70% of palestine victims are women and children

GodlessPerson · 2024-04-27T08:39:54+00:00

Those percent are just what's counted as civilians. In reality, more men died but were "soldiers" so naturally their lives are meaningless.

LettuceBeGrateful · 2024-04-27T11:49:35+00:00

I've been seeing the whole "women and children" thing over and over in this whole conflict, from both sides. "Hamas are evil - they killed women and children!" "How can you not say Israel is committing genocide, they're bombing women and children!" It's disheartening how most people intrinsically value men's lives less than everyone else's.

SvitlanaLeo · 2024-04-27T09:04:40+00:00

Women and children discource around Gaza is a clear gynopopulism. Most killed children are boys. And most killed adults are men. But no one cares about boys. Not to mention men.

Johntoreno · 2024-04-27T12:27:40+00:00

Guys are still getting surprised by this? We live in a world which uironically tells parents to "teach their boys not to rape". We are treated like we're just barely domesticized animals that will default to murder, rape, pillage if not for Society keeping us in line.

Charming_Gift7698 · 2024-04-27T10:05:32+00:00

He thinks that mentioning women will pull at peoples heart strings more

sanitaryinspector · 2024-04-27T09:06:45+00:00

70% of Italy is made of south and north too

For a war not to be too unfair, it must murder up to 50% of children and no women, or up to 25% of women and 25% of children (otherwise women would be the primary target, surpassing even children)

Lads keep the male body count to more than 50% otherwise you're targeting women

2024-04-27T08:39:26+00:00

I have a problem with the emphasis on women*** and children as the emphasis as we live in a world where more women are participating in warfare in the largest numbers in human history.

But given the context, this was to point out that disproportionate toll this has taken on civilian populations, which appears to stand to reason.

It's a fine line to walk and it could have been worded better, but sometimes this insinuation can seem like we're grasping at straws.

AlternativeIcy1183 · 2024-04-27T11:07:50+00:00

How many of those children where male?

___bruce · 2024-04-27T20:23:27+00:00

Generally, I find him to be a good man. I remember once he said that we put too much emphasis on race and gender which we should not. I don't remember exactly what he said. But, he said something similar to that.

I believe he made this comment about Gaza in this specific manner so that people can feel empathy for people of Gaza. It actually shows a deeper problem in society that we do not feel empathy for male victims.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-04-27T12:53:17+00:00

Correct me if I'm wrong, but given Palestine's very young population, this statistic essentially just means they're killing indiscriminately.

If around 47-48% of the population is young enough to be "children", this 70% figure just means they're not knocking on doors and taking a census of the people living in a building before they bomb it.

I understand some people's point that this stat is supposed to highlight the high number of "non-combatant" deaths, but it's still misleading in that regard, since most of the people sharing it don't know that roughly half of Palestine's population is children. It makes it sound like they're intentionally targeting women and children, rather than just not asking the gender identity of people prior to killing them. Even from a non-LWMA perspective, we should expect better of our progressive peers.

redidiott · 2024-04-27T17:11:45+00:00

Men are seen as a threat whereas women (and of course, children) are not. It's understandable that in war you kill the most threatening demographic of your enemy. Killing those who can't hurt you is seen as unnecessary and therefore cruel. Not that we, the US and Britain, and every other civilization since the dawn of time haven't done exactly the same thing.

On the other hand, these are the same people, the left, the media, etc. more so than the right, who laud female fighters. The media seemed to only ever show female fighters from Kurdistan and makes sure to always show women in fatigues in Israel and often in the US military as well.

So, once again we get the double standard: women can be just as combat-effective as men, but killing them in a war is wrong because they aren't combat effective. Cue Jackie Chan meme.

Automatic-Shelter387 · 2024-04-27T23:06:37+00:00

Yep, they treat military age men as disposable.

letsgettserious · 2024-04-28T05:19:11+00:00

On the Israeli side, we are often told of the 19 women hostages (and handful of child hostages), but not much about the 100+ male hostages, who are also going through horrific abuse.

Cuts4Cuts · 2024-04-27T08:41:00+00:00

Im extremly pro palestine yet the way everyone always says "women and children" as if they're the only thing that matters. And its directly against their feminism too- its refering to women by the old idea that women should live because they can give birth. It's boiling them down to being birth machines despite what women don't want to be boiled down to. All people ever say is "women and children" are being murdered, "women and children" have no food or water, "women and children" have no place to sleep. Its fucking horrible how so many people just give no shit to the men working tirelessly to provide for their families while being carpet bombed.

And I've seen so many videos of men being the ones to bury dead children, to lift dead family members out of crushed buildings. Hell to see that man carrying his children in bags haunt me. Yet nobody has any appreciation for these men working their asses off, they're still referred to as less than despite being the amazing people they are, retrieving peoples dead relatives.

ObserverBlue · 2024-04-27T15:55:04+00:00

Yes, the mention of children is justifiable. The mention of women simply appeals to (and reinforces) the idea of women's vulnerability and/or the greater passive value of female lives, though it's also claimed that it is simply that women are non-combatants (as if that wasn't the case for many men).

I'm beyond tired of hearing that goddamn phrase, especially when it comes from supposed "gender equality supporters", but I rarely try to call it out because I'm just tired at this point.

UnHope20 · 2024-04-27T16:49:00+00:00

Besides the whole issue of implying that the lives of women and children are more valuable than men there is a huge issue here of grouping women and children.

If you are analyzing based on gender then you need to look at the ratio of males to females regardless of age.

If you are analyzing at age then you need to analyze the ratio of adults to children regardless of gender.

Grouping the two makes no sense because it says nothing about how many of that "70%" are children vs women?

It could be the case that 65% of the victims are children of both genders while 5% are women and one could still accurately (Albeit deceptively) make the claim that "70% of victims are women and children". This creates the illusion that the women are the majority of victims when in fact, they are not.

Revolutionary_Law793 · 2024-04-27T15:21:02+00:00

I am a feminist and I hate it - it is benevolent sexism and it is outdated. Why not differentiate only between adults and children? BTW, MRA always mumble about conscription, and they are right. Women should be conscripted or rather nobody should.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-04-27T09:14:13+00:00

I do not like it either. But it is harder for Israeli to lie that all those women and children are fighters, as they do. But at the end of the day it does expose the disgusting prevailing sentiment that men are legitimate targets in war. This is an age old sentiment.

Durmyyyy · 2024-04-27T16:06:00+00:00

1) I dont know how thats even possible (but its horrible either way)

2) their lives are worth more than ours to most people which sucks

GAMESnotVIOLENT · 2024-04-27T21:51:54+00:00

It's a lie by ommission (and yes, Bernie Sanders is probably doing it by choice because women are considered "more human").

According to Al Jazeera: "Killed: at least 34,356 people, including more than: More than 14,500 children killed 8,400 women"

34,356 - 14,500 = 19,856 adults confirmed dead 19,856 - 8,400 = 11,456 confirmed dead adult males. If we assume half of the 14,500 children are boys, then the total male death count rises to approximately 18,706. The children part of the "women and children" line is pulling all the weight in the world. Women are the least effected group by a significant margin. I don't think there's a practical purpose to it, but if we unnecessarily break the children stat down into boys and girls, then adult males become a plurality of casuslties.

My source for the stats: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker

White_Buffalos · 2024-04-27T21:55:55+00:00

There's no way to get an accurate accounting yet. Likely that will come much later. This is the sort of stat I question due to sourcing, etc. It mostly is used to outrage people, but I have yet to see objective and neutral numbers of casualties broken down by age, gender, and so on. So I just avoid using these figures until more is understood.

Actual_HumanBeing · 2024-04-28T11:26:06+00:00

I hate statements like those! Good catch! It’s true and I hate when people say this. Men’s Lives Matter= MLM!!

1stthing1st · 2024-04-27T08:47:37+00:00

So half the population are women. Half the male population are children, since they have a very young population.

Dashing2026 · 2024-04-27T13:01:13+00:00

I think this statistics may make it seem like femicide if we don't know the ratio between women and children; what percentage of that 70% are actually women? For a gender analysis, we're better off removing the age factor and splitting it as male-female.

Notwithstanding that, it could be the case that that's only civilian casualties while males make up more military ones.

turpin23 · 2024-04-27T18:57:34+00:00

Israel is fighting an enemy that launches missiles from military facilities entrenched in tunnels under hospitals because they are using human shields on purpose. All Israel's actions have been defensive strikes against combatants. It's not their fault that their enemy has chosen to use human shields in such a macabre manner, or that the civilian population in Gaza have collaborated with militants to such an extent. Bernie Sanders is a war crime denier. He denies that Gaza attacked Israel. He denies that Israel is defending itself. He denies that Gaza uses civilians as human shields by launching rockets from civilian populations. Every time he accuses Israel, he is denying these facts. He is denying war crimes committed by Gaza.

hottake_toothache · 2024-04-27T13:44:30+00:00

It is a bogus stat.

Puzzleheaded_Pea_889 · 2024-04-27T18:19:12+00:00

Unfortunately I’m gonna have to defend Bernie on the grounds that politics is politics, and you can only fight one battle at a time. Regardless of whether it’s right or wrong, people either care more about women or are more inclined to assume male casualties are soldiers, and so if you’re attempting to reduce support for Israel’s policies it makes more sense to appeal to what they already find persuasive rather than risk compromising your goal by introducing principles they disagree with. I would honestly be prioritizing Gaza too right now. You can downvote me if you want, I won’t blame you.

namey_9 · 2024-04-27T21:39:58+00:00

I think it means it's highly unlikely those people were Hamas

WanabeInflatable · 2024-04-27T20:49:35+00:00

Almost unrelated. Why it seems to be mandatory for left to align with Palestine and against Israel? Latter seems way more progressive

Perfidiousplantain · 2024-04-27T10:39:18+00:00

He highlighted that because women and children are exclusively non combatants. The anti Palestinian propogandists are always 'countering' the death toll statistics with some BS about how they're fighting hamas. Presenting the data this way highlights the fact that they're murdering innocents.

The_Better_Paradox · 2024-04-27T22:14:39+00:00

Huh, I still find it weird how people support Palestine when Palestine literally started the war causing 35k people to die in the battle PALESTINE started.

Like, I don't care for your religious preference or whatever.
Who started the war? Palestine did.
War isn't black and white.
If you think this way, Palestine kind of dig it's own grave.
Then, you compare Israel vs palestine, and 30k palestine have died which makes you think that Israel has been a too brutal in its retaliation.

But then again, Hamas isn't a saint and would've upped its destruction if Israel backed down.

And let's not forget, Israel offered two-state solution which was rejected by Palestine.
This whole freaking war could've been avoided if Palestine accepted it.

It's not like you deserve a piece of land just for the sole reason of "my ancestors were present before you" like it's any valid reason.

Israel tried to avoid this war, which Palestine rejected.

The question of the hour is, who's really wrong?

Supporting one side of being a pro-one-side is stupid to me when war is where unfairness happens.

SensualOcelot · 2024-04-27T11:44:01+00:00

Zionists have been working very hard to convince the world this is a war against Hamas. Making the case that most of the men aren’t fighters is much more difficult given Israel’s extensive propaganda operations.

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