Are Young People Shooting Themselves In The Foot?

BobtheArcher2018 · 2025-12-12T22:37:46+00:00

The jury is still out on exactly what is happening right now. But a sexual marketplace where from teens to 30 women fuck around with a relatively small group of hotter guys leaving too many men out of the game, and then women who can't land the hot guys pair off with the rejected guys in their 30s is unacceptable to males.

OkOutlandishness6370 · 2025-12-13T00:34:47+00:00

Idk OP, young people are historically not known for their tendency to blindly listen to their elders and just have their opinions downloaded into their heads for them.

Young people are rebellious. They think for themselves. They are not retards who just allow anything to take over their brain and rot it. Most of them form their opinions through experience. Thank god for this btw, otherwise millenials with their screeching intolerance of divergent opinions would create a totalitarian state to rule in perpetuity and silence all original thought.

Anyway.

It could actually be that dating is just qualitatively, objectively worse than it was in previous generations. Whether worse for men, women or both I leave as an exercise to the reader. And if that's the case then the "radicalization" you're seeing is just acceptance of the new reality.

PattayaVagabond · 2025-12-12T23:06:47+00:00

THe manosphere isnt whats radicalizing people. Its their experience in high school/college where only the top chads get all the girls. And then they look for reasons why they feel so lonely and hopeless. Without the manosphere giving reassurance and a path forwards you would see a lot more violence, shootings, gang activity etc.

aslfingerspell · 2025-12-13T01:04:51+00:00

My main theory is that women simply aren't as attracted to men in general as men are attracted to women in general. Simply put, testosterone is a heck of a drug and men just have a lot more. I really do think that beneath all the culture war noise it really is that biologically simple. Men are hungry, and (most) women are (in general) just not as hungry.

Reading about the experiences of transgender people seems to confirm to me that hormones have a far larger effect on our psychology and physiology than I thought: the testosterone and estrogen have huge effects before someone fully "passes" as their gender, and thus receives the "socialization" of the opposite sex. If it was about the social norms you were brought up with, then the hormones would be afterthoughts.

A lot of other theories seem way too focused on the present, and not on history.

Living with parents? Multigenerational households are a norm in many times and places. The idea that every adult needs to independently live on their own piece of property is a very recent economic and cultural ideal.

Political polarization? Everyone from literal capital C-Communists to capital N-Nazis have had sex. People in the midst of actual revolutions, plagues, and wars have had sex. The human race does not lose its sex drive because some people are conservative, least of which because conservative women exist too. (i.e. conservatives seem more willing to date liberals and a lot of men might not care about a woman's politics, so the idea of "politics ruining dating" generally seems to imply that conservative men are repulsive to liberal women)

Trauma? Infant and child mortality alone means that having a child or sibling die, a life-altering trauma for someone in a modern first-world country, would have been routine back then. This is to say nothing of all the child abuse, spousal abuse, marital rape, non-marital rape, warfare, more open bigotry, less civil rights, etc people in the past faced.

Economics? Sure, "late capitalism" and "enshittification" sucks but we are not coal miners or Victorian bakers whose own lungs are failing from all the flour they are inhaling. We have, however inadequate, some workers' rights, health and safety regulations, minimum wages, and so on. Earning minimum wage at Starbucks or taking a decade to pay off student loans in an air-conditioned office is not as bad as going into a coal mine or being a literal medieval peasant.

Lack of social skills? Eh, social skills are culturally subjective. I'd be perfectly fine with someone who just does "parallel play" by silently reading with me in the same room. Social skills can be attractive but "shy" or "introverted" are categories to play into, not pure disadvantages.

Scary-Mouse4817 · 2025-12-12T22:54:11+00:00

Yep. But for some reason we as a society only talk about the toxic ideas infiltrating the minds of boys.

Why is their an "adolescent" miniseries but not a miniseries on how your daughter becomes a onlyfans sloot?

Where is the discussion about the poison infecting the minds of girls?

TheOneWhoThinketh · 2025-12-12T22:36:41+00:00

When we start looking at stats for people in their 30s, though, there are suddenly a lot more men in relationships. Is the whole problem that women find a huge percentage of men undatable, to the point that young men should be prepared for that reality?

Yes.

People in their 30s being in relationships doesn't mean that those relationships will work out, that those relationships are what these men would have preferred in their 20s, or that these men are dating women the same age as them.

What it often ends up meaning is that these men either settled for women they wouldn't otherwise be in a relationship with, or that these men made themselves more appealing to women outside of their age demographic (both upwards and downwards). Statistically, however, women are still in more relationships than men are (don't ask me how, this is just based on self-reporting).

In regards to your main point, the internet and social media have resulted in two things:

People now have access to others' opinions and experiences regarding a variety of topics, including but not limited to gender and dating
Many, if not all, formative experiences occur not in private but online where they carry a risk of being exposed to the public at large.

What young people see online is crazy, fake, superficial, and provocative content, but what they don't see is the normal, routine, personal and boring nature of reality.

Because of this, the ones who are aware of this disparity between the online world and reality actually have an advantage in dating compared to their peers, because they don't suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect: they understand that everything they see online is not reality. At the same time, they come to understand the nature of echo chambers far more quickly than the generations before them did and are less susceptible to propaganda that doesn't benefit them in any way.

What you are seeing is a clash between the lower IQ segments of society that cling to trash culture because they see it as part of their own identity. Men (and women) who don't formulate their identity around one particular subculture will be forced to reconcile their own experiences with those of others, and be able to deduce what the other gender seeks. In fact, now more than ever it's been laid bare in front of them; the choice is theirs to use it or lose themselves to it.

UnarmedRespite · 2025-12-13T23:39:41+00:00

It might be that this is generational and so when the current 20yo’s reach 30’s they will still be single

Patrickstarho · 2025-12-14T10:43:55+00:00

No, the older generations have no idea what the fuck is going on but since they are older they think there view is correct. It’s not.

These things resonate for a reason and it’s not because the liberal pc slop of whatever the fuck you think it is. It’s reality.

toasterchild · 2025-12-12T21:48:31+00:00

There were a number of years when young people angry about their bleak future stated getting mad at Wallstreet and billionaires and money in politics. If nothing was done there was no way the status quo could be maintained.

Then suddenly all the content started getting pushed to gender war bait and reasons to hate immigrants. Anger is easy to sell and if you get them young all the better. This is the scapegoat generation.

WanabeInflatable · 2025-12-13T00:36:56+00:00

First of all Manosphere does not exist. This is an artificial construct invented by feminists to bundle together all the male resources online. These men (and women!) have nothing in common and would disagree about everything.

Nevertheless it is much easier to cry misogyny and discredit when someone is associated with incels and Andrew Tate.

Gender equality that's not feminism or male emancipation from the gender roles poses a threat to ideological monopoly of feminism, so they thought to discredit it.

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kvakerok_v2 · 2025-12-13T16:03:42+00:00

No, the main pipeline is: tiktok brain rot => spike in gold digging whores + entitled unbearable women => men dating less => men trying to figure out WTF is going on => men discovering red pill => men getting laid or stuck in the anger phase.

I'm sure there's tiktok brain rot for men too, but women are much more prone to consuming it. I'm sure other socials have their versions of tiktok brain rot too.

If you ever ask me how to fix it, I'd say shitcan all socials. Within a 5-10 years things will be back to normal for growing generation. The old one will stay fucked up tho.

Aggressive_Spend3519 · 2025-12-12T23:10:26+00:00

Men and women are in a deadlock.

If men were consistently approaching and asking women out in the proper way despite women's current apprehension about it then over time we will see women being far more receptive to men because she knows that there will not be bad outcomes. This would cause women to become more warm and open to men, who will feel less lonely. However, asking men, especially developmentally stunted men, to be prodigal socialites/flirts with infinite patience and zero ego for extended periods of time is a huge ask.

On the flipside, if women were more receptive of male attention and, god forbid, sought it out then men would have more exposure and experience with women and they would become more competent and learn what is ok and not ok behavior, which would collectively better men and make them more attractive to women. Which, of course, would lead more women to be interested in engaging with men. Asking women to do this though, means asking her to put up with legitimate risks from bad actors where the possibility of violence from someone far stronger than her is non-trivially high.

But who is gonna start? Do we expect men to suffer a streak of cold and sometimes cruel rejection for the sake of women? Do we expect women to open themselves up to the risk of malicious men whom are accountable to nobody? IDK it's all fucked up I wish I had the answer so I could just do it myself and not think about this shit anymore.

I'm so fucking sick of big tech being our matchmaker I wish we could trash it. It's seriously the only reason why the "80/20" rule exists. Women are attracted to men who prove themselves and there's no way for a man to prove himself in this terminally online hell world except be hot. The only way for a man to prove himself to a woman in this freak world is just to be photogenic because that's the only meaningful way women are interacting with men now. No other quality matters because no woman will entertain a man otherwise to find out what he has to offer.

FitnessBeth · 2025-12-13T00:44:13+00:00

I think it's best not to date anymore.

Personally if I had the choice to go back, I never would've dated at all and focused on building platonic community instead.

I don't see a way forward with the manosphere, it's just too widespread at this point.

Title	Are Young People Shooting Themselves In The Foot?
Author	Next-Character-2027
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Date	December 12, 2025 3:17 AM UTC (7 months ago)
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