Women get worse medical treatment than men?

macaroniinapan · 2024-09-19T02:33:18+00:00

Wait...she had an injury to her vagina and people want to compare how a man would have been treated differently? There is literally no way to meaningfully make a comparison here. I'm not saying she should or shouldn't have gotten different painkillers. Not a medical professional of ANY kind and I have NO CLUE. But if you're going to make these comparisons... wouldn't it make more sense to talk about a broken arm or something? (And of course compare apples to apples in other ways too.)

Suspicious-Sleep5227 · 2024-09-19T01:20:11+00:00

I don’t understand how anyone can tell if one sex is receiving better medical treatment than the other even on an anecdotal level. The US has privacy laws in place such as HIPPA and the Privacy Act of 1974 to prevent disclosure of this information.

deonteguy · 2024-09-19T02:23:53+00:00

Just a ridiculous claim. All of the women I know can get appointments even with a specialist pretty quickly. The male over 50 appointments at my GP are booked until early Jan.

Felarhin · 2024-09-19T00:26:16+00:00

Women account for the vast majority of medical spending. Men are much less likely to ask for help unless it's a life-threatening medical emergency. Though an injury like that might seem serious to the patient at the time, it likely did not constitute a life threatening emergency and might not warranted the use of strong pain killers. Not getting pushed in front of the man who is having a heart attack is not discrimination.

bIuemickey · 2024-09-19T02:17:43+00:00

I always see this about pain, but women receive 65% of total opioid prescriptions and use them for longer. Women who over 40 receive more than any other age group, and twice as many as men in their age group.

macaroniinapan · 2024-09-19T01:15:21+00:00

I suppose in individual cases it might sometimes be true but what I've seen more often is when the men in my family go to a female doctor and get treated like crap due to being male.

TheNattyJew · 2024-09-19T02:10:56+00:00

Some woman was claiming that men get oxy's for a vasectomy. Uh, sorry no. I got nothing but a local for my vasectomy

Eden_Company · 2024-09-19T00:15:49+00:00

There's always an under prescribing of pain killers. But even male clinicians treat their patients with this manner, if a male soldier is really in deep pain, he'll take it seriously. But the majority of the men in pain will go, No I'm fine.

Vegetable_Ad1732 · 2024-09-19T03:10:31+00:00

More spent in women’s healthcare – http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/96jun/cancer/kadar.htm

“In fact one sex does appear to be favored in the amount of attention devoted to its medical needs. In the United States it is estimated that one sex spends twice as much money on health care as the other does. The NIH also spends twice as much money on research into the diseases specific to one sex as it does on research into those specific to the other, and only one sex has a section of the NIH devoted entirely to the study of diseases afflicting it. That sex is not men, however. It is women.

IN the United States women seek out and consequently receive more medical care than men. This is true even if pregnancy-related care is excluded. Department of Health and Human Services surveys show that women visit doctors more often than men, are hospitalized more often, and undergo more operations. Women are more likely than men to visit a doctor for a general physical exam when they are feeling well, and complain of symptoms more often. Thus two out of every three health-care dollars are spent by women.”

Vivaelpueblo · 2024-09-19T07:03:45+00:00

I'm in UK and in my experience the situation is reversed, women's health is taken more seriously than men's. Obviously this is just based on personal experience and those of my male and female friends. However if you look at the statistics presented by William Collins in his book "The Illustrated Empathy Gap" he shows that expenditure on cancer treatment and research is skewed against men.

Lebaneseaustrian13 · 2024-09-19T08:35:21+00:00

Well firstly we don’t get stronger painkiller but it would make sense. We feel 10 times the pain then female do

CawlinAlcarz · 2024-09-19T00:27:21+00:00

One thing to remember is that a lot of physical trauma therapies and practices evolved from wartime medicine - where millions of men were the "test subjects." A lot of these practices from the mid 20th century and even earlier still inform current physical trauma therapies. It should come as no surprise that in a lot of cases, specific physiological differences of women are not as thoroughly taken into account (or even understood) simply due to the fact that we didn't see 10 million women die of treatable battle trauma to learn how to adequately treat them the way have men. That aside though...

There is some legitimacy to the claims that many drug trials and other types of therapies were intitially refined and/or normalized based on male test subjects/trials (though this is not as likely to be the case for pharmaceutical trials in the last 30 or so years).

In some cases, there are compelling arguments made that the male and female physiologies are different enough that some drug dosing information should/could be better refined for female patients which could potentially achieve better outcomes.

In particular, there are statistics that show women have both a higher incidence of heart disease, and higher mortality rates from heart disease, particularly post-menopausal women. I do not know if there has been any significant research about how to address this for post-menopausal women, whether new therapies are required, or more accurate administration of existing therapies is the trick, etc.

LateralThinker13 · 2024-09-19T00:36:04+00:00

Apparently now women aren’t taken seriously enough in healthcare and men get better medical treatment according to femcels. What even!?

Correlation isn't causation. I would suspect, knowing no other facts, that two factors contribute to this:

1) Men generally only go when they HAVE to. Women go a LOT more than men do. So they get seen as quite likely less important.

2) Assertiveness. Known biological difference between men and women. Assertiveness means you demand better care and attention; women, being biologically more passive, are less assertive and more trusting of authority to treat them well. Men demand better care.

That's what I think, anyways.

ConferenceHungry7763 · 2024-09-19T04:17:22+00:00

Every grievance is predominately a women’s issue, but, when you point out that it really is an “everyone” issue, then they respond with “this is a thread/forum/topic for women’s issues”. Women do not empathise with men; they do not give a shit about what affects men, especially when ignoring the other side can get them some special treatment.

Moist_Conclusion6483 · 2024-09-19T05:52:18+00:00

That’s a lie. I’ve been a paramedic 20 years plus and we don’t treat women differently. How does this stuff get started? It’s not even remotely true in our field 🤦‍♂️

Everyone is a victim now.

HiveMindKing · 2024-09-19T06:43:30+00:00

Insanely false, doctors, everyone really feel motivated and good helping women where as most guys are meaningless to them, offering no good feelings or motivation to help.

Lendari · 2024-09-19T04:01:43+00:00

Here are the facts.

Lifetime healthcare cost for a female are about 10% higher on average than for a male.

The gap between the life expectancy of a male and female in the US has widened from 4.8 years in 2010 to 5.7 years in 2019.

Issues like not being taken seriously by providers, lack of access to mental health care or being inconsistently prescribed narcotic pain treatment are gender neutral failures of western medicine and not exclusively "women's issues".

The logic feminists use to suggest that there is systematic discrimination of women by western healthcare systems relies on individual experience and pseudoscientific reasoning that picks out facts that confirm their position while ignoring contradictory data.

IntelligentAd228 · 2024-09-19T06:04:11+00:00

It’s good to look at studies rather anecdotes. Women are generally taken less seriously when it comes to symptoms and pain. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200008243430809

MembershipWooden6160 · 2024-09-19T03:42:25+00:00

Just make sure to check where the money is collected and you'll see it's men overwhelmingly funding the welfare programs, especially healthcare.

Then, to make it independent of supposed "wage gap" as a factor, just make sure to check where that money is spent: 1. who's benefactor in terms of government-subsidized healthcare programs (women taking well over 90%), 2. general spending per person (women taking over 75%, even when controlled for same age groups to avoid issues with women making up larger proportion of the elderly population), 3. even gender-specific medical research (with well over 95% of gender-specific research costs being spent on "women's" health issues and diseases).

xsxdfeesa · 2024-09-19T04:58:17+00:00

The NHS spends significantly more of the budget on female treatment. More room for error could be what is resulting In figures showing poorer outcome.

Hopeful-Sir-2018 · 2024-09-19T12:21:41+00:00

Apparently now women aren’t taken seriously enough in healthcare and men get better medical treatment according to femcels.

I can guarantee you - if a farmer shows up to the ER saying his chest hurts and his wife made him come up there - staff is going to treat him like he's actively dying. Mostly men refuse help. Women are more likely to show up with something trivial.

That being said, I had two hospitals miss the signs of a heart attack and write it off as drugs even though my UA was clean. Six bypasses later... "our bad". One hospital missed a chunk of my heart collapsing because "I was drunk" even though I had heart issues and showed them the scar. They refuse to investigate any further. Not even an IV was inserted. Just a "go home, you're just drunk".

Gee golly, why do men avoid hospitals? Because they're full of morons who can only treat things like GSW's that are obvious. Anything not horribly obvious is beyond hospitals capabilities it seems. But they'll charge your insurance a shitload of money for saying "nah, you're fine" though.

But I'm sure it's just an anomaly... surely, right?

ABBucsfan · 2024-09-19T04:40:37+00:00

I've heard this before and there could be some truth to it simply because men are known not to go to the doctor until something is really wrong.

Irs funny because the same people talking about women not being taken as seriously are probably the same people who say men benefit from marriage more. Id you get into it they will say married men live longer because their wives push them to actually see doctors and wouldn't on their own. Like you can't have it both ways here. Id you admit men don't go unless it's serious and sometimes too late the. You shouldn't be surprised if they are also taken mtie seriously imo. Docs do get a ton of people that waste their time.. ideally yeah they should take each patient seriously

HikuroMishiro · 2024-09-19T04:00:36+00:00

Unfortunately this isn't a new myth, but I feel like it has been repeated on social media a lot lately. Amazing how the 'women are wonderful' effect is everywhere but healthcare. Of course they don't believe in that phenomenon, which reduces the credibility of their assertion to zero. If 95% of those people said 'Obviously the 'patriarchy' is bullshit, women aren't marginalized, and actually men get screwed a bit in our society, but with this one specific issue women are actually facing a problem' it would give the notion more consideration.

Honestly I think 99% of this myth is just the same old same old 'Women are victims. Society bad.' mentality. However there are a few actual factors that contribute. The first is actually very related to that, and it's that some women (or any 'victim' group) automatically blames anything negative that happens to them on their being a woman (or whatever other status), every negative thing reinforces this mindset and anything that doesn't is ignored. If they go to the doctor 10 times and one time had a bad experience, it was because she was a woman! As others have mentioned women receive a lot more healthcare than men, and thus are more likely to have a bad experience at some point.

Men and women's bodies are different and body weight can be a factor in dosage. I don't know about stronger pain killers for men or how weight affects that, but if a 120 lb woman goes in because 'she doesn't feel good' and gets a single Tylenol and the 250 lb man next to her who just lost a hand in a chainsaw accident gets two Tylenol, she probably doesn't need to cry foul. Likewise since women go in more often and men tend to be more stubborn/wait until a problem is urgent, the more dire need of the male patient may be given priority.

I'm sure the people behind such myths have some sort of studies/statistics that back their assertion, but as we know they are masters of manipulating data, lying, and presenting misleading things. For instance men drive a lot more and thus get into more car accidents, men tend to do more dangerous jobs (and do stupid things for entertainment), more men overdose on drugs than women, etc. so all in all men are more likely to be in need of urgent care. It wouldn't surprise me if they have some statistic that shows 'men get treated right away, women have to wait longer' and the like, but it's a completely meaningless presentation of data.

mallorykeaton73 · 2024-09-19T00:33:15+00:00

Correct. Women are treated poorly.

ConferenceHungry7763 · 2024-09-19T13:08:09+00:00

Pretty sure an actual man complaining of a virginal injury would not get better treatment than a woman.

ElisaSKy · 2024-09-19T01:33:39+00:00

Honestly, painkillers fuck your body up something fierce. I know, I took some once, and if I never have to take some ever again, it'll be too soon. Maybe she's right, maybe a man would have been given stronger painkillers, but honestly? Maybe that's not a bad thing that docs are reluctant to pump you full of heart palpitating juice.

peppepcheerio · 2024-09-19T02:46:54+00:00

It's really case-specific and not something we can really claim one way or another. Women take longer to receive a diagnosis for pelvic or abdo pain--appendicitis, for example.

I feel like women's bodies have more things that can potentially go wrong, so more points of contact with health care, which then means there are more potentially bad experiences, and women being more keen to talk things out with others; there is more chance for the negative experiences to be heard.

There is research that shows that women aren't taken as seriously as men, but most of the research is specific and not necessarily reproducible, thus not the best quality.

black_orchid83 · 2024-09-19T11:51:55+00:00

When it comes to maternity care, yes. We get worse treatment. This is especially true for women of color. They are most affected by maternal deaths. Otherwise, I don't have enough information to form an educated opinion.

antsypantsy995 · 2024-09-19T05:14:17+00:00

Effect of painkillers is correleated with attributes like physical size. The bigger you are, the more painkillers you need to actually lessen the effect.

Women in general are smaller than men so it is 100% reasonable for the initial dosage of painkillers to be less than that given to a man.

Anaesthesia is exactly the same too: you need more drugs to sedate a 6ft5 100kg male body builder compared to a 5ft4 50kg female.

But of course none of that is important and the only thing that shows is that anaesthesists are sexist against women.

Title	Women get worse medical treatment than men?
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Date	September 19, 2024 12:09 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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