So seduction isn’t real it’s a numbers game?

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vardarac · 2026-06-10T10:24:53+00:00

It is and it isn't.

Social skills are learned. Emotional resilience is in ways a skill. Flirting is a skill. Logistics is a skill.

Good combinations of those things will not magically make a person who isn't attracted to you, attracted. In rare cases you might get someone to see you in a different light than they were initially open to, but it's often easier to just jump to the next person to try again.

But what these skills will do is, they will help you find those people who are attracted to you, and help you connect to them and keep you from repelling them. Learning them makes the number grinding more efficient and the quality of your connections better.

norwegiandoggo · 2026-06-10T10:28:21+00:00

If basketball skills were real, you should be able to hit the basket with every shot. Right?

No.

Seduction skills are real, and it's also a numbers game. Because skills are never perfect, and there are many other factors outside your control. Like whether she finds you physically attractive or not - is largely due to taste and not something that you can control much. But some part are within your control. Just like any other skill in any other sport, being a stand-up comic (as an example of social skills), or similar.

Seduction skills reduce the number of shots you need to take to score.

confused_8357 · 2026-06-10T10:29:31+00:00

U cannot control anyones behavior or predict the future , this game is based on feelings.

You need 3 things 1) high volume ( take as many shots as u can ) 2) indifference ( outcome indpenedence) 3) being forward ( not being timid)

United-Implement-382 · 2026-06-10T12:12:39+00:00

That’s a wild take. Seduction is absolutely real. You can’t pull every woman. You can just pull the women who are interested from the start. Seduction won’t work if a woman has absolutely no interest in you.

Independent-Bad218 · 2026-06-10T10:28:04+00:00

Not really. Seduction is real for the simple reason you can always lose a set.

Read here for what seduction is, and here for the development stages.

The fact that you “can’t win them all” doesn’t deny skill and artistry.

Especially dont discount that quality, terms of relationship and speed of seduction vastly improve in your favour with skill.

jsbach123 · 2026-06-10T11:09:35+00:00

It's real and it's a numbers game.

Why can't they both be true?

OpinionThink481 · 2026-06-10T11:25:58+00:00

Seduction is not really about trying to get women to like you even if that can be a relevant consequence of it.

Seduction is about what type of man you want to be, which is an often forgotten question many men forget to ask themselves.

When you finally know who you are and what type of man you want to be, positive results with women follow. And when you don’t know who you are, or what type of man you wanna be, negative results with women follow.

MineDesperate2920 · 2026-06-10T13:45:05+00:00

Yes and no. Yes you need to approach a lot and you will never have 100% success rate. If you get good though you can drastically improve your odds enough that you won’t care about your success rate. You only really need a couple girls to be having more sex than you need

ChicoBrillo · 2026-06-10T14:25:51+00:00

You could fish with horrible bait or fish with really good bait, the guy with good bait is going to out perform the guy with bad bait, but they’re both going to out perform the guy who is sitting on the couch

Lacunaethra · 2026-06-10T10:21:28+00:00

If seduction game was real you’d (in theory) should be able to pull anyone

No, because the willingness of the other person to be pulled by you is a factor that has to be taken into account.

Over-Commercial636 · 2026-06-10T10:39:30+00:00

Play >upgrade>fail>play again>upgrade>fail.....and so on

ConsistentPomelo3303 · 2026-06-10T10:58:45+00:00

Like others have said. Yes and no. It’s like the law of averages. Some days I don’t feel like going out and getting numbers but if I see someone I’ll do one attempt or two and I’ll be 2/2 for that day and the girls will also come out on dates. I have also been rejected at least 26 times in a row. You have to be emotionally resilient and keep going. Nobody will care 100 years from now.

South-Excitement1720 · 2026-06-10T11:08:38+00:00

The seduction game is real in that the women that want to be/are willing to seduced, you will develop the skillset to do so.

Also a lot of average looks guys are not as “ugly” as they believe. Someone else has already mentioned social media. The amount of actual Quasimodo type guys is a lot lower than reddit would have you believe.

Finally social skills come into play. We live in an era where people connect with their phones more than tgey do other people. Even basic improvement on social skills can make you stand out.

As for numbers game, well applying for a job is a numbers game right? So why bother with a degree?

Special_Rice9539 · 2026-06-10T11:09:20+00:00

It’s like how good poker players maximize their odds so they win more consistently. There’s always some randomness in how the cards are dealt, but they can control some factors to increase the percentage of times they win

No-Buy-3105 · 2026-06-10T12:01:42+00:00

Some people have it easier than others. I keep hearing “it’s a skill”, but your upbringing significantly impacts how easy or how difficult it is to build that skill. Guys who have been rejected and shamed since childhood don’t deal with rejection nearly as well as a guy who had great parents, a lot of friends, played a bunch of sports, etc

OrLuckyLuke · 2026-06-10T12:29:27+00:00

Nah.

When one truly integrates shit things kinda shift, chicks try to pick you up/give really obvious signs that you can just lead her.

Its like aura for a lack of better word

justmots · 2026-06-10T13:33:40+00:00

It's mostly a numbers game but seduction is like a small way of influencing how high of numbers or low of numbers you will need.

BlazedSky · 2026-06-10T13:42:23+00:00

«If seduction game was real you’d (in theory) should be able to pull anyone»

If your definition of seduction is “Black magic” then yes. But seduction is a social skill. A skill doesn’t make you a god, but it does help a lot. And it is real. What it really does is that it helps you manipulate someone’s feelings or even actions.

The “numbers game” only acts as a practice method. The more you fail or win, the more you learn this skill better.

Also confidence (which you also build from practice) is 100% part of seduction. It is a tool. You can use it to seduce. Humans always feel safer or even attracted towards people who know what they are doing. (Like I said, manipulation of feelings or actions 😉)

jackthehat6 · 2026-06-10T14:52:26+00:00

'Game' does exist. It's basically the ability to flirt and not 'come across' as super shy and weird or whatever. But it's not exactly rocket science lol. People who make out 'game' is some amazing scret 'skill' and that you need to buy their 6 hour course to 'learn' it are just scammers.

But you are kind of right in that 'game' is just the tiny bit of icing on the cake. The IMPORTANT bit is her attraction towards you. That isn't really in your control. If you look like someone she would break her finger on trying to swipe right if it was tinder, the, the level of 'game' you need is close to zero. And if you are NOT her type at all, then no amount of 'game' (flirting) is gonna help.

If you watch infield footage you will see that these 'pros' get rejected a hell of a lot and when they bang a girl, it is a girl who was very very receptive to their open (i.e she was atteracted)

but there's lots of scammy coaches out there (and now many on this sub unforunatley) who try to fool people into thinking that 'game' MAKES girls attracted. That they can 'attract' any girl they want (despite the fact that coaches with actual infield who aren't annoymous reddit coaches clearly can NOT do this lol)

in reality, you can have the best 'game' on earth, and get rejected 100 times in a row (imagine on old fat very short guy who only hits on stunning 10/10 18 year olds)

Sorry-Place6291 · 2026-06-10T15:18:01+00:00

Who cares ya know. Each person has a different experience depending on an infinite amount of things. I’ve seen virgin dudes in college get turned out once and completely changed their demeanor, that’s one girl he closed on. It depends on where your head and energy is.

In theory the numbers game would still only give you an average in the end and it wouldn’t make you better if you’re not getting quality reps if that’s all you focused on.

I will say momentum is a real thing so if you can get a flow with a few girls and closing a different girl every week or two then run with it to prove it to yourself you can but you’ll honestly start getting weird about stds and moral standards, at least a lot of guys I know do including myself.

It’s not a logistics and statistics game.

KirbyTheCat2 · 2026-06-10T15:26:25+00:00

Stop trying to find excuses, you will always find excuses! There are millions of women out there with a variety of different tastes. The guys who succeed are just the one who do the approachs. As simple as that.

VerloreneHaufen · 2026-06-10T15:27:18+00:00

Mate, seduction is just sales but the product is you or more specifically the experience of being with you romantically/sexually.

If the product is such a good deal for a certain buyer that it essentially sells itself, you don’t need sales skills.

If the product is unsellable for a certain buyer, whether is because of the product OR the buyer, no amount of salesmanship will do the trick.

But for anyone else in between, it makes a big difference. If it didn’t, sales wouldn’t be an entire field of work that employs so many people and is crucial to so many companies.

Yeah it’s a probability boost, but that itself is extremely valuable.

Newtabs9 · 2026-06-10T15:41:00+00:00

it's a numbers game, in that you need to find the girls who are open to being seduced by you. Nobody has some jedi mind control level of game where they can make any girl of their choosing attracted to them. Not even with the best game imaginable. There's a very real ceiling to this stuff. I've gamed with many other top level coaches across Europe. Even guys with elite level game can get rejected a hell of a lot.

Elegant-Wolf-12 · 2026-06-10T17:21:57+00:00

Real seduction is learning to engage women deeply and help them relax the places where they’re blocked. But you only want to do that when you can connect and they let you feel into them, most women that LOOK great aren’t a great match. I’ve talked to thousands of strange women. I’ve only asked a few dozen of those women out. Almost all of those women me gave their number, at least once i’d been out of college for a while.

If you’re stuck in your head, thirsting for her or planning your next move, then you’re not really present with her. She can feel that and will tighten. Moreover, you won’t be seeing anything, so you’re not really figuring out whether she’s a good match for you.

There’s nothing wrong with wanting a woman because she looks hot. That’s the drive to go talk to her, so follow it. But then drop the fantasy and see who she actually is

Melodicmat · 2026-06-10T15:05:49+00:00

the techniques don't work if you are not her type

Very easy to test as all of the game material is so mainstream that you can read any PUA book and use the techniques tonight. Some PUA's give you verbatim lines for each 'tech' and 'stage' to use, so very easy to test

But you will find they do'nt help at all if she's not attracted to you. Your pushpull lines do'nt help etc.

Go out tonight and test if for yourself. Pick a PUA model (manye posters have given cliffnotes here for everything from mysterymethod to toddV to adam lyons etc) and test it tonight.

What happens is taht when you open a girl who seems into you, it appears to 'work. the teases land etc. When you open a girl who is hostile and/or clearly isn't at all into you, all of the techniques will go down like a lead baloon lol

Title	So seduction isn’t real it’s a numbers game?
Author	TheDarkKnight2001
Upvotes	24
Comments	89
Date	June 10, 2026 10:14 AM UTC (2 months ago)
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