LTR Relationship Standard: Virginity

Watergap · 2017-08-25T20:01:03+00:00

I live in the backwoods Bible Belt where virginity is still pushed fanatically. From my observations I can tell you that

Many of the people who do wait for marriage end up just as divorced and slutty as the rest.
A high quality woman who is a virgin with standards is probably not going to be down for a man with two and a half kids with a history of non commitment.

But, I could be wrong....I just doubt it

creepcookies · 2017-08-26T01:42:18+00:00

"I simply can't respect a woman that doesn't hold out for a mans full commitment before having sex. I don't want to end up with the town bicycle. No matter how into me she is - I don't want to think about past partners, etc... I want a woman who knows only me who I can mold into what I want with no prior knowledge of men. Also - am religious to an extent.

Edit: Most importantly - I want to know that I'm the only man my LTR or wife has known. No other man can say he has had her."

And YOU think that women who have been saving themselves for marriage would want or respect YOU?! A cheating man-whore who has children out of wedlock and goes on Reddit to ask people to approve of your plan to hunt down a virgin while you're still in a LTR?!

You're pathetic, controlling, and delusional. I'll be sure to warn all of my virgin friends (Born and raised into a devout "religion".) to be on the look out for pigs like you.

That you place value on a woman for her virginity is stupid. Then, the fact that you continue you screw women, therefore defiling them according to your own value system, because it makes you feel powerful or whatever... just shows that you're so selfish and depraved that I doubt you're capable of respecting a women even if she WAS a virgin. I hope for your children's sake that they learn nothing from you. You'll just mess them up forever.

In short, you have no chance and your double standard for women is disgusting. Shame on you. You make me sick, OP.

TurdDoctor · 2017-08-25T17:51:45+00:00

OP- How can you post this and not state WHY do you want to marry a virgin? Are you a troll?

However, I am coming to the conclusion that I would only be willing to do this with a woman that was still 100% a virgin. I have tried doing all kinds of mental gymnastics to get past it (I will never find one, its just my insecurities, n-count doesn't really matter)

You are a pussy and need to read the sidebar. Maybe you are just afraid that she will be thinking of prior Chad's dick instead of yours?

I married a virgin so I have some perspective on this (yes, for real).

windowpanemouse · 2017-08-26T16:14:30+00:00

An 18 year old girl who marries a 33 year old man with kids either has rock bottom self esteem or is desperate to leave a very fucked up family situation, but probably both.

A 23 year old virgin may have social anxiety, or is possibly on the autism spectrum, or is very religious/really values 'purity.' In the latter case, a guy who's willing to walk away from his family, whether he supports them financially or not, won't be someone she respects. And whether or not you tell her that you cheat on your partner with multiple women, there's a certain callousness that develops among people who do this, and she'll sense you're very different, in a bad way, from the guys she meets in church. In short, she's not saving herself for a guy like you.

It's always possible to find a young and inexperienced girl, but the younger you go, the more sacrifices you're going to have to make in terms of mental health. There's far worse baggage than the sexual kind. If you think a woman who's slept with other men is 'damaged goods,' wait till you try the kind of 18 year old willing to be with you.

It sounds like you feel that you wasted your 20s with a woman you didn't really want to be with, and now that you're red pilled and all, you think you can get back that time by starting over with a young virgin. But you're now a grownup with real adult baggage and you have to navigate the world as such. You can't pretend you're a carefree 18 year old again.

hystericalbonding · 2017-08-25T19:09:04+00:00

Virgins are annoying. I cannot relate to this fetish, insecurity, fantasy, or whatever it is. You may find more people to validate this shit in /r/askTRP.

Marriage is a legal partnership with significant risk. Being a virgin doesn't enhance a person's suitability to enter into a legal agreement. If anything, the social and emotional baggage carried by most adult virgins would be a red flag for me - see /r/incels.

Bobsfreestuff · 2017-08-25T19:39:34+00:00

I do not get it. A virgin. Sound stupid to me. Why would anyone want this?

I think this is more of a fetish for a virgin.

I would not expect you to get my fetish for rope bondage. Or, my friend's fetish for anal sex with pregnant women.

7SM · 2017-08-26T04:05:57+00:00

LOL, you are a child at best yourself, I truly weep for the kids stuck in the middle of a spineless putz and oblivious woman.

anythinginc · 2017-08-25T20:50:42+00:00

You can fight hypergamy, you can hedge your bets, but it still won't keep you safe. You say you've read Rollo, remember "making up for missing out?" That 21 year old virgin is going to be a 30 year old hottie with a man in his 40s, and she's only had ONE (1) dick in her life, and you can't be sure she won't start resenting you and bail, especially if she wants kids and you don't want anymore, or you ever let yourself slip.

If it was just something on your bucket list I'd say go for it, but you make it seem like an insecurity or a Madonna/whore or status symbol thing.

Just keep fucking around with women I don't really respect...am I simply dreaming

Have you ever "popped a cherry?" Do you think that virginity signifies status and value for women? What about the fact that once you fuck her she is NOT a virgin anymore, and thus "worthless" to every other man now?

Anyway, if this is a dream you want to achieve, then follow it; if it is a standard you want to set, then live by it; if it is an insecurity you are feeding, then squash it.

BluepillProfessor · 2017-08-26T15:53:12+00:00

If ever there was a case of the grass is always greener this is it.

First, have you been considered the logistics of finding a virgin who is dtf? Are you morman? Do you think trolling the high schools and middle schools is a good strategy? How many virgins can you find there anyway?

Second, What Young virgin Is giving You The time of Day?

Third, Why do you think a virgin is so different than a low Ncount Woman?

Fourth, If you think a young hypergamous Woman is going to be Easy to mold i have news for you.

Tldr: Unless you are spinning virgin plates you are totally full of shit and either a troll or an idiot about to make the worst mistake of your life.

granite2105 · 2017-08-25T20:28:49+00:00

You don't want to marry a virgin trust me. Virginity at marriage is a quaint, antiquated concept. Sexual compatibility is very important in a marriage or LTR. You won't know if you are sexually compatible unless you have been together sexually for a while. To continue the car analogy would you buy a car without taking it for a test drive? Also, at your age, most of your dating pool will be women over 20. Any female in American culture who has not had sex by then either has significant hangups, which will come back to haunt you, is lying about being a virgin, or has some serious crotch rot she doesn't want you to know about. Source: First marriage, wife and I were virgins. Would never do that again.

mrmilkman · 2017-08-26T03:17:19+00:00

You need to be a fucking MAN and love the mother of your children, marry her and work on making the relationship great.

yallapapi · 2017-08-26T11:15:13+00:00

I think what you really want is a woman who will be loyal and you think the odds are best with a virgin. This probably is coming from a form of laziness because you are sick of chasing tail and want to find a girl you can trust not to mess around behind your back while you work on your professional goals.

You're looking for a kind of shortcut. That is, you think that because she's a virgin she will be pure and innocent and be a perfect little wife from day one. Not so. You always have to game your wife/girlfriend. My advice is to put that effort into hardening your soul into the type of person that can handle the craziest, high n count girl who respects you and wants you because she's recognized that you are the meanest dog in the junkyard. There are no shortcuts brother. If there were then every post in here would be about guys going after virgins to marry. GL

FireTempered · 2017-08-26T03:30:36+00:00

I am coming to the conclusion that I would only be willing to do this with a woman that was still 100% a virgin. I have tried doing all kinds of mental gymnastics to get past it (I will never find one, its just my insecurities, n-count doesn't really matter) - but its really I think what I have always wanted

I am coming to.....I would only be willing....I have tried...mental gymnastics....get past it......my insecurities....I think what I have always wanted.

Your question belies the fact that you don't know what you want, therefore, it is not a serious question, it is mental and emotional musing. that you.......

have been struggling with for a long-time now.

Figure out what you want and you will have your answer.

Aechzen · 2017-08-26T20:30:52+00:00

I am coming to the conclusion that I would only be willing to do this with a woman that was still 100% a virgin. What is your perspective on men who want their wife to be virgins or low n-count?

My concern with virgins is that a woman who is really good at turning down sex with other men might also be very good at turning down sex with any guy who is willing to marry her.

My concern with virgins is that it often comes coupled with religious hangups about kinkiness, behavior, thinking-outside-the-box, conformity, etc. and I don't want a woman who thinks like that spending much time with me.

My other concern is that some experience is a good thing. You don't want to hire a new graduate. You want to hire a recent graduate who has some relevant training and accomplishments.

I happen to think that women who are highly sexual also end up with high n-counts. People are allowed to disagree with me.

Control the shit you can control:

is she hot?
does she make her own money, and have the skills that will keep her making money in the future?
is she more or less sane, and with a reasonable amount of damage for whatever her age is?
does she have a mother who is not a divorced, fat, harpy cunt?
is she a decent domestic? Can she cook, take care of kids, have standards about housekeeping? I can cook and clean a house and take care of the kids, but it's way better to be with a woman who will at least meet you in the middle.

Those are what you want to be looking for.

It seems like I have 2 options: 1. Just keep fucking around with women I don't really respect that much and have fun with it OR 2. Find a woman I do respect that meets my standards and build something with her.

At least one other option is to look up "Madonna Whore Complex", and realize you're doing that. I have a real problem with the word 'respect' used the way you're using it in those sentences.

Bawbaggio · 2017-08-27T22:21:26+00:00

Obviously you see where this is going - my current LTR is not a virgin (clearly, she already had a kid.)

I think this is your real reason here. You are raising somebody else's kid and it is grating on you. Couple that with the fact your twenties are way over and I guess you feel like you "wasted" a lot of your prime in an LTR.

Now you feel like your eyes have been opened and you feel cheated. Cognitive dissonance and the feeling of time slipping away are factors and so the only solution is to burn the whole thing down and find a beautiful princess to start over and build a happy Utopia.

"Bold move Cotton, lets see how it works out for them"

Usually on here the guys who have families and their shit together lay out plans about how they will have the kids after the breakup. you don't even mention them except in passing. Weird.

screechhater · 2017-08-28T22:14:27+00:00

You ever fucked a virgin ?

Fingered her to orgasm ? Without entering her ? Conditioning her to want you ?

Then find out she thinks head is disgusting ?

Careful what you wish for

pirateninj4 · 2017-09-05T16:28:33+00:00

"...from 5+ years ago as well. She wants to have the ceremony, I have been putting it off."

Your focus is on the wrong thing mate. But as to your questions:

1.) Delusional.

2.) You're dreaming.

You might. MIGHT find one. But with your baggage, they have better options and they'll know it. If I were you, I'd consider cleaning up my life rather than finding a bitch. It sounds like you're stringing along that one chick.

redpillrobby · 2017-08-25T19:48:21+00:00

Have you considered becoming a junior high school teacher?

;)

Rollo-Tomassi · 2017-09-02T16:42:29+00:00

Every man wants a slut, he just wants her to be HIS slut.

https://therationalmale.com/2012/01/06/the-slut-paradox/

2ndal · 2017-08-25T20:38:41+00:00

Sounds like you know what you want. Only you can decide if that want is strong enough to uproot what you have now.

A lot of guys are going to judge the decision but it's yours to make.

askmeanything2 · 2017-08-25T18:42:45+00:00

What happened to the 20 yr old virgin who was blowing you? (see post history)

ElSupremoDeluxe · 2017-08-25T20:03:05+00:00

Would you buy a used car?

paccountqp · 2017-08-25T20:51:41+00:00

This is true of many relationships in general. It's why MRP exists - to prevent it from happening to us to the extent possible. I wouldn't even necessarily get married.
Fair point. I think my SMV is enough to make up for this.

paccountqp · 2017-08-25T21:34:14+00:00

Yes I'm sure.

zRaXcPk · 2017-08-30T15:57:38+00:00

Good luck finding a virgin older than fucking 15 bro. Unless you live in Saudi Arabia, you have better chances of finding a flying unicorn with a golden vagina that lactates Pappy Van Winkle's whiskey.

Title	LTR Relationship Standard: Virginity
Author	paccountqp
Upvotes	14
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Date	August 25, 2017 5:27 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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