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April 6, 2017

If you look back at my posts, I clearly went RR, didn't know what I was doing, and almost fucked what little of my marriage remained. I'm still pretty clueless, but I'm reading, lifting, doing MMA, eating as much food as I can get my hands on (I'm 6'3" and currently 168 lbs, on my way to 190), and I've decided to leave my current job in order to open my own firm. It's taking a lot of time and effort. I'm good with it all and feeling better and better about myself. Catch and release has been successful, which has helped me to start developing an abundance mentality. That's the focus... improving myself, owning my shit, and building a frame that I can hold.

I dropped a lot of the RR, mostly by being so focused on getting my new firm started and making related significant life changes. Sex is meh... still scheduled and frequently starfish. Lifting, learning, and if/when she's attracted to me, hopefully that will improve.

2 years ago wife had a thing with some pilot dad in the neighborhood. Sent him nuddie pics on multiple occasions, and I know she kissed him "once" and watched him jack off on FT "once". This was all pre RP. Long story short, when I found out I bought her a one way ticket to her parents' place and a few weeks later we did intensive MC. Lots of life changes, and according to her, the guy found out that she'd told a mutual friend what happened and he went off on get over it. That was supposedly the end of it.

Background aside, she currently often goes out for long "walks around the neighborhood" at night and gets dressed up to go to the library (to her credit, she does read a LOT, and she's always actually come back with new books)... If I walk into the room she'll turn her cell phone over so that I can't see the screen. Given the past experience and the repeated behavior above I suspect but don't have any clear evidence that she's cheating.

Yesterday she came to pick me up from work. When I got into the act the first thing she said was "look at this, I burned my neck with the curling iron yesterday." Right where I'd give her a hickey on her neck, she has a perfectly round, perfectly sized, dark red spot with a small blister. My response was "ouch." Nothing more. Whenever I looked over at her she covered it with her free hand. When we got home she got a bandaid to cover it.

Inside, I'm thinking....

  • I worked from home yesterday. I was home all day and I never saw or heard about this.

  • why would you burn yourself on the front of your lower neck with a curling iron? You've burned your hands before but never your neck, always oval shaped burns not perfectly round, never that raspberry color, you never have a blister or keep covering it like you're embarrassed about it, that's the perfect size for hickey, and damn it, that's all a bit suspicious to me.

  • Would she actually burn herself with a curling iron to cover up a hickey?

  • I don't want to accuse her, and I don't want to spy on her... That's pretty beta pussy. But if it's someone else's turn, I want to just know so that I can cut her off and let the next guy be her beta bitch and provide for her. Yes, there are kids involved and if fight hard to keep custody etc. Those little mammals are amazing and I love them to pieces.

So the questions...

  1. Am I being a pussy by not seeing obvious signs and calling her out, or am I being a pussy by getting insecure and making a mental leap to assuming her infidelity without any proof at all?

  2. Do I say anything or do I just keep my mouth shut until/unless I have a smoking gun? Of course, if she's willing to burn herself to hide it, she's obviously willing to lie about it too, so I don't know that addressing it would do anything but show her that I'm butt hurt, over sensitive, self conscious, and suspicious... All of which is unattractive AF. Maybe I just answered my own question... :)

  3. I could download her phone including erased photos, text, and WhatsApp messages, which would either confirm suspicions or set my mind at ease. But maybe that's a really pathetic and insecure move on my part, even if she's done the same thing to check on me and there's confirmed history just a couple years ago.

Ok, go ahead... Tear me a new one guys. And thanks in advance.

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Title How to respond?
Author RedPillQuest
Upvotes 12
Comments 79
Date 06 April 2017 05:52 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]BrazilRedPill14 points15 points  (14 children) | Copy

3) I could download her phone including erased photos, text, and WhatsApp messages, which would either confirm suspicions or set my mind at ease. But maybe that's a really pathetic and insecure move on my part, even if she's done the same thing to check on me and there's confirmed history just a couple years ago.

Do this shit. If your imagination is leading you to divorce without any proof, at least know the facts you can reach. You sound like it is easy as hell for you to download her shit, so fucking do it.

If you find nothing, you will know how insecure you are. If you find something, next her.

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, the scenario sounds bad. She's likely fucking around. But you know, sometimes knowing for sure makes things easier. There's no doubt when you have incontrovertible proof. You shouldn't even tell her if you do find proof. Just take action, and let her be the one left wondering.

[–]cholomiteMod / BP Downvote Magnet10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yea, trust but verify. There's nothing beta about following up on some very well grounded suspicions in order to save yourself from getting taken advantage of and fucked over later. Just don't lead on to the fact that you're checking up on her. If she's willing to burn herself to keep her beta bux around, who knows what else she'll do to cover her tracks if you really are onto something.

I'd also ask to come along on one of her late night "walks" or library trips and see how she reacts.

[–]Garblix4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

What all these guys are saying. If you suspect this much, and there's lots to suspect, then you should look for confirmation. Maybe you're afraid of what you will find. It's hard as hell when you come across even emotional cheating, much less what else may be going on with your wife. It can be a punch to the gut and an emotional crippler at first, but it will give you the strength and determination to move on and take next steps. Someone else on here has said it before, and I'm paraphrasing, that every man should see what his spouse says about him behind his back when she thinks he can't hear. It's a real eye opener.

[–]The_LitzRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you have trouble swallowing the pill you just need to read what she truly thinks off you. Nothing makes the pill go down as smooth or quick.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yes. much easier than trickle truth.

[–]trp_dude5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't really think you need evidence. What you've said already is pretty much 100% proof she's cheating.

Hiding phone? - 100% cheating Dressing up to go to the library? - 100% cheating

But you must, then look at this

[–]herp_a_merp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow, that's an amazing link.

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Awesome link. Thanks!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is it a no fault divorce state? If so, facts dont matter

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I disagree. You go looking, you absolutely will find dirt. Your faggot ego will get hurt. You will make poor decisions. If you don't have kids, start the divorce process. Plan your escape. Most states in the US are no fault.

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Ive got two little manmals involved. Having kids changes things. 1) I don't want to teach my sons that this is how a relationship is supposed to be like, that you're supposed to just ignore your cheating ass wife and let it continue. 2) I don't want to expose my sons to this and make them deal with the shit storm she's created for them. It's a bit of a conundrum unless I ignore them and just focus on making myself happy/better.

[–]Garblix2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

What you may find will indeed hurt your ego. That's good. But man up and don't let it propel you to make rash decisions. Find the dirt, document it, and keep acting like all is fine and dandy in your world. If you call your wife out on some tiny piece of info you've found, you've lost any hope of finding bigger and better evidence in the future. She'll hide it all more securely and you'll be out of luck. You will be crushed emotionally if/when you find damning evidence, but remember that all evidence you document can be used in your favor and give you leverage. Especially if it comes to divorce proceedings.

[–]Chump_No_More1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ive got two little manmals involved. Having kids changes things.

No. Having kids does not change things... Full stop.

Your primary job as a father is to impart a healthy value system of enlightened self-interest, integrity, abundance and to be a role model for what a loving relationship, based on chemistry, mutual respect & trust looks like.

You can do most of your job, regardless of whether you and your spouse are together or apart, but you can not demonstrate integrity to your kids by allowing your spouse to continue her serial-cheating without grave consequences.

Do not use your kids to provide cover for your fears... kids (especially young ones) are resilient and will always gravitate to the 'saner' parent.

Everything you want is on the other side of fear.

[–]rp_findingmyway8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh for God's sake bud, move on from her. She's literally dripping with Top Gun's cum when she gets back from her nighttime "walks".

Yes, given she's gone well over the line in the past, all her personal shit should be available for real-time inspection by you. You aren't going to like what you find if you take the time to do that.

Lawyer, sidebar, lift. Sorry about the kids. Awful, but not your fault.

Edit: typo

[–]anythingincRed Beret6 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy

2 years ago wife had a thing with some pilot dad in the neighborhood.

  1. Humility. Cheating is about entitlement. Being truly sorry is about humility.

  2. Initiative. Real remorse books its own shrink appointments. Real remorse does the homework. Real remorse does not need to be cajoled, wheedled, or dragged by its ear.

  3. Honesty. You can’t cheat on someone without lying to them. Real remorse spits out the truth. All of the truth.

  4. Patience. Real remorse understands that repairing a relationship after infidelity is a long haul with dubious prospects. GINR wants to you to “get over it” already because hey, it said it was sorry.

  5. Ownership. See Humility. Real remorse wears the shame. Real remorse takes responsibility for the fallout.

  6. Recompense. Real remorse understands that reconciliation is a risky investment. GINR wants you to assume all that risk and how dare you ask for any assurances, because don’t you trust me? Real remorse puts its money where its mouth is with a post-nup with an infidelity clause.

Adding #7: Privacy. Real remorse recognizes that they should have no expectations of privacy in their comings, goings, or communications and make every effort to be open and transparent. If their cell phone has a password, their partner knows it and has access to it.

She doesn't sound very remorseful.

3) I could download her phone

So, I wouldn't even bother to hide looking at the phone. I'd have divorce papers ready. When you think the time is ripe just tell her to hand the phone to you because you're getting a feeling, and you don't like it, and because she made you a fool in the past, and you're not going to let these feelings build up inside you. If she doesn't hand it over immediately this time (and every subsequent time) then hand her the papers and tell her to sign them.

2) Do I say anything or do I just keep my mouth shut until/unless I have a smoking gun?

The sooner the better so you can negotiate her zero interest/ownership in your new business. Unless this woman getting half of what you have built since she has last cheated on you sounds fair.

1) Am I being a pussy

Only because you don't have the balls to walk without a smoking gun after she has already cheated. The only reason an alpha needs to leave is that they know they can do better. Can you do better than this? Worrying about phones and hickeys and late night walks?

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Great advice. Her phone does have a password, and my fingerprint has been removed as authorized. I chalked it up to her wanting legitimate privacy in light of my having downloaded her phone the last time (years ago and with her knowledge and consent), but I can see that it's much more than that now.

Thanks everyone! I was struggling with the idea that verifying was slimy and distrustful of me. I see that it's not a beta move. I'll download her phone now.

[–]trp_dude4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

WTF? This is 100% proof she's cheating.

[–]anythingincRed Beret0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I'll download her phone now.

How is this going to work without authorization?

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Except that of course she's stopped allowing her phone to backup and she's deleted all backups... Sigh... Ok... Writing in the wall... I see it now. Now I'm just angry... Off to MMA I go.

[–]anythingincRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can you do better than this? Worrying about phones and hickeys and late night walks?

You don't need to see the pics and texts, you may have not even found anything anyway. You also don't need to live like this. If she hasn't made your life amazing the past two years to make it up to you, then you don't need her and the anxiety that comes with her in your life.

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Now have her phone backing up to iCloud again.

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All things are possible to he who has the shared AppleID password. Don't need to access the phone to download and recover from her iCloud backups...

[–]mrpthrowa1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

So, I wouldn't even bother to hide looking at the phone. I'd have divorce papers ready. When you think the time is ripe just tell her to hand the phone to you because you're getting a feeling, and you don't like it, and because she made you a fool in the past, and you're not going to let these feelings build up inside you. If she doesn't hand it over immediately this time (and every subsequent time) then hand her the papers and tell her to sign them.

Nah. What's the point.

Just do the homework and hand the paperwork. No explanation, no discussion. No closure.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hello and thanks for spraying my shoes and pants legs with your puke

Let me get you a glass of water to rinse your mouth and I will clean off my shoes. It's alright. The feeling is Once, Shame on YOU, Twice, FUCK ME!!!!! It's quite common you know.....

It will be very helpful to print your post and connect the dots, because you are blinded by the oneitis

Once you realize "X" marks the spot of cheating, or whatever is going on, you can therefore realize the feeling that is tightening around your prostrate is the sinking feeling, that there is something terribly wrong

There are a lot of terrible things going on the world, but you need to identify this terrible situation as a break in trust, and the stinging feeling of all the rejections and butt hurt feeling of .... what the fuck ?

It truly is ok, take the goggles off, smash the pedestal and examine what she is. Once the oneitis is completely gone and anger has set in, review Athols advice on how to deal with a cheating wife, as in call her parents and ask both her parents to be present on both lines. Speak. Contact your attorney and draw up the papers

It's ok, the feeling is adrenaline, but be cautious to not let the adrenaline rush dissuade you from proper behavior as you being the better person. Working through MRP. we come to realize, we have standards, and quite frankly, she is not meeting yours.

Here, have this glass of scotch and as I put my arm around your shoulder and love you bro style, let's talk about your future, and lay out how you are going to get through this and have a bitchin' life, due to her giving you a newly minted "free pass." Cheers Bro !!

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

yep. You're a pussy.

get your shit together and start acting single. She's all but asking you for a divorce.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

I also go to the library to read new books that just came out that are not available elsewhere...


come on.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah, but do you get dressed up all fancy?

OP must be a troll or total fucking idiot.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why "or" ?

[–]WesternhagenWinner1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I always dress nicely to go to the library. The homeless bums hanging around outside smoking appreciate how much I raise the tone of the place.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Umh, ya

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Sarcasm came through ok?

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm still wiping the puke off my shoes and shaking the cuffs out of my pleated trousers

Can't wait to pour the scotch and toast to a new life

[–]mrpthrowa2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy


You know, last week i went to the library I met this married woman with a child. She was hot. She saw me picking up the hobbit for my son, then she proceeded to smile to me and tell me how awesome it is. Then she started talking about an operation she wanted to do on her eyes. then we went on and on about books and stuff. Then she started telling me about her plans to spend more time away from her house because she and her son want more "freedom". She told me how her husband snores and how she wishes he was sleeping downstairs because of it.

I told her I'll be interested to know how her operation went, she gave me her number.

Where do you live again? I haven't texted yet, should i? lol

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ha! Text her with a simple "He Knows!"

Doesn't sound like mine, but who the hell knows.

[–]drty_prRed Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

She is probably cheating dude. You may never find out though.The question that remains is:

If you leave her under conditions where she spins you as "untrusting" for leaving her when she wasn't cheating on you, do you have the balls to take that shit on the chin because you did what was right for you?

If not, you better work on it. Because GIRL POWER doesn't give a fuck about you and will be on her side. Probably even your sister(s).

[–]RedPillQuest[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fair enough and good points. Can I leave if she spins me as untrusting? In honesty, no, not yet. Oneitis... Pathetic... Call it whatever you want and I won't deny it. I know where I should be on that. I'm there if I get past the "probably" that you mentioned. Then, no matter what, I'm making the right move and shes gone... tonight... But if i don't actually KNOW? The beta kicks in and tells me to hold on.

In good news I'm going to an awesome bachelor party on Sat./Sun. Maybe a little turn about will be fair play, or at least make me not care so damn much...

[–]trp_dude1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Go to and

It's not "probably" unfortunately. It's "for sure" she's cheating.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Are you fucking with us?

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

You've personally responded to my other posts and interacted with me enough to know that I'm not trolling. Nope, I'm not fucking with you.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Its a rhetorical question... Are you unable to see the answer screaming at you

[–]FailingBillionaire2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sunk-cost fallacy.

[–]BobbyPeru1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Trust but verify. She's already been busted once - guarantee she gave a partial truth on the pilot.

[–]IBeMadToo1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I know she kissed him "once" and watched him jack off on FT "once".

I'm sure that's all that happened..... You don't go from kissing "once" to watching each other masturbate.

[–]trp_dude1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh Christ. "kissing" = "fucking" in cheaterspeak.

[–]Blunter-S-Thompson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What ever do you mean?

I guess I'm the only one that was taught FaceTime jerk-off sessions are the epitome of 2nd base.

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is this a thing now? I've lived a sheltered life, I guess.

[–]mrpthrowa1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry dude this one is lost too.

She'll never respect you. And you will never respect her.

She will never respect you because she crossed the ultimate respect line and you did not leave, she got her high from the hormone cocktail of cheating and she'll want more. Worse, she has a pavlov connection in her mind that cheating = better you, because that's probably how you woke up to the red pill and started putting yourself together.

You will never respect her and so you will try to overcompensate for this. you will always be on the edge, you will always be thinking of cheating when you see anything suspicious. I guarantee no amount of evidence and full transparency is going to remedy this. It's a vicious cycle, it's no way to live. The human male species is so hardwired against being cuckolded that it will forever be disturbed like an unreleased undead forever at the thought of the one he's supporting cheating.

Start making plans. Life is too short for this shit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Leave her dude. She's not interested. The reason she's not leaving you is because she's using you. You shouldn't have to be downloading her phone contents and shit. I'm sorry but she already sees you as beta af. You lost her. Now she's just using you. Move on...

[–]Terribledragon4Hire1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Frick. OP I always try to give the person the benefit of the doubt and I usually the last one to scream "she's cheating". But this looks so bad.

I would suggest you get your ducks in a row and talk to a lawyer just to make sure you understand your rights.

If you can gain access to her phone then look and get proof.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're firmly committed to lying to yourself - so I think you should continue doing that.

I hope to god you don't claim to be red pill, because blind men can't distinguish colors.

Didn't we just have a post on trickle truth? Jesus, if I were a woman and knew men were so blind and spineless, I'd be fucking chad on the side too while telling my walking ATM about how tired I was.

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Not to rub salt in the wound, but she had a full-blown affair with the pilot. Your response - buy her a plane ticket to her parents - immediately telegraphed to her that you weren't going to leave or enforce any consequences at all.

Do you really need her shit in your life?

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You're right. It was a very pathetic thing to do. Not that I won't do pathetically beta things now (It's almost guaranteed), but I'd like to think I wouldn't do it the same way if I'd found RP before all of that. I kept telling myself that I needed to do everything in my power to make it work... If it was going to end, it wouldn't be my fault. NOT my position now, but it was then, and frankly, I thought it was a pretty alpha move to take her keys and phone, wake her up, hand her a plane ticket, and flat out require her to go. If I've ever held frame it was that night. Now, I realize post-pill, that it was inconvenient for her to leave so she fought me that night, but that in reality my action just confirmed to get that I wouldn't leave. No longer the case.

[–]trp_dude0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's over, buddy. Sorry.

[–]mrpthrowa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It was a good response, but he should have left her there.

[–]JDRoedellRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


Have an exit strategy ready to execute that leaves you in as good a position as possible.

You have no evidence, as you suggest, but you have a lot of indicators.

[–]chief_slap_ahoe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Always. Always. Always trust but verify.

[–]tslextslex0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. You are in the full sweep of it now.

Try this: Read your post as if it were written by another man about another woman.


[–]RedPillQuest[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If written by another guy, I'd be shocked that he hadn't connected the dots yet and left. You're absolutely right.

[–]Gaetanorex0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

The only question you should be asking yourself is if you want to get balls deep in her ass one last time before you put her shit on the curb.

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Not really. It's pretty bad. She's hot, but it's 100% starfish sex.

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's 100% starfish sex for me


[–]trp_dude2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

She's not hot. You've got wife goggles on. Once you're over oneitis, you will see that she's 5 or 6 at best. Otherwise she would have left your beta ass long time ago. The fact that she hasn't filed for divorce is sure proof that she's not hot.

You will do much better than her once you hit the gym and learn TRP/MRP/PUA. You're 6'3". You can do better than this low quality woman.

[–]jtzabor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Having more information is always a good thing when it comes to making a decision. But i also feel that if you think she might be cheating the relationship is pretty much over anyway.

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

So here's what I would do. I would tank my current job. Sit around the house and get fat and lazy for like six months. Then soon enough she'll announce she's moved onto the pilot to fly friendlier skies.

Then when I get served divorce papers I'd have no income to show for it and all she'd want to do is get out.

I certainly wouldn't start a new business that she could potentially end up with an equity stake in prior to divorce. It's the long position but I like to be strategic.

Dude. She's cheating. Why even verify? Divorce. Get your best machiveli on and protect your assets. She didn't stop with the pilot. She just went under ground.

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Seems opposite of what RP is about... Improving myself. The business won't start until June. I've got a little bit of time.

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Redpill is amoral, and rule zero is paramount.

If you can maximize your sexual potential through self improvement go for it. If you can ensure your future by not getting divorced rape, go for it. You maximize your sexual potential by knowing all your options. Do you know those?

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I don't know what all of my options are... Admittedly, I've got tunnel vision right now... I just want to go find an attractive bitch and fuck her silly right this minute. Not the right solution, I know...

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Could be fun. Could clarify abundance for you. Not gonna say either way. First focus should be identify risks and options.

I could fuck strange, I could even endure the fallout. I'm in a much better position to move on than my wife. But I know my options and keep divorce papers in the drawer just for that situation.

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's really good advice. Actually having divorce papers on hand for that fallout moment. Thanks!

[–]RedPillQuest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks. I appreciate that advice! Gotta figure out how to move past the fear.

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