 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

How can you determine who it's enforced by?

[–]narfywoogles 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Men learn not to share their emotions by women who abandon them for doing it or back stab them with them when they get mad.

[–]MadMike1216 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Totally reasonable description of a subset of men, just as toxic femininity is an accurate description for a subset of women. Don't get hung up on the terms. Look at what they are referring to. There is also toxic leadership, again, referring to a subset of bosses/employers that are awful. The terms are just signposts, not the actual thing.

[–]TH3BUDDHA 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

just as toxic femininity is an accurate description for a subset of women.

So, toxicity has absolutely no relationship to gender at all. There is no "toxic femininity" or "toxic masculinity." There are just toxic humans. Anything else is just sexist bullshit.

[–]noonespecial_2022 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course they can, everyone does - I love the poster. I think if we, as people aware of this/open to change in general mindset will keep introducing this in everyday life, we can make a real difference. I'm a woman (29), and I've learnt those insides through my husband's experiences. This inspired me to make others not only aware of men's feelings, but also obstacles they have to overcome to be real.

There's plenty of hatred and toxicity on both sides because of some instances of certain behaviours thought to be common for men and women. It's been like this for ages, and I wish we could live in friendship.

I know men who are highly supportive and wonderful when it comes to womens' rights/feelings, and I think there should be more women supporting guys as well.

So please, don't think all women are insensitive when it comes to mens' rights - you may see some hatred, mainly online, perhaps in real life as well, but I can assure you it's not all true.

[–]nyarlathotep999 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, even aggression is not inherently bad. Anything a person does and any attitude or thought one has should be tempered with wisdom. It is knowing what is appropriate for a given situation.

[–]reverbiscrap 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I do not believe your lies, nyarlathotep! You will lead me to madness and destruction!

[–]nyarlathotep999 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol only if you get in my way. ;)

[–]reverbiscrap 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😱😱

[–]kratbegone 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are going to ramble on about toxicity feminist toxicity is way worse since it is promoted and pushed in schools and everywhere. Stop continuing this stupid BS. The less fathers we have the less boys learn how to be men, it is as simple as that.

[–]mgtowolf 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is nothing toxic about masculinity. We are doing children a disservice by trying to keep them in this coddled, imaginary world until they are magically adults. Here, go out into this mean world, we didn't prepare you for any of it, good luck though

[–]iamth3on3 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

masculine without the toxicity.

t0 x 1 c masculinity is a buzzword for ha t i ng m3n. iT DOES NOT EXIST.

[–]MadMike1216 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I disagree. Bullying masquerading as competitive spirit, selfishness pretending to be self care, and the normalization of rape and abuse are all pretty damn toxic. Makes me question what you think is normal.

[–]iamth3on3 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Bullying masquerading as competitive spirit, selfishness pretending to be self care, and the normalization of rape and abuse are all pretty damn toxic

wom3n do these things too, these are gender neutral. Why are you only blaming ma sc ul in i ty? It makes me question about how much hate you have for men, their ma sc ul in ity.

[–]eddboat112 44 points45 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Grown men can be strong, responsible, dependable, stoic, confident, attractive, courageous, persistent, useful, and intelligent.

[–]BillyDeanMorgan -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is this a rebuttal to the poster?

[–]eddboat112 -5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Little bit

[–]BillyDeanMorgan 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think men can possess all of the qualities you posted, but I also believe the same can be said for the poster.

We want men to be acceptable in all forms, not only the traditional male archetype.

[–]ApprehensiveMail8 32 points33 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Nobody has ever called me pretty.

[–]beetrootvampire 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

bae that means you're absolutely gorgeous people dont call you pretty because they think you already know how beautiful you are <3

[–]Star-the-wolf 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve been called pretty so much but hot so rare I don’t know what to think of it lol

[–]Educational_Bet_6606 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been called sexy, very handsome, babe, by tomboys, and gay guys since I was a kid.

[–]MBV-09-C 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the most positive thing someone has said about my appearance was them thinking I lost weight, and even then, I'm not so sure they were genuine about it.

[–]Proof-Examination574 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, try make-up.

[–]hawkeyepitts 54 points55 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Feminists fabricate “toxic masculinity” and then act like regular men push these ideas on each other because pAtRiArChY.

Bullshit. It’s feminists who suggest that boys can’t have these certain thoughts/feelings/traits. Then they gaslight kids into thinking that it’s the patriarchy who says they can’t be these things, even though no average man has ever suggested that kids can’t simply be themselves.

It’s the definition of creating a problem so you can place blame somewhere else, then swoop in to be the hero and solve the problem. It’s kinda psychotic.

[–]Zenia_neow 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This artwork is made by a feminist for a feminist news website.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It’s feminists who suggest that boys can’t have these certain thoughts/feelings/traits.

Conservatives do that to us, too. They're the ones who invented the term "soyboy".

[–]NiceNob 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Soyboy, simp, male feminist. These are good words that can trigger simps.

[–]copeharderhun -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ahahhahaha fucking please. Soyboy is used for male feminist white knight types. If you fall in that category you should be nowhere near an MRA forum

Time to realize that the left isn't the side you should be on mate

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm certainly not going to be on the side of the ones who think only men should be drafted. I'm going to be on the side of the ones who think selective service should go away.

[–]manicraccoon 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes they can.

[–]DecimatingDarkDeceit 32 points33 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

◊ Average 'merican Karen : '' Nope ! Must drug'em up and whip' em up to their core to permanently broke them, stun them at their development and mentally scar them ''

[–]Adventurous-Shake140 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

after all is said and done karen : HUH ? You dare not give me respect and not simp for me ? TOXIC MASCULINITYYYY. Men need to be more emotional, we can't raise our boys to be like THEM

[–]DecimatingDarkDeceit 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

...meanwhile her Ted Bundy / Psycho-Sociopathic Son : '' Approves '' (!)

[–]bottleblank 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But also incels are terrorists and should be locked up and the key thrown away, because they're a danger to society, self-made social disasters, and we as a society aren't responsible for helping to cause that problem, they don't deserve help.

Never mind that many of them are/were socially ostracised, left out, bullied, and so on, giving them the impression that they had to develop coping mechanisms and hard outer shells, because life was a constant mental health warzone, and nobody showed an ounce of care or respect for them.

[–]DecimatingDarkDeceit 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never mind that many of them are/were socially ostracised, left out, bullied, and so on, giving them the impression that they had to develop coping mechanisms and hard outer shells, because life was a c

'merican society / gov't literally make bullying 'legal' in schools. As well as neglecting male children / boys; add the mothers neglect too

[–]rlaptop7 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And then they complain that they aren't "manly" enough.

[–]DecimatingDarkDeceit 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They realize what went wrong too late when their spawn turns out to be Ted Bundy V.2.0

[–]boss-awesome 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and physically scar their genitals :)

[–]Batmanfan_alpha 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Should send this over to the She-Hulk writers, im pretty sure they dont know this.

[–]risunokairu 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bromophobia truly runs rampant. If you're affectionate with your bromo, women will fetishize it as homosexuality. If you make women mad, they attack you as gay.

#EndBromophobia

[–]BillyDeanMorgan 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing wrong with this. Boys can be all of these things and many other things as well.

[–]ratione_materiae 21 points22 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

This is one of those posts where I agree with the sentiment and recognize the situation problem that it’s trying to address as a real problem, but cannot agree with the approach or audience.

Any straight man knows that the vast, vast majority of women lose every last iota of attraction she feels toward him if he shows weakness, insecurity, or feminine presentation. I’m not saying that’s how things should be, but it’s the way things are. At present, showing emotion other than anger must be a carefully calculated risk taken only when you’re abundantly confident your woman won’t immediately drop you.

Images like this should not be taken as advice by impressionable young men as meaning they actually can do some of the above without facing the corresponding consequences from women they might be interested in

[–]FuckinNogs 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've also had the experience of having your emotions thrown back at you as weakness during arguments with women.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Any straight man knows that the vast, vast majority of women

Do you really want to be with one of those toxic, low-quality women? They'll drain your soul for as long as you're with them.

[–]ratione_materiae 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not only would that result in writing off like 97% of women, it’s unfair to deride them as toxic for a preference ingrained in them through thousands of years of evolution. It’s like calling men toxic for not wanting to date a woman who’s slept with 200 dudes, or who weighs 400 lbs, or has a beard

[–]RatDontPanic[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not only would that result in writing off like 97% of women,

Sacrifices have to be made.

[–]HeelFaceSonny 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I prefer to be myself than to prevent myself from parts of my personallity just to please a woman

[–]ratione_materiae 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one’s saying you’re morally obliged to. Just that doing so will reduce the pool of women willing to date you. No one’s saying that woman who weighs 400lbs is morally obliged to change herself to please men either.

[–]FuckinNogs 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stoicism is really the only way for modern man.

[–]ElementalChicken 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, I believe women are not attracted to this type of man mostly because of social stigma. It is taught that these things are not manly. Only by pushing boundaries like this will this sentiment change. Many ways people are found to be attractive have changed over the ages, so this can change as well.

[–]ApprehensiveMail8 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This would be a lot more impactful if the artist was saying "full grown men" rather than "boys".

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The conditioning of men begins during childhood.

[–]throwawaygoodvibess 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The fact we even have to state this is disappointing. That’s how bad it is, that’s how badly feminists have dehumanized men and boys.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminists and Conservatives alike.

[–]BrodcETC 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s considered weird for me to not want to marry a woman. Called gay or just weird or whatever. As a man you don’t have to settle down and get married, it’s not necessary

[–]flogonz 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A feminist made this

[–]throwawaygoodvibess 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bless her or his heart. Wish more feminists thought like this, and more importantly spoke and spoke out like this.

[–]non-troll_account 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Be careful. There are large swaths of th internet and the world right now that would label this as transphobic, because these are markers for identifying whether a young male child is transgender.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow, seriously. They'll manufacture an offense out of anything.

[–]whtsnk 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A decade ago, the prevailing ethos among feminists was that heterosexual men doing any of the things in your image was something they shouldn’t be ashamed of. “Doing ______ doesn’t make you gay!” the saying would go.

Now, many of those things have been crystallized and institutionalized in the view of feminists themselves as part of gay culture and aesthetic. If you express yourself in this manner, they assume you belong to LGBT+! It’s all come full circle!

The success of musical artist Harry Styles is a case study in this phenomenon. He is exactly the kind of man worth celebrating, a truly free spirit: He dresses how he wants, he speaks how he wants, he behaves how he wants, and he expresses himself artistically how he wants. Yet the moment he “came out” as straight, he was criticized for having “appropriated queer culture” and was labeled homophobic for doing so.

In 2005, a person mocking a man for painting his nails was told by feminists, “There’s nothing gay about that! You’re just insecure about your masculinity!” In 2022, a feminist will “claim” painted nails as a signifier of homosexuality, and scoff at you for doing it without actually being part of that in-group. The persistent through-line here is that men can never win with such people—they’re not free to live as themselves without feminists’ judgement.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

they’re not free to live as themselves without feminists’ judgement.

Then forget what the feminists think, they don't control us.

[–]HendoRules 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't tell women this though, the minute you do they'll save some of the moments or what you tell them against you when they're even mildly pissed off. Not all women though, find you a girl who hugs you when you ask, they the real ones

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You gotta choose the kind of woman you want to be with! Choose well!

[–]EldritchGrapefruit 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

bro if that thing shows up i think anyone would be scared. it’s huge!

[–]RnRsbg 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My mom says I’m beautiful.

[–]Mental-Ad-9366 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have a great mother.

[–]capitanMorgan89 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you 🙏🏽

[–]Ziodyne967 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where’s strong, steadfast, and dependable?

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the norm with regards to what men are expected to be.

[–]guachumalakegua 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow! It’s almost like boys are human too!

[–]iainmf 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The words 'can be' reveals a of about the artist's view of boys.

Boys are those things.

[–]ActPsychological8189 12 points13 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

See, I agree with all this, but I always feel posts like these are fronts to weaken men.

These traits do need to be instilled in boys and men, but also traits like confidence, accountability, responsibility, self-control and bravery.

There is still a place for traditional masculinity in this world, perhaps now more than ever.

[–]chykin 9 points10 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Why would these be considered weak?

[–]eddboat112 3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Pretty, not exactly the trait of a strong man.

[–]chykin 5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Why?

[–]eddboat112 1 point2 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Scary that you have to ask

[–]ratione_materiae 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

lmao what are you talking about because of the definition of the word “pretty”

Pretty: (adj) pleasant to look at, or (especially of girls or women or things relating to them) attractive or pleasant in a delicate way

[–]HesperianDragon 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Funny how this is directed at "boys". Is that one of those so-called "microaggressions" where men are referred to as "boys" in order to belittle and infantilize them?

Or is the OP implying that boys can be these things, but when you grow up and become a man things are different?

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, these prejudices start during childhood and has to end there.

[–]HesperianDragon -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean?

[–]bottleblank 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Can't speak for the OP, but if boys are given the opportunity to freely be these things without ridicule and bullying, if they're encouraged to be them and their interests/traits nurtured, then they would presumably continue into adulthood.

Unlike, as I mentioned in another comment, if they're humiliated and bullied for being these things, and learn not to display any of them publicly as a child or as an adult because they know that doing so results in pain.

Ultimately what the comment above said about it starting in childhood is correct - if you train boys to exist in a competitive, aggressive, violent environment, they're either going to become competitive, aggressive, and violent, or they're going to be forever broken by the idea that they're worthless losers who weren't born to fit into this society.

[–]HesperianDragon 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wonder though, is there an actual difference between boyhood and adulthood?

I see plenty of young boys being open and expressive and all the things listed in the image above and then when they leave their parents' house and start to work and provide for themselves they are not mentally prepared for the challenges of being self reliant.

I do think that letting boys do all the things listed in the image is important, but I also think you need to prepare young men to be resilient, stoic, or competitive when the need arises.

Children should be brought up in a safe environment but out in the world you will come across people who will take advantage of you if you don't have a competitive, aggressive, or even violent for the purpose of self defense tool set you can use to counter the aggressiveness you'll encounter in the world.

[–]sagriell 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think your the worthless loser here lol keep projecting

[–]gckman915 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

IME it's always been the men that have been there for me. When I had surgery last year, my mother and sister didn't even bother to even see I how was. Yet, several guys that aren't family texted me 'good luck' messages and followed up to see how I was doing.

[–]MikiSayaka33 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If these men are fictional or worst, actual celebrities/politicians, some people that like to write fanfiction/fanarts will judge and say that this isn't a man, but someone that's part of the LGBTQ community. Then proceeds to pair him with someone.

I mean, sheesh, let men/boys be emotional.

[–]TraehNoil 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is when boys are these things, they’re told they’re being weak and therefore they’re not wanted and ignored by society. It’s a double edge sword, so just be yourselves gentlemen.

[–]f0ej0ker 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men can be whatever they need to be

[–]Night-Existing 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

FUCK. Forgot to take my pills before getting on Reddit.

[–]Proof-Examination574 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

FUCK me too.

[–]malcxavier 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol boys can be pretty with flowers in their hair lol that’s y’all son’s

[–]Juicedejedi -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Boy can be boys period…..once he’s healthy and active like a little boy is…..all that add and adhd is bullshit

[–]duhrealski 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Don’t be these things in public though or all the women will criticize you and call you soft.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who cares what they say? A good woman won't.

[–]bottleblank 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's great, but if it takes you experiencing years of abuse and pain for exposing your vulnerabilities to women (and men) who aren't "good", by the time you get to that "good" woman (if indeed you ever do, having been damaged in the process) you're going to have a warped sense of who/what you are and how that compares to who/what you should or should've been.

[–]ironmanqaray 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Can be doesn’t mean should be

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Says who?

[–]IBrokeUrAssB-v 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Says you cuz depending on your way of living life you will be judged by society

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a slave to society. Are you?

[–]IBrokeUrAssB-v 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True

[–]bruhgirlyy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists agree with this and they fight against gender stereotypes and misogyny that discourage men from being them.

[–]RemarkableStar1286 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

2 things that should be taken away from us are probably sensitivity and fear.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Molon labe. Come and take it.

[–]sadhunath -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We don't need men to be women if women are dreaming of becoming men.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We need men to understand the concept of individual liberty - which means they get to decide what they want to be.

[–]SethGyan 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

Yes but some things don't make men masculine.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 3 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Masculine by who's definition? A truly free man doesn't give a shit about what others think.

[–]SethGyan 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Even though I agree that a masculine trait is not giving easily into social pressures, "a truly free man" isn't necessarily masculine man.

Says who?

Says society, history, culture, what women find attractive, etc.

If being a free man is the goal, then lucky you. You're in the 21st century, you will have leftists praising you as you cross dress 😂.

[–]sagriell 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So you are admitting you are a dumb drone that gives in to social pressures, ok then it someone told you to go die in a war because it's "manly" you can go ahead and do that bro

[–]SethGyan 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What a dumb take.

How is identifying that not all things are masculine equal to being gullible to do anything to be perceived as masculine.

Why do you assume that trying to increase your masculinity means you can't make good decisions.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Says society, history, culture, what women find attractive, etc.

Screw them. A real man is not a slave to what others say he should be. Masculinity is standards that someone else holds you to. Real freedom means the right to be what you want to be - tough guy, submissive, stoic, empathetic, lumberjack, crossdresser, metrosexual, homosexual, whatever.

Conforming to arbitrary 'masculine' norms just so a woman likes you is the ultimate self-cuck.

[–]DoppelGangHer88 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's not just so a woman will like you, it's because that's what men are and what every society needs and every person needs a purpose in society to be fulfilled and happy.

It's not arbirtrary, there's a reason why boys wrestle and girls play with dolls. Biology informs behavior, not always but in general.

[–]anoduck -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What a pile of liberal bullshit. Boys need to be prepared to be men, not delicate pampered snow flakes.

It is bullshit like this that is ruining our society.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's feminists and Conservanazi's like you who are ruining our society. What you want is out east in Afghanistan.

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't want to be pretty.

[–]whtsnk 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don’t have to be.

[–]chirruphowlinkeeaahh -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What about angry, furious and burning red?

[–]venomang -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ew

[–]Salt-Traffic59 -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

the real question is can a femininazi be anything on this list?

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminazis is a stupid word. They're more like Stalinists than Nazis, but tbh "femistalinists" doesn't roll off the tongue as easily.

[–]bakedpotato486 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, that just means he - I mean she - is trans. Gotta chop that dick off and affirm, affirm, affirm!

[–]Juicedejedi 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yea some i agree and others i dont

[–]kiaeej 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno about the pretty…i sincerely doubt anyones called me that.

[–]spartandude5 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone hurts me

[–]MotorCityTrucker 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They can also be none of these things and still not be “toxic”.

[–]MotorCityTrucker 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also: Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent

[–]SadPatient28 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

check out bill maher from last night. there was some solid men's right speech finally being heard and applauded. by the LEFT.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it on Youtube?

[–]ScaryHitchhikerStory 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmmm, I have three sons (now grown) and some of the adjectives I can think of that I have used to describe them (at different times - some positive, some negative, some neutral) are not included here:

gregarious, playful, mischievous, aggressive, focused, lively, devious, competitive, violent, imaginative, inventive, industrious, cutthroat, combative, energetic, spirited, enterprising, analytical, investigative, bothersome, exasperating, destructive, constructive, productive, athletic, forceful, vigorous, enthusiastic, brave, adventurous, confident, reckless, bold, defiant...

[–]mgtowolf 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The real world will break a man like a twig if he cannot persevere and rip through every obstacle that is hurled into his path......

[–]Ivy-Candy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

thank you

[–]Proof-Examination574 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah when I call the police I want a scared, gentle, quiet, pretty man to show up. /s

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

America's cops are fucking psychos.

[–]owlsore 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would argue that men are better at most of those things than women. I mean, just look at all the famous artists throughout history.

There was a post here a few days ago about a gay dude who was talking about how he started hanging out with guys for the first time in his life, and found that men are generally more supportive, whereas women are toxic.

[–]RatDontPanic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would argue that men are better at most of those things than women. I mean, just look at all the famous artists throughout history.

I would not venture into such gender jingoistic bullshit. A lot of women weren't even allowed to be artists, or scientists, or anything. I'm not going to sign on to the same "my gender is better" bullshit that feminists do, screw that.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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