Be honest, what do you actually think about female management at work?

OldMedic1SG · 2023-10-09T18:53:54+00:00

Same thing I think about male management. Some are outstanding while some are horrible. Some pick favorites while others use merit. Some allow baggage to follow them while others bring a fresh perspective

shakespeares--goatee · 2023-10-09T19:04:28+00:00

I have two female bosses;

The first was my mentor before my boss, she is fantastic at her job and I owe a lot to her, I respect her as a firm but fair manager and will support her as such

The second was hired in a wave of female hires so my company can boast 50%+ females in management roles and it shows, she lacks the skill and personality skills to do the job.

So I don’t see it as a problem at all if they’re qualified and able to do do the job.

No_Reaction_2168 · 2023-10-09T19:02:10+00:00

I don't really care unless they're obnoxious and/or micromanagerial.

yeahrum · 2023-10-09T18:58:05+00:00

Not much different from the men. Some are great, some are terrible.

My boss is a woman. She's very laid back, not a micro-manager, and I have a lot of freedom. My previous boss was a man and micro-managed everything.

But I've also had female bosses who felt they had to be extra hard on people to be respected, which was bullshit and made people miserable.

parahacker · 2023-10-09T21:40:41+00:00

I don't care in the immediate circumstance. I judge the person. Man, woman, makes no sniff. Asshole/not asshole is what matters.

On the wider view it's an absolute outrage though. Not because there are so many women managers, but because there's a massive denial of it. Women have outnumbered men in management positions for decades now. It's not a huge difference... until you take into context how women do not similarly outnumber men as bottom rung employees.

And then they wanna tell me women make less money. When they represent over 80% of luxury spending, and outnumber men in higher-paid positions (except for the very tippy top).

That just does not add up. And it is maddening when it's glossed over.

look at this list of professions where women outnumber men. "Training managers", "health services managers", "marketing managers", "Post office managers," on and on. Chances are if you have a entry-to-mid level job role your boss is a woman.

But men in the same jobs make more money! they cry. Even if that were true - which is highly HIGHLY debatable when you compare apples to apples - women have better jobs overall. And have done for decades. This is not new. The entire conversation is such gaslighting bullshit, it is maddening.

mylazybutt · 2023-10-09T21:56:10+00:00

Women in general are more risk averse and this spreads throughout an organization. New ideas are not as appreciated, following the rules is rewarded over innovation. Same as with teachers in schools. After a while the organization atrophies.
Women tend to promote other women while men promote the best candidate.
Women know they can get away with yelling and deriding others in ways that men cannot, so this behavior increases.

Wylanderuk · 2023-10-09T19:35:12+00:00

Some suck ass, some are "meh" and others are good...Just like the male ones.

MonkeSquad · 2023-10-09T20:01:59+00:00

I don't care as long as they are good people and the most qualified for the position

Drayenn · 2023-10-09T22:11:27+00:00

The women ive interacted with in management positions were great people... not sure theres anything special to say here.

r_c29 · 2023-10-09T19:58:30+00:00

Look at these comments all are geared towards equality yet people still attack this community. Insane!

dwitchagi · 2023-10-09T21:15:26+00:00

My best and my worst have been women. No male boss stood out as outstanding, but two women did. But… the openly sexist (and racist) female bosses I’ve had—Jesus Christ. A tenth of their behavior would not have been accepted if they were men.

Inevitable_Dark3225 · 2023-10-09T19:42:44+00:00

In fairness, I've had good female managers and bad male managers, but overwhelming my experience has been mostly negative when under female management. There's a few reasons for this; - they are quicker to tempare - emotional decision-making - more deflection of responsibility - wasting time over petty or trivial matters - worst of all gossiping, gossip about clients, staff, direct coworkers, and board members. This one I hate the most because somehow I end up getting involved.

JackHoff13 · 2023-10-10T02:15:49+00:00

Female managers have been fine for me

elebrin · 2023-10-09T20:47:06+00:00

I work in tech and I've had more female managers than I have male. Women go into software, they spend two years programming, then they take a job as a scrummaster or a leader of some sort normally. The women I've met on a SME/Architect path are few and far between.

I don't really care as long as they support my work and work with me.

breathofanarchy · 2023-10-09T21:18:10+00:00

Nothing. They’re as bad as men. Management sucks bad

Shreddersaurusrex · 2023-10-09T22:20:54+00:00

At my last job they were unreasonable. Engaged in high school drama. Banded together against ppl they didn’t like.

At my current job there’s a female manager who’s chill. As long as you do your job and act like an adult she sees no issue.

Depends on the manager in question. Not necessarily a matter of male vs female managers.

MrInbetweenn01 · 2023-10-09T23:25:12+00:00

Over about 30 years experience, I would say the same percentage of women are equally as capable as men in management.

The only thing I used to not like but it is disappearing now is when they tried twice as hard or were twice as tough to prove their worth. It always seemed forced.

Now there is less of that forced behaviour and it is much better. The old 80/20 rule for both women and men as far as managers go.

AnteaterEven · 2023-10-09T23:51:39+00:00

Some good, some bad. I've been back stabbed by both in equal amounts.

It's not a gender thing as much as a generational thing IMO. I'm old school, honesty and hard work used to be all it took, but now with how corporately indoctrinated the younger generations are, if you can't politic you can't climb.

Not sure what they're teaching these kids in business school, but it certainly isn't how to treat people with dignity and respect.

TenuousOgre · 2023-10-10T02:41:19+00:00

It’s more dependent on the person and their background than the gender. I've had several great women bosses and a few that were terrible. I've also trained and mentored some who’ve grown and done well (on them, I just gave a little help).

XavierMalory · 2023-10-09T22:46:38+00:00

YMMV

I’ve only had two female bosses in my 3 decades of work history, and both of them were a joy to work for.

As for male bosses, I’ve had around 8. 2 of them could take a long walk off a short plank. 🤣

Contranovae · 2023-10-10T02:46:07+00:00

I have had some great women bosses and some that were stereotypical passive aggressive bitches.

It depends on the woman.

Cotehill · 2023-10-10T03:14:53+00:00

Some great, some ok, some not so good. Just like with blokes. None of it to do with gender but with competence in managing people.

What has been interesting is most of the women were single or divorced, unable to find someone long term, and they were quite sad in their personal lives.

MennQ · 2023-10-10T06:13:12+00:00

Depends on the manager.

Some are good, some are bad

sshah528 · 2023-10-10T06:13:25+00:00

My background - I worked at several dealerships as a lot attendant. I would say, all told, I worked directly/indirectly with 24 male managers (counting all dealerships) 5-6 were really good, the others memorable because they were such assholes. I also worked at Kohl's Dept. Store, at a store - for 23 years. Corporate leadership (after 1997) was a joke - all men trying to prove their manhood by expanding the company at the expense of associates. For a very long time, our store was considered training grounds for management, so we had a managers coming and going constantly. I would say, all in, I probably worked for ~100 managers - 20% men, 80% women. My top 5 managers were all women, top 10, 1 man, the rest women. Of the top 10, 1 woman manager I had - she was, by far, the very best person I have ever had the fortune to work with. Being able to work with her - she changed my life. 75-80% of Kohl's was garbage. Still, she was my mentor and that 80% garbage was worth being able to work with her. She retired, and I left the company 6 months later. I miss her terribly. As far as crappy managers - three stick out. Three that, if I never see them in my life again, I will be happy - 1 man, 2 women (1 being the last store manager I worked for). The rest - eh, maybe I'd hang with them for lunch, maybe a drink, but I wouldn't go out of my way to find them/stay in touch.

PlatypusPristine9194 · 2023-10-10T10:32:03+00:00

The ones I work with are great at their jobs.

House_of_Raven · 2023-10-09T20:14:10+00:00

I’ve mostly had female management in all my jobs, and there’s no difference in my experience with male or female management. Some are good, some are bad. I do find that women tend to be a bit more gossipy or cliquey on occasion, but in general there’s no big difference

hendrixski · 2023-10-09T19:25:23+00:00

Nothing.

I'm a manager, I have female colleagues who are managers. I've had female managers in my past. There's no difference as far as I can tell.

Why do you ask?

Embarrassed_Curve769 · 2023-10-09T20:38:21+00:00

Most are terrible, promoted based on DEI demand. Luckily I run my own company, so I seldom have to deal with that crap.

LUCKYMAZE · 2023-10-09T20:44:57+00:00

My manager is female. There are a lot of ego and emotional decisions.

michaelpaoli · 2023-10-09T22:12:31+00:00

Best manager I ever had was a woman. Worst I ever had was a man. Don't really think gender has diddly to do with it, though. Great folks - and managers ... and *ssholes, come in all genders.

sgt_oddball_17 · 2023-10-10T00:11:17+00:00

Camile Paglia once said that she noticed women who had brothers made better managers than women without brothers.

Her theory was that the women with brothers didn't take men so seriously, or at least had a better idea of how to handle them without getting all dramatic.

efroggyfrog · 2023-10-09T23:05:19+00:00

When a woman perceives any wrong they do lasting permanent damage to someone career. They can be a lot more petty and backstabbing.

AlternativeTop511 · 2023-10-17T18:15:08+00:00

I think both men and women have their own pros and cons, but I think each gender throws up its own separate problems.

I've had most "serious" issues with male managers making my job so hard to do that I couldn't do it well, and it seems that "blowing up" in an argument is the only way to end things. But things don't change and you have to leave.

I prefer male managers overall as they stay out of the way when it comes to social issues and don't force work families down your throat. They are better at leading and creating a team that functions, but some do try and do everything themselves.

You can't pass ideas on to them as they seem to think all of their ideas are brilliant and any suggestions hurt their egos.

Female managers tend to be more hands-off and concentrate on their own jobs. I haven't had many female managers who like to lead or be responsible for other people. It's hard to think of 1.

They tend to like bringing personal stuff to work which can cause a very false atmosphere, and they are the ones that organise work family bullshit. If you're not part of the group and want some separation between work and personal life then it's a problem.

If you're getting bullied or harassed then female managers are more likely to join in than stop it, as women love gossip like cats love catnip.

I don't know what people here do or where they're from, but whether you like male or female managers more, they're definitely different to work for most of the time. I don't agree with "it's about the person" because gender plays a big part in who a person is. Men and women usually get raised differently and have different experiences in life which turn them into different people.

Sitheral · 2023-10-10T07:29:30+00:00

Nothing, there isn't one in my place. Worth to point out that everything is running smoothly for years. But in the end I don't care what gender they are as long as they are competent and not an asshole.

LionVenom10 · 2023-10-10T09:17:40+00:00

I don’t care, as long as it’s not a feminist management. You can have a male boss and he’d be feminist.

dontevenknowanym · 2023-10-10T04:48:52+00:00

Yeah every female manager I had was awful 😂😂 like literally evil

ERTCbeatsPPP · 2023-10-09T20:25:39+00:00

I can't say that, in my 30+ year career, that I've ever really made a distinction in management based upon gender. I'm pretty sure that I judge management based upon their abilities, not upon their genitals.

About the only "sexist" generalization that I could see off the top of my head that I should maybe examine more deeply would be:

Most management that I would label "assholes" have probably been men.
I've seen female management make irrational, emotional decisions; but haven't seen male management make irrational, emotional decisions.

But, literally, there's like 2 or 3 people my entire career that I'd put into either of those categories. So it's a pretty small sample size and could be purely coincidence that I've never encountered an irrational, emotional male manager or an asshole female manager.

lpd1snipe · 2023-10-10T00:32:27+00:00

I worked for one for about a month. Emphasis on a month . Need I say more?

another-cosplaytriot · 2023-10-10T01:24:07+00:00

It's where women end up because they're no good working as engineers but we can't fire them.

jthomas93_ · 2023-10-10T05:20:08+00:00

It sucks, 2 of the 3 female managers I’ve had were control freaks….90% of male managers I’ve had, are not, they let me run my departments as needed

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2023-10-10T10:08:12+00:00

I think if you only look at the gender thing. Some are bad and some are good.

The only real difference is. Just a lot more talk about i feel he feels she feels that type of way. So you have to bend this or that way.

What is kinda really damn annoying cause it adds a lot of stress cause for some its more ok to slack off at their job while others have to be ok with the more added work load. In my experience the more you nag the more you get away with.

Wail the more you nag with a guy. The more quickly they say maybe its not a good fit you keep working here. Cause you know what the work means.

Only that gets really annoying out of my own experiences. Like your not equal at all. The rules get bend for some people and more pushed unreasonably way on others. And i always hated having different rules for each person. So thats the main think that keeps anoying me. Its also not something every woman does it. But a lot lot more likely.

Would say out of like the 10+ maybe 2 that did not really did that at all.

And more word police bullshit. But thats about it

melkiorr · 2023-10-10T02:09:48+00:00

Most seem to have an endless "i am a victim " and i must do more " as a strong independent woman" attitude to continuously prove themselves to someone. They sure do put a lot of effort to impress that "someone" . Im still trying to find who that someone is to be honest , as most coworkers don't give a **** about them.

They also seems to like to promote others women for the only reason that she is a woman.

They don't take critiques very well and usually take it very personnal and are vindicative about it. If they keep making bad decisions they usually all end up claiming the " i am only a woman after all " excuse .

Many got caught in the sleeping with employees except they didn't get fired because vagina. So there are always many , many rumors about who they slept with and sometimes very detailed ones. It make it difficult for any employee to take them seriously at all. I mean would you respect your boss if you knew and keep hearing news about how slutty she is ? Very few are respected.

Their decisions are way too often emotional, based on feelings and they seems to care more about what everybody around them think of them instead of doing the actual job. They talk a lot and somehow make what could be a 2 min instruction speech lasting 30 min because they just love to talk.

You cannot say anything because the risk to hurt her feelings and get in trouble with management is considerably higher. So most guys just end up giving up and do what they say, no matter how stupid and inefficient it is.

Now im not saying the men are perfect, they arent. But this is what i see daily at work.

Kandorek · 2023-10-10T04:45:46+00:00

my experience:
- sporadic change in decisions ("oh we came to the conclusion that Option A is completly unviable and that we go with option B? let me just reverse that decision for no reason")
- incoherent reasoning for decisions (going against previous set rules)
- constant jokes against men
- doesnt listen to men complaining about bad changes to the workflow, but does when female colleagues complain

Ripper31189 · 2023-10-10T05:35:59+00:00

Not every female boss I've had was bad but every bad boss I've had was female.

Sad_Bell_6266 · 2023-10-10T06:53:40+00:00

Babysitter. It's always the younger female managers, because they're the ones hired to fill the woman quota, so they lack all the required skills that would command my respect and instead threaten to make my life hell by watching over me and micromanaging things. the older and more experienced ones who came in on their merit are amazing and i highly respect them, not as women but as someone that doesn't make my life hell and lets me do my job. with women you also need to know they're favoured more and therefore are more involved in the politics in the workplace.

AvailableAd1232 · 2023-10-10T07:17:10+00:00

It's absolutely a joke. Unless you don't work in a feminized or female dominated workspace.

Antarkian · 2023-10-10T12:58:05+00:00

Where i work, all they do, is make shitty cut-throat choices, that seem to piss of my entire town.

And I work for a municipality, so, no, that's not an exaggerated statement.

DaJosuave · 2023-10-09T19:58:14+00:00

It depends on who they are.

I have noticed that there's a bit more "drama" around. It was at McDonalds, young women.

But not with every female boss.

Again it depends on the individual.

Omecore65 · 2023-10-09T20:01:32+00:00

Depends on the setting, I’ve had fair and equal managers that were women in all workplaces except education.

Fuzzy_Department2799 · 2023-10-09T20:31:48+00:00

No different from men but there are some who have the feminist chip on their shoulder, just as their are some men who are sexist and don't see anything wrong with it.

GUTSQUISHRR · 2023-10-09T21:41:49+00:00

As long as they’re cool idgaf

AChromaticHeavn · 2023-10-09T23:21:37+00:00

My company merit promotes, so they actually know their shit.

Peoniesandpopsicles · 2023-10-10T00:29:17+00:00

One thing women in management can sometimes bring to the table is, for the most part, they’ll have an understanding of the demands of parenting. Sometimes a women can have a power tripping personality, but so can a man. In those cases it’s more about the personality than the gender.

McFeely_Smackup · 2023-10-10T17:19:43+00:00

I've worked with female peer managers and they've all been really great, but I've been under two different female VP's and they were the worst of the worst. Promoted well beyond their abilities and not hesitant to throw other people under the bus to insulate themselves from their own incompetence.

I've never seen male executives as bad as these two women, mostly because I don't think a man would have been promoted that far over their abilities or that their level of incompetence would have been tolerated if they were male.

Much-Avocado-3400 · 2023-10-11T02:52:10+00:00

I enjoy them but that's cause as a female I've noticed that any male manager that hired me would always fill out my forms for me then just tell me where to sign. While the female managers didn't.

Wildcard13373r · 2023-10-12T13:18:52+00:00

Gotta play the politics with any manager, i think good male managers are in good supply, i have had a couple of outstanding hard working female managers, and some who seem confused about what to do with that kind of power and how to handle adversity with confidence, calmly. The best female managers i had came from mechanic or construction backgrounds.

AlexExpect · 2023-10-13T19:56:05+00:00

I will say as a female myself. Some of my meanest bosses were women. Obviously not all of them. But whenever I had a particularly horrible boss it was always worse when they were women. Idk why but some women feel the need to prove their leadership by being assholes to everyone

Title	Be honest, what do you actually think about female management at work?
Author	AlternativeTop511
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Date	October 9, 2023 6:47 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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