Men should support each other over everything else

PurplePillDebate-ModTeam · 2024-07-27T00:31:11+00:00

Removed for trolling incel rhetoric.

Judaicyrus · 2024-07-26T20:54:22+00:00

I agree but it's easier said than done. You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped. These men don't want to work to get a girl or work to become succesful. If I tell them to work out, eat healthy, broaden their interests and get educated I very often get either downvoted or get an excuse on why they won't do that. The core issue is they themselves have no standards and want women to lower theirs so they can get laid. It's pathetic really.

EDIT: Nevermind. Just realized OP just hates women and wants to vent.

SamuraiGoblin · 2024-07-26T23:18:32+00:00

Did you just unironically say all women are trash? That would make you a sexist arse, wouldn't it?

I'm a man and I don't think "women are trash." I judge every single issue on its own merits. Sometimes the man is in the wrong, and sometimes it's the woman. I call out arseholes for being arseholes, regardless of their identity. I don't go in for blanket bigotry.

"Never blame men" is as stupid and evil as "believe all women." They assume one sex can do no wrong, which is obviously bollocks.

leosandlattes · 2024-07-26T20:55:59+00:00

Honest question - how many men do you think will do this? How many men do you think will break the line the moment he's offered sex or a relationship?

Do the men who are currently successful care about equalizing the playing field?

fiftypoundpuppy · 2024-07-26T21:04:24+00:00

Never blame men ALL men deserve love. Women are trash.

You could have saved yourself the circle-jerking "receipts" which aren't actually proof of anything, just other men who agree with you and just said this.

And, spoiler alert: tons of men already do this, despite their lack of so-called "in-group bias." It's all over this sub. When women can't find men we want, it's because our standards are too high. When men can't find women they want, it's because women's standards are too high.

When women end up with shitty men, it's because we didn't choose better/"gina tingles." When men end up with shitty women, it's because they "have no choice" and "have to take what they can get."

Men not holding themselves accountable is routine and commonplace.

I'm also confused why men would want/"deserve" love from ::checks notes:: uh, "trash?"

MongoBobalossus · 2024-07-26T21:36:00+00:00

Lmfao, how about no.

You getting or not getting pussy is your responsibility, not anyone else’s. Good grief.

EqualSea2001 · 2024-07-26T20:52:53+00:00

I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to show, but some of these posts are from women not men…

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SupportRemarkable583 · 2024-07-26T20:49:50+00:00

The hard part about that is having the guys who get pussy to give a shit about other men's problems. You think a guy who gets dates or laid will give that up to help other men. Hell fucking no. You see men in this sub (mostly steroid douche) berate other men because they vent about their dating problems.

SaBahRub · 2024-07-26T21:01:59+00:00

They do, except they won’t share pussy

And usually want more than one

Zabadoodude · 2024-07-26T21:24:34+00:00

I agree that men need to form support groups where they can discuss their issues and get advice from a man's perspective with the man's best interests at heart. That's a large part of what close friendships are, and too many men lack these.

I disagree that we should give individual struggling men advice meant to shape society as a whole. It unfairly sacrifices them as a pawn towards some grand social engineering project. The most useful advice focuses on what they can do individually to improve. Wallowing in how difficult dating can be, doesn't actually help them.

Sargeras13 · 2024-07-26T22:15:54+00:00

There's a theory that men of the past didn't have as much mental health issues due to having male only communities from a young age, whether it be philosophy, military or agriculture, men had tight niche communities to give them a belonging. Men today don't have that, because life is mostly isolated for them, there's very little support or belonging to aid them in life.

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-07-26T23:45:32+00:00

Anecdotal. But each and every man who approached or propositioned me while knowing I was in each of my four long term relationships was a friend of the man I was seeing.

Heard the same from my friends. Men are far too competitive with one another and far too thirsty to be trusted with one another’s girlfriends and wives.

The number of married men who dogpile Ashley Madison supports my experience and discredits OP entirely.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-07-26T21:30:15+00:00

Every dude that’s not in your crew is competition.

Anyone that doesn’t get that doesn’t get IT.

TheRedPillRipper · 2024-07-26T21:10:10+00:00

There’s a ton of issues with this point of view; but I’ll stick to the central one;

We can all work together

Dating is not a group activity. So placing hope in ‘group’ action, is no way near as beneficial as taking individual action. I have no need for support, because my primary sense of hope, resides in my unwavering sense of self belief. Take for example this statement;

The bar is on the ground

It can be viewed negatively. That whatever one is doing isn’t getting results. So by definition, they aren’t good enough. That’s perfectly human. To be insecure. Feel inadequate etc.. It can also be viewed positively. That whatever one is doing currently, isn’t getting results, but, there is still so much more room to grow. This fact, isn’t a group wide issue. It resides solely upon the shoulders of the individual.

I’m all for men’s empowerment. Rising tides and all that. Ultimately though, there is only one captain per ship.

Godspeed and good luck!

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LaPrimaVera · 2024-07-27T00:10:57+00:00

Men should support eachother over everything else.

No, you should support people who share your values and who will support you. You personally might be okay with having to defend the actions of rapist incels but the majority of men don't actually agree with those people. It's exactly the same reasons women should not support women just because of their vagina.

There is a sense of hope of that, "Hey! Maybe women just don't know! If they learn/understand, then they would just want to naturally address double standards! As a group, we can fix these issues! We can all work together for our common good!"

Man you have some selective attention, so all of the men here advocating using and manipulating women, or forcing women to have sex with incels is are just trying to "fix issues for the common good"?

I could understand how someone in true poverty might feel justified supporting child support/alimony laws. I can't understand how modern women, who identify their own life as luxurious, are so machiavellian.

I have a good job, so does my husband. We both agreed to raise our daughter together and to put our money towards making a better life for both of us, but more importantly our daughter. If my husband decided to leave me one day, financially it wouldn't be an issue for me but what would be an issue is if he didn't follow through with raising and supporting the child he helped bring into the world.

I truly think men should focus on camaraderie between their male peers and focus on improving the quality of their own life.

Everyone should focus on improving their own life, within some logical limits.

Form a group of male peers that are also struggling. When you work together, you are much much more likely to succeed. Do not let other people, men or women, into the group after you reach success

Men should help and support other men, I 100% am for this. That said you should be going to someone who is successful in what you want in order to get advice in that. Ie, If you're a man who wants to get married, you're an idiot of you go to a single man in his 40s for relationship advice.

Never blame men

Blame the person who's at fault, again to go to the extreme you're very close to suggesting that all men should excuse the rapist.

Support men when men set standards for women

Everyone should have standards, you can't however say "my standards are valid, yours are not"

ALL men deserve love

No, no one deserves love. You deserve basic human rights. Love is not a right.

Women are trash.

Some women are trash, some men are trash. Humans don't operate as a hive mind.

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