I started a discussion on here because I asked if there is actually no way to pick up a woman who isn't interested in you. It's just a numbers game. You keep asking women out and hope that one is interested enough in you that you can get their number. No amount of "game" can actually help you if they aren't interested in you at least a little (physically).

So the question is... doesn't that mean that looksmaxxers and incels kinds right? It's a scary thought. I'm no supporter of guys like Clavicular, but if the first paragraph is true, then what exactly is he doing wrong? If the goal is to increase your odds of dating and if "seduction" is just a confidence trick to get you past the fear of rejection, then looksmaxxing isn't just a good idea, it's essential.

But for me, the scariest thing is that if this is also true, then the blackest parts of the blackpill are also true; looks are the first and hardest barrier to get over, and without it, no amount of charm, wit, or talent will get you past it.

Now I'm not saying let's all get nose jobs and become misogynists, but the core of their ideas is sound, and I don't think it gets talked about enough.