What’s it really like being a man in today’s workplace?

mrkpxx · 2024-11-03T12:46:31+00:00

Every interaction with a woman has become a dance on the slippery floor. A woman has the sovereignty to interpret everything a man does and says. When in doubt, the woman is always believed. The man is seen as a dysfunctional woman.

ASexualSloth · 2024-11-03T14:18:44+00:00

I work in construction manufacturing, and we were bought out by another company recently. They've brought in a lot of corporate crap, including a lot of policies that are, quite frankly, tone policing.

I'm very careful about who I discuss this with at work, but it's all very condescending. Promoting feelings and inclusivity and the hr definition of 'support', all while enforcing insanely low pay grades. It's incredibly hypocritical, and often times in direct conflict with it's own internal messaging.

I'm in a position that is somewhat stable, so I'm sticking it out until I hopefully get my home business off the ground. In this economy, especially in my country, I have no idea of it'll actually happen, but it keeps me going.

Aggressive_Handle574 · 2024-11-03T15:34:18+00:00

US work places for the past 10 years. I've seen female workers say to me they want men to die, don't need men, and openly admit to discriminating against them. I've brought a few of these up to HR and nothing was done. In one case the female HR rep said "That's the way others are treated."

I've considered recording work conversations because of this. It's been easier to drop out and focus on my own work.

mojogoshow · 2024-11-03T15:35:10+00:00

Women have full immunity in the workplace.

SarcasticallyCandour · 2024-11-03T13:33:15+00:00

I think men disappearing from things like biology, healthsci, teaching is to do with men avoiding women.

I studied biology and i mean every semester there was a karen, neurotic, disorganised, passive aggressive, absentee DEI female lecturer etc. Also obvious anti maleness from some of the students. Smug female lab demonstrators etc. Just non stop.

I look at it and think shit i wouldn't want to work with these women. I never see those problems in men. You get the asshole man but its not like 35%-40% of men in the office are impossible to work with. Where it is with women. The men were all ultra servile in the biology dept. This is not going to correct itself.

pizgloria007 · 2024-11-03T15:33:02+00:00

Some workplaces I have been part of that were women-led, definitely had a gender bias between women to keep men out of management.

BrilliantFirst8879 · 2024-11-03T15:34:17+00:00

It did cost pretty much everything from career, to personal and social lives. Female supremacy has literally become a business, rather, a monopoly in the name of equality.

I am afraid to have conversations with women, she can play her vulnerable card and win or can counter in the name of equality, law or feminism.

Getting a job these days has become almost impossible as a man even if you are experienced, again due to reservations for women. Its like another category of reservations implemented.

They still complain about their rights in careers, influential positions and whatnot. I mean, in a female-superior society already? How could you? And what's worse, they are seen, heard and their desires accepted. And why do they call it rights?

Why is it leading to misandry? It does not have to. Men do everything yet the credit and reward goes to women. No offense intended to women.

Yet, we are still seen as providers with extremely high expectations.

Why do we still feel patriarchy when all we hear is feminism around us? And we do not get rewarded anyway like we used to in a patriarchal society.

This is not what we envisaged.

doggonedangoldoogy · 2024-11-03T16:36:39+00:00

It's working ten times as hard and being expected to perform menial tasks outside your role for 75% of the pay. It's being held accountable for everyone else's mistakes. It's being expected to manage your manager. It's being forced to accept harassment, abuse, and misandry. It's being told to be patient with incompetent employees, while receiving no patience in return. It's being called on for everything others can't do, and being tucked out of sight afterward to appear progressive. It's all of the work and none of the credit. It's being told to shut up by people who can't stop talking.

That's what it's like.

InstructionNo8404 · 2024-11-03T14:09:50+00:00

I think is really hard to get a job in white caller work as a man these days. I work in corporate sales and it’s pretty much all women, and getting this job was such a damn grind it’s not even funny.

I sell medical devices and before this I was in b2b automotive sales and I was top 10 in sales in Ontario (where I’m from), and I remember this spot opened up for a senior account executive and my coworker who was ranked 67 in sales in Ontario (still amazing) got reached out my HR to apply for this position and I only found out it was opened because she told me this. Her and I competed and after 6 long interviews I got it and it’s crazy how it was a hard choice for them.

I’ve literally been presidents club everytime and she made it once, but our manager literally had a one on one interview with me after the long interview telling me how they want women to be in that specific position and even tho I’m the better sales person, I should accept the fact that she’s probably gonna get it.

Now I did end up getting it, it was literally because I was willing to commute and she wasn’t.

But the fact that she was even a consideration over me because she’s just a woman is Ludacris.

Now on top of this, when it comes to just getting hired in sales, in 2024 it’s way easier for a woman to get hired.

I date a lot and I always go out with this early 20s girls working in software sales or medical sales and nearly every single one of them told me they hate their job and got it cus some recruited hit them up on linked in.

Meanwhile, myself as well as my boys who are passionate sales people who’ve been in sales 5+ years can’t get a software or medical sales job for the life of them.

Now I did end up getting the medical sales job, after going through 6 interviews, getting rejected. Then two months later they contacted me and offered me the job because the start of their fiscal year was approaching and one of their account managers randomly quit and they didn’t have time to do more interview.

I’ve been absolutely killing it since I started. Sold 30k my first week which I was told is something they’ve never seen before.

Now what’s interesting is, when you explore the offices of these corporate sales job, the entire HR department is comprised of mid 20s to mid 30s white women who have some degree in the liberal arts and are are self proclaimed feminists.

These women are LITERALLY the overseers of every fucken office and they’ve been indoctrinated to believe the patriarchy has been holding them back and that men make more money because so, and I believe this inspires them to over look males and try to hire women as some form of retribution.

In my particular office this fucken HR team run everything. They always have these dumb celebrations and even have control over the coffee, snack and drinks in our office.

Just this past week, I went into the office lunch room and saw there was zero coffee. I was told I have to go ask Olivia some HR girl for it and when I asked her she already got annoyed and went into tone office shut the door and got it and told me they’ve been keeping hold of the coffee because some people been over doing it.

So instead of just sending some email telling the staff that we all need to be more understanding and not drink too much coffee to save some from others they literally decided to hide it. 🤦🏿

Not just that, these chick’s literally have all this control, meanwhile I’m the one who sells the medical devices and pays their fucken salary. It annoys me.

They also act like children. There’s always drama like their in the movie meangirls. One girl in HR quit because she claimed the other hr girls bullied her and gossiped too much and claimed they gossiped about the entire office. These are grown adult women and they fucken have full control over who gets hired and everything else and only even get money because people like me grind and making commissions, and they end up over looking qualified candidates to fit their backwards radical feminist agenda

jack_avram · 2024-11-03T16:29:05+00:00

I've seen 90% of coworkers replaced entirely by women in several tech jobs - the pressure on men only grew more extreme to quit as their numbers dwindled. Tech jobs with mostly software engineers replaced by favoritism. A lot of cheek turning at blatant hostile ad hominem of one's inherent characteristics, gaslighting, hostile attitudes. A real disgusting lack of basic common decency and social manners towards the men to be quite honest. Behaviors no mature adults should be engaging in a professional environment, good lord. Even some clients that I was told refused to work with any men at all. Web design. Is it really that terrible having gender diversity?

pillchangedmylife · 2024-11-03T17:46:06+00:00

Most of Europe is Gynocentric in every sphere of life. White women are first class citizens. Everyone else is second class. Said as a black man (a man and black so I'm like 4th class citizen).

WellWrested · 2024-11-03T19:26:38+00:00

I work in tech (software dev). Over the last 5 years or so, men have been increasingly seen as pariahs for wanting any type of advancement or success. I work for a fortune 500 company and 80-90% of the managers are women, because the department policy is very clearly to promote from within and to promote women.

We hired two junior developers, one is a man the other is a woman. As expected, all the good assignments go to the woman. The man is feeling (rightly) like he's been screwed and left out to dry with no chance for career development. I am shifting to a position in the team to sort of oversee his growth (Im not a manager or close) and was warned about his "attitude". It turns out that when I work with him and find ways to actually help him develop, he has no "attitude". I have tried explaining that the only way she will let me support his development makes for a horrible career. I think she knows this and likes it--she absolutely refuses to tolerate any deviations (she knows about) from her course.

Beligerent · 2024-11-03T16:35:26+00:00

Im 52 now but I think back to my 20’s in the 90’s and I had several female supervisors in my youth and they all used the fact that I was a guy to get different tasks done by me that were never assigned to women. When I was a cook in a restaurant I was always the one to shovel the walkways, to walk the ladies to their cars in the dark, to lift this or drag that.

Tiny-General-3700 · 2024-11-04T00:03:48+00:00

I used to work with a woman who would get super flirty with me. We both seemed to really like each other, she would spend as much time as she could being near me, always being touchy-feely and making suggestive hints. It got to the point where people were noticing we were spending more time chit chatting and playing around than working, and giving us a lot of side-eye looks. I'm not the type to initiate anything like that, especially not at work. I'm very shy and reserved. Basically she didn't have any self-control and I was starting to worry it would become a problem.

So I told her she needed to knock it off or else we were both going to get in trouble. I thought I was doing the right thing and being professional. Well, it turns out she thought I was going to go to HR and complain about her, so she decided to preempt me by going and reporting me for making "unwanted sexual advances". I explained everything to them, I was entirely truthful.

Well, they believed her story over mine and fired me the next day. This is the sort of power women have over men in the modern world. They can do whatever they want and get away with it, because those in positions of authority will always believe a woman and assume a man is lying.

Themightysavage · 2024-11-03T13:49:09+00:00

I work in what could be referred to as the last bastion of workplace masculine safety. The Trades. Specifically railroad equipment maintenance. Our HR has women, Legal has women, manpower has women, Cleaning has women. But when it comes to turning wrenches on hard gravel or concrete in rain and snow. The crafts are 99% men. We know how good we have it and we try to keep it that way.

Gold-Protection7811 · 2024-11-03T15:45:25+00:00

It's a lot more constrained as people have to be more politically correct, which I believe stifles conversation and innovation. Further, at my job as a software developer, one key performance indicators we have is for gender diversity in higher level roles, and I have seen several women promoted to positions far beyond their competency.

My personal belief is that women and men hold slightly different moral and hierarchical structures: women value fairness, equality, while men value competency moreso because of personal benefits. Likewise, large-scale introduction of women into the workforce seems to have shifted the emphasis away from competency and more towards equality. I believe while this is peddled as a moral good, the ulterior motive is the subtle benefit of women in masse to the detriment of merit.

Independent-Put-3047 · 2024-11-03T12:48:56+00:00

I had a recent encounter with something called the POSH act for safety of women at workplace. In my previous Job (6 months ago) there was a graphic designer who used to like his team leader. His team leader was a Lesbian and would often take swings at other woman in the office saying completely NSFW stuff. But when this guy went and told her that he liked her she filed a sexual harrasment complaint against him. The POSH committee had him removed from the job when what he did was completely harmless. There even was proof of his innocence but no one cared. He lost his job since he was comparatively new.

Practical_Example_73 · 2024-11-03T20:24:21+00:00

I quit and decided to drive a truck all by myself in order to avoid women.

j0sch · 2024-11-03T18:46:46+00:00

Every interaction is high stakes in a way it never was before and shouldn't be.

I'm a normal, well-meaning person yet feel like I am always on egg shells having to second doubt everything I say or do both beforehand and afterward.

It's also very regular to hear about candidates for jobs needing to be a woman, especially at leadership levels, despite women already being the majority at leadership and managerial levels. This has led to some awful hiring of people who are either incompetent or very disliked. There are plenty of qualified and over qualified candidates who happen to be women, but the women-focus has led to terrible hiring decisions. Some teams became 90%+ women in a short period of time and every guy I'm friends with on those teams is miserable and wants to quit due to the cliquey environment that excludes them... one leader apparently even addresses the entire team as 'Ladies.'

rabel111 · 2024-11-04T00:38:04+00:00

The organisation I work for have an equity and diversity department that aims to address the inequity experienced by women in employment and workplace experience.

Now our workforce is 70% women, our management is 52% women, our equity and diversity department is celebrating their achievement, and aiming to make further gains for women.

Mean while, my experiences as a man in the place are ignored. No one cares that men are being actively excluded from employment, management and promotions, on the basis of their sex alone.

The aim of equity in our workplace appears to be the extinction of men in the workplace. The safe work environment appears to be an environment where there are no men. I continue in my employment because I keep my ideas to myself, do not complain when I am abused, harassed, assaulted or made to feel unsafe/uncomfortable, and do not interact meaningfully with anyone (esp women) in the workplace.

LouisdeRouvroy · 2024-11-04T04:34:16+00:00

UK film-director seeking input for documentary. (...)
We want to hear your candid stories.

How much do you want to bet that all the stories told will be prefaced with a "Here are some example stories of men losing their privileges and lamenting the end of patriarchy. These weaklings do not want to man up and cry like babies."?

EdgarStClair · 2024-11-03T14:31:52+00:00

This is the kind of question I’d like to be sincere.

OTOH it can be risky to answer and maybe a trap? Enough detail to explain subtleties of a situation to make it interesting to other people would make it possible to identify individuals.

walterwallcarpet · 2024-11-04T10:41:15+00:00

I worked in a STEM environment for three decades. Initially an all male meritocracy - all good. Then, quota placements started. Eventually, I found myself 'encouraged' to hand over projects (on which I'd expended blood, sweat & tears) to prop up the failing careers of female scientists. When this became ridiculous, I dug my heels in, and the verbal warnings started. Then, the written warnings, because I wasn't a 'team player'. This wasn't team play, this was plagiarism, pure and simple. Everyone had to pretend that these projects originated from the women, and therefore only they would be rewarded. There were other dirty tricks too, like a female manager in charge of biological evaluation manipulating data in favour of her boyfriend's molecules. (He'd promised her that he'd leave his wife.)

It reached a stage where the only way I could hurt them was to quit, taking the secrets of my projects with me. I can't pretend that I'm not still bitter. I lost out on ten further years in a job which I really enjoyed, and for a time, much of life's purpose.

That was the Imperial Chemicals Industries of 1997 - 2003, when I finally quit. ICI was once Britain's largest manufacturing company.... reduced to zero by lies and manipulations. I kept a diary, because the dirty tricks were incredible.

marchingrunjump · 2024-11-03T12:51:18+00:00

One thing I’ve noted, is that the number of wild-cards available are way fewer for men.

There will always be the “alpha” types (for lack of a better word) with slick hair and a huge self confidence. They loove to be the chivalrous men helping promising women ahead. So, the wild cards are offered for these pet-employees.

mhk23 · 2024-11-03T15:48:09+00:00

Rollo Tomassi would be the premier source of understanding what the problem is now in the workplace and how we got here:

https://www.youtube.com/live/9CGduTEpTgw?feature=shared

NegativeKarmaFarma5 · 2024-11-04T02:04:12+00:00

At 17 and having 1 job, I’ve been slapped on the arse by a female had sexual comments made about me by a much older female, while my boss (who is also female) was sat with us and proceeded to say “I’ll pretend like I didn’t hear that” and much more minor inconveniences related to my sexual organ and gender. It disappoints me to have inconsiderate self centred women say they’re the victims to these sorts of situations, yet in my case I’ve never been the persecutor and have always fallen victim.

My sister who works on security at the same place as me has opened up about how she gets verbally abused, me and my dad tried speaking to her because her mindset was that all men are awful, my dad and myself were arguing the opposite (bearing in mind this is coming from verbal abuse from a guest at our workplace where she works security) so to pin this on men in particular really annoyed me as security often get verbally abused no matter where they work, it’s part and parcel. She ended up going to her room crying.

I on the hand have never in my mind said something misogynistic, or done something misogynistic and yet am still falling victim to females including my sister labelling me as an awful person because of the actions of other people. I don’t understand this double standard and it doesn’t get addressed enough.

There’s biological downsides, in the world we live in now to both genders, a big one that should be and could be dealt with if people took action is education. It’s common knowledge women mature quicker than men, and because of this their frontal lobe forms quicker than males giving them a biological advantage in school. As we all know school is almost always the key to a successful career and life. Now see what happens if people have a bias when hiring employees, a woman and a male both given equal opportunities will not have the same result. Therefore this bias that already sways toward women is going to be enhanced by the education system that lets men down.

RedPillCereal · 2024-11-03T12:52:12+00:00

I thought about this a while back. And outside of a 3 month seasonal job I had after I left the military? I’ve literally never worked with or alongside a woman in about 20 years.

So, I’ve never once had the kinds of issues men bring up about “women in the workplace.”

My advice to guys worried about workplaces with women? Get into engineering or dangerous type of jobs. Working nights also decreases your chances of working with women and almost always pays more.

Trail_of_Jeers · 2024-11-03T15:59:11+00:00

75% sure I'm being passed over because of my race and gender. It's so bad 3 people have transitioned

Huffers1010 · 2024-11-04T02:34:31+00:00

I'm only here because I was essentially thrown out of my union over this stuff (no, it didn't affect me professionally in the slightest, I just don't do much voluntary work anymore).

Successful_Video_970 · 2024-11-04T04:37:23+00:00

What about clubs that men used to escape to like sports clubs. They have been overthrown by woman. I can’t even go and support my own team anymore. I won’t coach. Other coaches are quitting. They take over and control. Men can’t be bothered with this behaviour. If you call it out. You’re gaslit.

craprapsap · 2024-11-04T09:02:21+00:00

Is there a time limit on your documentary ? Because my NDA will end soon and boy do I have a story for you.

Sam__Toucan · 2024-11-04T14:05:14+00:00

In my experience in the financial sector, there is a lot of talk and visible DEI, but much less substance.

For example my company decided to put names and headshots of our senior managers on the website. Initially it was supposed to be all Senior VPs and above however there were too many men and not enough women. So they took some of the men off and included women who were less senior instead. Also they put the women near the top of the page so they were more visible.

What the company did NOT do was replace qualified men with unqualified women in the senior roles. At the end of the day we need to run the business and it's not worth failing a multi-million project just to get DEI points.

RadiantRadicalist · 2024-11-04T05:42:41+00:00

Not sure if I belong this but I'm pretty sure I can explain(to an extent. a limited extent I'm not a psychologist.)

Think back to that time where suddenly there we're more women participating in higher education,

Coagulations due to the lack of men entering into said "Advanced" positions and becoming college-educated there was a fair bump of women which took there place which as time seems to go on there is more and more to the point most Industries involving a need for some form or type of College degree are Mainly female-dominated as such the majority of workers/Potential employee's become female, which then get hired, which as time goes on get into higher positions, Which makes it harder for men to get into higher positions.

Now I want you to think back to a certain study which was conducted in 2015-2013 if I believe correctly. it was trying to figure out why there was a sudden rise of Online toxicity within gaming and decided to use Halo 3's multiplayer and found it that Men who were bad at the game we're more hostile towards Women/Men with feminine-like voices as opposed to being submissive towards other Men who were better at the game then them alongside having more Masculine voices but these Men weren't aggressive towards the Women Nor the Men with feminine-like voices.

The study concluded it had something to do with status "When a Female is introduced into a Male-Dominated hierarchy the Males at the risk of losing the most status attempt to push them out"

I believe there is a reverse of this. "If a Male is introduced into a Female-Dominated Hierarchy the Females at the risk of losing the most status attempt to push them out".

That's what seems to be happening. For example, healthcare is becoming Female dominated (At least in the US.) around 75% of it I think is about Female, meaning as a woman you are more likely to be promoted as opposed to a man no matter how Skilled you are.

I believe the reason for this is because the Introduction of a Male into a Female-dominated Hierarchy Leads to most women at the risk of losing status. It generally doesn't matter which (Nor does the male actually need to be physically attractive. if he's good at his job then he's going to go places because companies promote based upon how good you are at your current, not next job.) Hence he's a threat to around 90% of the women there. and there career's since his introduction accidently created a 4th tier within the Hierarchy.

Hierarchy seems to be something like this.

Matriarch(Boss)

Lesser Matriarchs(Secretaries, etc.)

Patriarch(You/Male Minority)

Inferiors(every other Woman in the workplace)

of which the patriarch is a Unique one because it can shift from whatever point it wants to. basically speaking a lot of men within the trades state that the women which go into it tend to be better at there jobs they then are.

So is it illogical to assume that the men which go into this female-dominated workplace may be better then the women there?. I think not.

So I speculate Or theorize that the reason why Both genders hire there respective gender over the other more is because of the human desire for Unity/Social cohesion.

If your a man in a female dominated steel factory you won't see a lot of men within lower positions you will see them in higher one's (Hence why there are always a significant amount of Male doctors but few Male nurses.) it's because you don't see a lot of your own content with there position, which means you as a whole are not content with your position meaning you will ultimately attempt to get a higher position. Threatening the female managers position as opposed to a woman who will see many of her own content in there position and as such stay within said position.

Hope this helps!

win_win_chick_din · 2024-11-04T06:36:15+00:00

Am the manager of a team in Norway. My team is mostly women and we were sitting together at lunch (Norwegian work style is to eat lunch together) and one of my team (an female from an Asian country) was complaining about her Norwegian husband and stating to the group that he shouldn’t say anything and didn’t have a right to say anything about x situation because he was part of the problem “white middle aged straight man”… I, a white middle aged straight man, tried to gently point out that this was not appropriate because it’s technically (among other things!) racist.. which led to the one other guy at the table jumping to her defence and saying that is not what racism is.. and then an extremely awkward back and forth which essentially ended with me having to apologise to the woman for upsetting her. I don’t think it’s necessarily only a man/woman thing but also a generational thing of entitlement and extreme sensitivity to “triggers”.. it feels as though many of the younger employees today expect to never be offended or put into challenging situations. By contrast my female manager (based in another country) introduced me to the team of management on my first ever group zoom call with “finally we have a good looking man in the team”.. which I laughed off at the time but let me know the type of incongruity I could come to expect from working with her.. the hypocrisy is rife nowadays across the board in the fight for equality between sexes (which, for the record, I fully embrace as a principle)

Isair81 · 2024-11-04T11:27:32+00:00

No, but as a single man with no kids I’m expected to work overtime when my female collegues are home sick, multiple times a week.

WhereProgressIsMade · 2024-11-04T19:25:23+00:00

I've been at the same fortune 500 company for 25 years now in the engineering department. Yeah, the company pays lip service to the whole DEI thing, but it's still primarily the best candidate gets the job/promotion, thankfully. Both in my observations and when I've been part of the team doing interviews and making a hiring decision.

The main thing that's changed is when I started there was more group hang outs among fellow employees. My department would go downhill skiing a couple times a year for example. Have a picnic in the summer or make a softball team to play in a league and things like that. Now, more people just do some small talk but don't really try to develop friendships anymore and mostly just eat their lunch at their desk by themselves. In some ways I miss it, in other ways I'm fine with just keeping things professional.

I've had female project managers, co-workers, junior engineers reporting to me, etc. without ever having any problems that seemed related at all to their gender. And the same for minorities.

Heytaxitaxii · 2024-11-06T10:16:33+00:00

Well for a different perspective, as a woman in todays workplace, it’s hostile. Constant micro aggressions and harrasment. Stereotyping and undervalued.

Grand-Juggernaut6937 · 2024-11-07T00:00:14+00:00

Last year when interest rates rose, 75% of the people laid off were men, and if they weren’t men they were Asian. And this was in an office that was already predominantly women or non-asian minorities.

So basically just straight up sexual and racial discrimination is out in the open and it cost me my job, but who on earth is going to believe that?

shizmobaggins · 2024-11-03T13:52:26+00:00

Promotions come easier

shizmobaggins · 2024-11-03T13:55:27+00:00

Period breaks give us about 2 extra hours per year of work time

shizmobaggins · 2024-11-03T13:52:06+00:00

We get paid more

shizmobaggins · 2024-11-03T13:52:19+00:00

People listen to us more

According-Coast-4785 · 2024-11-03T13:53:29+00:00

Mostly we look for a closet to do a circle jerk

According-Coast-4785 · 2024-11-03T14:03:00+00:00

We have to put the toilet seat down

Title	What’s it really like being a man in today’s workplace?
Author	marchingrunjump
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Date	November 3, 2024 12:40 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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