How did you kill your beta

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April 15, 2019

I’ve been in redPill for a while and I’m trying to raise SMV and genuinely build a life worth living. I don’t really care for getting bitches- I’m not in any position to peacock and chase empty goals like most of my peers at age 22.

I’ve done a great job at getting in shape and I’m deep in the process of trying to kill the beta (One of my favorite Rollo posts) but it’s really hard. Everyone around me is chasing the typical girls/useless Ph.D. academia stuff and quite frankly it makes a bit lonely since it feels like I’m the only one going the other direction.

It’s so tempting to pick up the Xbox and play a match. But I don’t – I read instead.

It’s so tempting to consume lots of junk, but I don’t. I drink green shakes instead.

It’s so tempting to degrade back into social media, but I don’t. I stay off except for one messaging app to keep in touch with everyone.

It’s like trying to choke out your old self and their putting up a decent fight and beta you is about to go for your eyeball and you are just wringing its neck as hard as you can and hope they run out of oxygen before they can do crazy damage on the way out.

I’ve tried to go back but the handful of times I’ve tried it…It never feels fulfilling anymore- I used to consume gaming content all the time- now I’m lucky to run into a trailer on YouTube during commercials. I can’t believe I wasted so much of my teens paying attention and getting hyped over this nonsense. Same goes for every other bad behavior I’ve mentioned- it feels like crack cocaine- I’m not trying to get hooked again.

To those who were at a similar point in their journey- what drove it over the edge and finally choked out the beta for you? How did you handle going solo in your own direction? What did you replace it with?

Greatly appreciated, thanks.

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Title How did you kill your beta
Author SameArmy
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Comments 110
Date 15 April 2019 12:38 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 206 points207 points  (23 children) | Copy

The truth is, we all have beta traits and anyone who says they are pure, 100% alpha is bullshitting, not only themselves, but everyone else.

Part of TRP is gaming women. There's nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with going and getting more education. Learning is a great use of your time and money.

It's also not wrong to have fun. You wanna play Xbox for an hour? Do it. You wanna smoke a joint? Do it. You wanna fuck a 4 just to get some easy pussy? Do it. Everything in moderation though. If it starts interfering with your life, that's when it's time to cut it out.

TRP isn't about following a specific way of life to a T. We don't have a plan for your life like "You go to college, graduate with this degree, do these specific things in life, get this specific car, get this specific house, ect, ect, ect", no. That's not what we do.

We show you theories and ideas to lead you to a more fulfilling life without hiding behind BP bullshit. What you do with that information to make yourself happy, is all that matters. As long as you are happy.

[–]lookoutitscaleb37 points38 points  (11 children) | Copy

This was basically what I was going to say.

A big trend I see with people in OP's mindset is:
they forget to have fun.

Being "alpha" isn't about being some "perfect" person. Perfect is boring. Be like an onion. Have some layers and depth.

I don't think striving for 100% alpha should be the goal. For me RP is about living my most fulfilling life. If being a professional gamer fulfills you do it man. More power to you.

[–]tardiswho6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Being perfect is boring. I never thought of it like that.

[–]Achilles_Of_Reddit2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It’s a popular topic in The Book of Pook. Worth a read!

[–]tardiswho0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for the recommendation!!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Fuck you're right.

I want to be a writer in the long term mainly as like a retirement activity which is still 40 years away lol but responsibilities prevent me from having fun.

The deeper problem I never shared here is that I'm the sole provider for my parents and my extra income goes to helping them out. They have effectively guilt tripped me into giving them money and I have to work harder just to keep afloat.

It's sad. Depressing. And makes me feel weak but it's the life I have been given and I gotta play those cards in a way that I stand a chance at winning/happiness.

[–]DevilMayCry1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You shouldn't have to provide for your parents at 22. What are they doing that they can't take care of themselves?

[–]Plutonac0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Oof. Why are you providing for your parents at 22? I'm hoping there are some extenuating circumstances, otherwise you're just being pushed around.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bad life decisions. Never saved enough. Always spent it on trips and other cultural trivialtiies.

Plus my dad supports my Grandma and effectively its a BS family tradition of sorts.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I want to be a writer

This is how I thought I'd make it big in college. I guess shitposts count as a form of authoring?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Haha well played

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[–]forsaken_in_the_dark0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I always thought that being alpha is about having fun, not treating life seriously but making sure nobody takes advantage of you. Probably because people are used to being idle, going towards the right path needs a regime to a certain degree and this is where it may become unhealthy. It is easy to forget what it is all about.

[–]marcus8crassus8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy


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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

Im happy when I feel like Im not wasting time on low value activities for the mere reason that addiction(like I was in the past) is never worth it.

Moderation is key but Im an all or nothing guy. I cant have a little or else I slip back into the noise.

I suppose Im not at the fulfillment part yet since I have yet to accomplish anything major with my life, but its getting there.


[–]lookoutitscaleb2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Balance my dude.

Extreme is well, extreme. Being super one sided makes you predictable too.

It's apparent that being a drug addicted stay at home do nothing isn't valuable but the same applies to the other side. Burning the candle at both ends and not even enjoying life is pretty exhausting and actually hurts your mental and body.

Life's a garden, dig it.

[–]DerpJungler1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Im an all or nothing guy.

This is good. Keep being like this. Design your goals, objectives and ambitions based off this.

BUT, women are important dude. The amount of confidence a man gets when he fucks a female is invaluable. Don't underestimate the power of good sex.

Keep reading the theories and implement them in practice. There was a good post in TRP sub where someone described living his RP life like a video game. You read theories about gaming women, attracting and influencing people in general, then, you go out and play the game of life, use your skills to your advantage and enjoy life.

P.S: Stop worrying about the beta inside, it will go away once all the internal knowledge starts to get externalized, but this will happen only through PRACTICE, getting out of your comfort zone and start living life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting, I gotta find that post. Thanks for sharing and yeah I def gotta practice more.

[–]randomfire90 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I am just at this weird point where I don't want to do the things to dig myself out of the hole, but I also don't want to waste time.

So basically I spend a lot of time doing absolutely nothing. I mean it, I sleep a lot or just sit there and count the minutes go by.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Time to fill those minutes I guess.

One activity that brings value/you enjoy at a time. Learn what you like and go from there.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think so. Trp is a collection of strategies and mentalities, sexual and otherwise. It's a hodge-podge of PUA, self-help, eastern and western philosophies. In essence, it's a set of the most effective life techniques for getting the most out of life (crystallized without BP overtones). And what you do with those is up to you. There isn't any you MUST do this, you MUST do that. You take what you need and apply it to your life.

[–]tjoh1270 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]Jcorb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly man, as someone going through kind of a rough time right now... this is what I needed to see.

I'm 31 and still don't have this shit figured out. But posts like this help me get my head on straight, and stop beating myself up all the time.

[–]blurtard 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

When I was 27 I started seeing a girl who was on a “break” from her boyfriend. I had been reading TRP and was on a 4 year dry spell (holy fuck). I’m not ugly or lame AT ALL I just thought I was. My self esteem was totally fucked. I fell in love with her (of course, scarcity) and they got back together, but we kept fucking. Long story short, I learned not to give a fuck by being hurt every single day for 1yr+, straight. I started fucking another girl while I was seeing her, girl A fell in love with me (because idgaf) and I went exclusive with her, breaking girl B’s heart as she had fallen too. A week after I was dating girl A (MY ONEITIS) I cheated on her with girl B. Never ever told either of them. Because life and relationships are absolutely fucked at a fundamental level. That’s what I learned and that’s what snapped me out of the fairy tale.

Girl A dumped me because she thought I loved girl B, and I have just been fucking girl B ever since. Like full blown relationship with no commitment, and girl B just deals with me doing as I please because “WHOEVER CARES THE LEAST HAS THE MOST CONTROL”.

No rules in love and war.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

Damn dude- intense. Yeah whats crazy about my case is that I get called hot here an there by HB5s and normal plain janes but my standards are so damn inflated that I cant bear to sleep with them out of some weird sense of only wanting to fuck the best I can get lol

My self esteem is also fucked. Im not ugly at all, but I lack resources to live the life I wish to live and have attached a lot of my esteem into my lack of money.

[–]blurtard 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

It’s totally fair to not sleep with girls that are below your threshold. Don’t force yourself to fuck nasties, and I don’t think it’s possible to force yourself anyway. Girl B is just barely above it for me. I feel the same way about money so I did the bare minimum for a year (lol) and landed a sales job making 3x more than I do now. The thing is, all of the change you will experience will happen when the right stimuli presents itself unless some extra human feat of motivation arises first. Don’t stress until then and absolute REVEL in every victory and affirmation you receive until then. It helps.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks man. I actually just landed a new gig and start in may but it's not much by way of pay but better than being unemployed.

I'll do my best to be present with my day to day victories.

[–]Shanguerrilla1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah whats crazy about my case is that I get called hot here an there by HB5s and normal plain janes but my standards are so damn inflated that I cant bear to sleep with them out of some weird sense of only wanting to fuck the best I can get lol

My self esteem is also fucked. Im not ugly at all, but I lack resources to live the life I wish to live and have attached a lot of my esteem into my lack of money.

From my experiences, if you're like me this isn't the case. "I'm not ugly AT ALL, but lack resources to live the life" you expect / desire / (hopefully not feel) entitled. Money and an Instagram life won't fix that insecurity. They are 'tied off' opposite than you believe. When young, my self esteem wasn't due to my "lack of money" or anything we beat ourselves up with. I'd say feelings of inadequacy are the root 'need' for only the best.

It's a shell game, but you lost the bet and it's a hollow shell anytime we turn it over and find 'our problem was external'. It isn't your resources and it isn't because you aren't dating a supermodel. It's so easy to unwittingly create and fall for illusions that hide rather than help find root issue. Rarer still we'd ever accidentally stumble on the cures or path over OTHERWISE easily surpassable obstacles- ANYTIME 'our problem' is 'if the world / my life was just X.' Because the 'root issue' is usually solely within OURSELVES, our expectations, our perspectives, our choices.

Like you and the guy above, I'd have MAYBE said- but surely known- I was above average looking, at least adequate intelligence, decent personality (decent humor... least unique).. Not intended to sound douchey, what I mean is even if I wouldn't have admitted it to anyone else or myself, I didn't have doubts anchored in the real-world, tangibly. I only BELIEVED I DID and I didn't figure out that wasn't the case NOT until I "fixed them all". That hid it all more from me. I only learned after I'd LOST them all a few times between those periods.

The problem is NOT "if we had X" change something external. In fact, that EXTERNAL is an easier goal! Money is REAL, we can turn a screw in real life! Attainable, actionable! That's why we believe the lie so easily, (mine wasn't 'money,' but unhealthy expectations and a perspective I was a HUGE failure no matter what I 'did' from past mistakes and wasted potential) Guess what? I wasted potential every year I let fear of wasting potential in my 20's be the fire that moved and lit my path. Such 'sins' against self just got longer at that stage, dig holes deeper.

We feel less 'broken' and helpless to pretend like "the problem" is external. Mechanics, a screw I could touch and turn. Something actionable. "Oh, I am good looking or at least decent, I'm not stupid, I'm not perfect, but I ONLY don't "feel" good enough, or confident.. because the world!

The thing is, getting all those things won't ever fix that insecurity--- LOSING all the things is when the real hard heads like me finally can learn and grow in this stuff. BUT you don't have to lose those things and rebuild like me to get there. We only ever had lose the control we give to external factors through insecurities. It is less about money or your parents or status than where you place them in the hierarchy of lies, denial and in general manipulate yourself.

I've been there, 'only wanting' like 8-9 or above SMV women. I have better resources, more experiences and growing successes to garner NEW perspectives. Unfortunately every single one of them while nice and fulfilling in varying temperance, were never sustainable.... eventually I felt the pull to chase the dragon of 'now I want more, a better, the newer X'. ALTERNATIVELY-- WE CAN learn the same lesson before climbing the wrong mountain or our first time falling down them. We have to mindfully evaluate the REAL ways we feel beneath our own BS to really suss out what we NEED (rather than want) AND WHAT to do TODAY to move a step closer.

When we NEED the validation of 'only the hottest women,' top social circles, best resources we sacrifice confidence for insecurity. Self validation for external. It usually means we have the map upside down from the sought destination. If we don't recognize the possibility that the specific things we felt were "not GOOD enough" for us, in a backwards way really mean WE didn't feel GOOD ENOUGH for them, and were afraid to fight for it. Fixing 'that thing' only wastes time or obstructs actually progressing in this stuff sometimes.

"If I just had what i deserve or something more fitting for me.. this little bit shiner thing in my life... " That is a dangerous forest its easy to get turned around in. Because it's so easy to get to: I WOULD/could FEEL more consummate and accurate self-judgement and validation of my own identity, strength, or perceived 'greatness' :


THEN I'd DO better and FEEL better, then I wouldn't have this weird 'tie' to insecurity I cannot place. It's all backwards. Typically when we "only want" the hottest woman or most money, not only is the "I need X" tied to 'your' insecurity rather than the other way around... The thing we think we want, is actually the thing we are afraid to even live and work toward achieving, ironically the cause and effects are so backwards we think it's 'that thing' controlling our feelings or our life, while it's US who control fear or guilt or judgement of that thing by sacrificing control and over what we actually DID influence- our feelings and decisions.

It's no mystery, inadequacy WITHOUT THE BEST girl, resources, status... it is NOT about 'that', we ARE insecure and DON'T FEEL 'good enough' to go on the field and leave everything on it to win. It isn't the lack or failings of X in our past, it's our fear that we won't / can't make progress there in the future and aren't good enough now without it. So we lose the war by never deploying ourselves to truly strategize and fight for our needs and life... choosing to believe instead in a way our circumstances brought us here rather than the ways we drove the car.

Humorously, we pose it as 'we want better' don't see it's because of toxic shame's fear of rejection and INvalidation. It's easy to miss the ways we secretly seek validation in ways that confound ourselves at those stage).

The IDGAF of healthy self-esteem is our output, not input to achieve or face the real fears TIED TO 'our' INSECURITIES. Until those realizations and actualizations, we can't reliably get get where or what we need.Because we are in a simulation we created, playing a game only coded with parameters to FAIL, pigeonholing ourselves into a 'need' for the shiniest shit..

You don't need money or your parent's validation anymore, you're a man and just NEED the confidence of experience, skills, and routine exercise of your will and you WILL sustain, progress, meet your needs, and move toward your goals.

It's easier to pretend the 'real problem' is we 'need' only a rare and illusive target AND THAT'S WHY we aren't hunting. Our goals are too high, we aren't too short. It's easy to fill holes of core shame with the denial hiding it's existence, while We trade our power and control to ACTUALLY FIX OURSELVES just for illusive denial further hiding 'the real problem' and our roles and leverages... It doesn't have to do with "the perfect options" or external need, it isn't that we didn't find or meet the right women or trust fund. Without a good map and plan, even if we miraculously married an 11/10 chick and were CEO of 5 fortune 500's, we'd have done nothing to fill hole inside except dig a deeper while camouflaging even once clear pitfalls.

We're men, we are supposed focus on our control, actions, decisions, refocusing and doing ANYTHING TO CONTINUE our the progress & the construction of ourselves. All our accomplishments, best days, even mundane opportunities are stationary, we go to them, they'll NEVER fall in our lap. Turn the map right-side up to find actionable, realistic plans, resupply points, or ever reach the forks between where we are and our destinations.

The real fucker is that when you DO find someway to 'skip a level' or get the best and MOST desired & SHINIEST things. And they ARE finally actually shiny and desired enough, they typically further blind you from the real insecurity. A couple times it was 'succeeding' at getting my HB7-9, working on a project car I'm proud, new career, the times I 'got my resources I believed my insecurity was tied to.. that my self discovery of my own, real challenges were NOT related to their lacking.

The desire for "THE BEST of X" isn't at all bad, but when insecurity hides in the NEED of 'only the best' RAREST woman / resources / success / validation it controls us until we see it and realize 'X' wasn't our lacking nor the 'problem' I or many young men sort for themselves.

You don't have to be neurotic about it like this ramble may sound, you just have to either answer those versions of 'your questions' adequately for yourself to not not need an answer. If you are neurotic you may need to get to the point where you cease needing to know.. You don't really need the answer, just to satisfy the compulsion to question yourself with doubt.

Survey yourself and your environment, clean up your campsite & consolidate your baggage. We have to, to keep trekking to the next campsite along our journey.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Waking up a to deep piece of thinking like this. What a way to start the day- thanks man.

[–]resnine36 points37 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm absolutely no where near killing the beta. But one thing I've been doing along with reading is what I call 'Observing the beta'. Basically go through your life as you normally do, but instead now observe yourself objectively like you would if you were watching a movie about some guy. And you will start to see things like never before (take mental notes). You'll start becoming more mindful of the beta mistakes. Even today I noticed myself overinvesting, making covert contracts (seeking validation and setting up expectations).

In short mindfulness is a key to killing the beta inside.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Self-awareness is an under-appreciated quality.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah Ive been doing something similar and since Ive been catching all these moments Im super focused on figuring out ways to eliminate 80% of them.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Right, the 80/20 rule applies to you as a person too. You are 80% beta 20% alpha, key is to eliminate the beta and embrace that 20% of the alpha within.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I actually just got a new idea I want to try.


[–]bruiser1813 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

There are stages to this.

  • Unconscious incompetence

  • Conscious incompetence

  • Conscious competence

  • Unconscious competence

I am at that stage of conscious competence. I know what I need to do and I do it, I just keep doing that until I do it unconsciously.

[–]noosllewteg2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nice to see it laid out this way. Im in the conscious incompetence stage.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Me as well- this is actually a really good framework for internalization

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think a lot of us are. We know the mistakes we are making and working to adjust them... but bad habits die hard.

[–]UnbreakableFrame10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don't kill the beta with a sudden act. You starve the beta by acknowledging it less and less as each day passes. One day you will wake up and you will realize that you just aren't the same person you used to be. It's a bittersweet feeling, but ultimately it's the way forward.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

How did you kill your beta

Fell in love with myself (9501 amiright ppl?). Radiation poisoning. RIP.

[–]Abeham107 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Takes time. Begin by faking it and your subconscious will slowly turn into that man you want to be (law of attraction). Find your passion in life. Kick ass in school. TALK TO EVERYONE. Don’t think you need to be the perfect alpha (that doesn’t exist). If you need more advice feel free to ask.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you define “beta” as “any temptation for a suboptimal activity on my path to perfection”, I’m afraid to tell you you’ll never kill “it”.

Temptations, idleness, sloth, and the other sins are constant human companions. You never kill them once and for all, you fight them every day forever. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. Over time you get stronger so that you win more often. But the fight never stops. It’s like progressive overload in lifting: it’s not meant to ever become easy.

You’re overthinking Rollo’s “kill the beta”. The “beta” he talks about is that low-self-esteem, needy, clueless version of you that is both sexually unattractive and easy to exploit for women. He’s the one who gleefully marries a single mom because she’s the “One”, works himself to death for her kids, get blindsided in a divorce, and kills himself in despair. That beta is not that difficult to kill.

Self-improvement never stops, fighting temptations never stop. But the inner beta, you probably killed it a long time ago.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Uplifting for me and yet set kinda sad that many men actually become invested so deep into their spouse. One of my worst nightmares tbh


[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (4 children) | Copy

I blew up my condo, beat myself up, found an abonded house where I crashed and started a boxing club where people could beat each other up. When the fight ended, nothing was solved , but nothing mattered. Let go and stop worrying.

[–]Jedi_Buzz_Zerker18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

No one is supposed to talk about that...

[–]burrrahhh1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Watching too many movies?

[–]noosllewteg2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Everything’s going as planned, sir. ;)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He told us you would say that.

[–]sosex19926 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

believe it or not it started from reading NMMNG then The rationale male helped as well and in general I’d say facing my fears while also taking women off the pedestal and not allowing people to step on me

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ive read both of them, great reads. Might need to Re-read NMMNG

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Around 2005 Work sent me to a "developing country", overnight I went from low smv to relatively high smv, the difference in how I was treated by women was night and day. It shattered everything I wanted to deny about the interaction between men and women might call it bluepill shit, but I'm not exactly sure).

I was there about a year, but that was enough for me to see things for what they are.

Not everyone would agree with me on what that means, but I know its not this overly romantic hallmark card stream of nonsense I was fed since I was a kid.

All of the "niceguy" behavior I'd been exhibiting was gone with the beta.

Since I'm a low smv guy(outside of extraordinary circumstances), I just said fuck it and went mgtow at that point.

Had I had access to TRP around 2003 things would probably have been different. mostly because TRP sneers at all the comforting lies people tell about the dynamics between men and women because they cant handle reality.

I never would have been chad, but I could have done a lot better.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Bp is the comforting lies. Rp is the uncomfortable truths.

It's interesting because St.Patrice tells a similar story to yours when he went to Brazil. He noticed the women acted entirely different to him. Women respected him, sure, probably do to being an American and thinking he had money. But not only that they as he tells it "they were selling what we were buying". Meaning American women sell this masculine, super-independent version of themselves relationship. They don't sell us what we want, they sell us what they want. It's not like that in Brazil. It's not the whole thing where they try to act like they are better than us. All the nararssism, lies, manipulation, and tricks. It's straight to the point.

What country it was?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy


Its not as though women threw themselves at me, just that the "ewww why is this guy talking to me vibe was generally absent. It was a total 180 from what I was accustomed to.

It was very common there for people (men and women) to complain about women who only date foreigners.

One such woman I knew was probably the most beautiful woman Ive known. She ended up marrying a foreigner that makes 10x the median wage compared to people in the Philippines. he looks like a total schlub. no surprises there.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You experienced what things must be like for the alpha Chad in America where women are just fawning/pining over him. I think that's why Chad naturally has the idgaf/prize mentality because it's like he sees the lines that women draw a lot more clear than blind billy beta who can't see things from the macro scale. Beta billy is constantly operating at the mirco level because he's never been exposed to the upper level where you can see how all the things work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If anything it was probably closer to how it feels to be a slightly below average woman who gets the feeling people see her as merely "fuckable" and have no interest in her as a person.

As far as mentality, I did have the idgaf mentality because I just said "obviously this is my best shot, so I'm going to take it"

I bucked one girls shit test and she faked committing suicide (no shit)

Abundance mentality at work, even though I was unaware of the concept at the time.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I see what you mean. They want what they can't have. The more I hear of this whole "I'm gonna commit suicide if you break up with me" the more I think it's just a fuckin shit-test or complete bullshit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She just said something I interpreted as an ultimatum to stop hanging out with friends and I just said "nope this was my plan today, I'll be here a while longer. I found her with an empty pill bottle and a bottle of alcohol pretending to be unconscious, we called an ambulance, she continued the farce until they told her they were going to pump her stomach. I broke up with her immediately after the drama played itself out.

[–]Classy_Amir3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

The beta never dies, it's dormant.. and it's only a matter of time before it wakes up and wants to break from its cage and destroy all that you have worked so hard for. Make sure you tame that part of you and train it before it trains you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good answer.

[–]dusara2174 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

It sounds like you need to get some hobbies. Replacing old fun activities with new ones is a lot easier than replacing them with boring ones. You could pick up guitar, start painting, writing etc. It's not that hard to have fun in a productive way if you just take the time to figure out how.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep working on it. I focus mainly on fitness & writing but I've been meaning to pick up a musical instrument if they weren't so goddamn expensive.

[–]Thizzlebot2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Be an actor. Fake it until you make and one day you will realize you arent faking it anymore

[–]cuztrp2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Part of swallowing the pill is to come in terms with who you truly are. Some people are inheretedly beta and others are alpha. What the TRP does for you is that it makes you aware of your true self, and you should act accordingly from there.

To be honest, I can say that I have some beta traits that no matter how hard I ran away from, they will always be there. These traits are usually linked to some past experiences that have something to do with your psychological development like your relationship with your parents, siblings, peers in school...etc.

In my case, for example, whenever I'm going through hard time, I do need emotional support, and my case should only worsen if I don't meet that need. It happened during my previous relationship that my girl was shittesting the life out of me and I happened at that point that the last time I saw my family was 1.5 years ago. I tell you, she fucking destroyed me. I got depressed and went full beta bux on her ass which made her disgusted. But then when I saw my mother and cried my heart out, that air of confidence was suddenly back and now I'm a functional member of society and all's well. It's the truth: genuine emotional support is something I need and without it, I might as well perish.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for sharing your truth man.

[–]KourageTheKoop1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

You know, life is all about moderation. And one way you do something in life is to sometimes remind yourself why it was never for you in the first place.

The reason why they tell you to find a new friend group is because of that loneliness and that peer group thats always telling you, youre crazy for not wasting your life away on dumb shit..and you actually start thinking youre crazy.

I always seem to have to give into things for periods of time to remind myself this shit is pointless and now im 100% sure of it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

So for the meantime- its just a cyclical thing I have to deal with I guess...

[–]KourageTheKoop0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Sometimes you gotta get something dirty to really appreciate what it was like clean.

Id say only give in when youre REALLY curious about it. They say when you decide to quit or change something in life you shouldnt declare it out loud because (not to get all religious but) the devil will hear you and prepare for your sabotage. And in most cases the devil is you, when you truly give something up, you do it without warning.

I was never that big on drinking but out of nowhere I stopped entirely even before I stated “I dont really plan on drinking anymore “. Its almost like saying “Im going to decide to be male”. Im already a man, it comes naturally.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wise words

[–]lookoutitscaleb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hahaha I still go out with my old friend group from time to time.

They all still work their dead end jobs. Drink every day to drunkenness. Are sad, lonely, losers.

I hang out with them come home and am decide "Yeah I made the right choice"

Do it like once every couple of months since I forget sometimes. Every time I spend time with them I am instantly reassured and it makes my choice stronger pushing the times I spend with them further and fewer between.

It's a constant growth. You're either growing or dying.

[–]dtyler861 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Truth is, I dont remember how I found TRP, but I was naturally getting red pilled on my own. Ex LTR cheated on me, I displayed every pathetic beta trait imaginable to keep her around. After she moved out (I was just turning 27) I was too numb to care about women’s feelings. I was a toxic force to vulnerable good girls. It was then that I realized not giving a shit and truly having a defined mission made me much more attractive to way more woman than I was used to; in effect, sort of killed the beta without meaning too. Then the red pill helped fill in a lot of blanks. Hope this helps.

In a word, define your mission, don’t be more vulnerable than the girls you share your time with and you should be fine.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's my goal man thanks for sharing.

Define that mission and chase after it to the point where beta behaviour mostly shows itself out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

With a dull spoon.

[–]modern-day-hemingway0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I’m the same age & in the exact same position as you brother. It can be lonesome at times feeling like you’re the only dude focusing primarily on self-improvement rather than chasing women and other worthless endeavors, but posts like these make it clear we’re not the only ones.

Stay strong & keep grinding brother. It’ll pay off for us both and those like us

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If your username checks out, I also have long term visions of writing but I'm well aware how difficult that road is haha.

I will stay strong and good luck with your endeavours bro

[–]Mickusey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Knew I killed my beta when I stopped posting on trp as much for advice and just did things as they came to me without worrying about anything but my personal perceptions

Life's lit now bruh fr

[–]EXTNTH0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

the realization that women want the alpha male

[–]zeuswatch0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

With suffering

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most raw answer so far haha.

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[–]Figgybaum0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I left it in the tank that was too small and a heater that was too big... wait... what sub am I in?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You know, if you work hard enough eventually that cunt just folds up and dies...

If you truly want something (LIKE REALLY WANT IT), and work on transforming yourself into a person who has what you want, you will lose some and eventually all bad habits that detract from that in place of better ones. It's a natural process, eventually you won't even have to think about not touching your cock every 3 seconds or passing on the twinky, you will just have better shit to do..

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Lol you write off chasing women and getting a PhD as useless? The fuck do you do thats so much better?

You're 22. Chase pussy. Get a good degree.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Would u call philsophy or fine arts a good degree

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Better than reading reddit and not going to school which is what you seem yo be doing

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Im in a trades apprecenticeship and says the guy also reading reddit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Good for you.

I make bookoo money thanks to my advanced degree. Let me know how being an electrician works out for you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Its always the advanced degree people who take it personally lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's always the poor dumbfucks from your hometown who think being a plumber is a good thing.

[–]latinasonly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

interact within everyone as honestly as reasonably possible. look people in the eye and be straight up with people.

everyone has an fucking badass animal within.......

[–]JohnGaltAWALT1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy

"Useless PhD academia stuff"

Graduated summa cum laude with my CS and Math degrees

I get paid

You're an idiot

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy

They're getting PHDs in philosophy, animal bio, and Fine arts

You're an idiot for automatically assuming STEM bro- if u wanna play that game.

Don't take shit so personally. Just cause they got useless PHDs doesn't mean all PHD people are useless.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

A PhD in almost anything indicates a pretty advanced level of knowledge. Girls like that. Not sure why you're shitting on it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

People take that line so personally when they really shouldnt- if you knew the guys I was talking about you would see what I mean.

These arent harvard grads on the cutting edge or leaders of the community in their discipline. They pals Im talking about are literally going the PHD route to avoid the real world and putting off work as long as possible.

Second- they arent in a PHD program even, thats just their aspirations/endgame so its not like they even have anything to show for it besides a few years of undergrad. Im 22- Im not chilling with PHDs just yet.

3rd- This is bigger than girls MrZeroBetas, tell me the career prospects of an underachieving philosphy grad outside of academia teaching philosphy and keeping the cycle going and get back to me.

I stand by it. Useless PHDs are definitely out there, I am not talking about the overachiever trying to get the 4.0/research opportunities like crazy and hustling to be a leader in their field. Im talking about the middle of the pack paper churners who rely on teaching grants as work(unless they love teaching obviously)

People reading into that line way too much.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

3rd- This is bigger than girls MrZeroBetas, tell me the career prospects of an underachieving philosphy grad outside of academia teaching philosphy and keeping the cycle going and get back to me.

There's useless degrees in every field, it all depends on what you make of it. [Also you spelled 'philosophy' wrong so maybe some self-awareness wouldn't kill ya? ;-) ]

Im talking about the middle of the pack paper churners who rely on teaching grants as work(unless they love teaching obviously)

Sure but you can say that about any academic field. The bellcurve is a real thing, that doesn't mean its useless to further your education just because you'll never win a Nobel.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Im typing on mobile quickly- I caught the mistake also but I let it go because I knew u would call it out :)

Lol tell that to the CS/Math people who think they are Neo from the matrix or the second coming of Jesus.

Thats exactly my point- no harm done to the people who make something of it but I know plenty who barely find work and wind up with a shit ton of student debt so they can paint better or know what one specific flap on a dolphin vocal cord does- props to them for trying but you cant be afraid to look at the big picture and jump ship when its clearly not gonna work out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You're shitting on people for not doing anything but getting a phd is doing something.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I aint aint shitting on anybody- I wrote this to ask a question that you havent even contributed a valuable answer too. Instead you narrow in one line and havent let go.

You are just defending yourself- cause it pleases you and you feel some obligation to do it.

Dont think I havent picked up on your game bro :)

Let it go.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I gave you a valuable answer. You're a dumb fuck with no women or career prospects and are not on a path yo change any of that.

That message is more honest and potentially helpful than anything else you'll read here.

But you're defensive because Im right so you wont take it to heart.

That's cool. Enjoy the porn and minimum wage. I'm out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm all smiles with this comment.

The only person whos defensive is you. You literally read the Ph.D. thread right above this and would know that I'm not dismissing PHDs. Take your negative-ass message that offers nothing constructive and only insults, fuck off TROLL.

What we have here is a Grade-A bitter Asshole who likes making noise & angry arguments, nothing to see here folks.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Fair enough but again, of all the things to disparage for beta-ness, I don't think furthering your knowledge is even remotely close to the top.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh yeah for sure- and when they get their degrees who knows who they might become but for now they are literally head in the sand college pals running in circles haha

We shall see I guess.

[–]Invaincu0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

How much do you get paid?

[–]JohnGaltAWALT0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I don't want to provide too much identifying information but low six figures and I am not killing myself with the hours or work schedule. There is definitely room to grow. I highly recommend CS, software, and math--everything is moving toward automation.

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[–]Invaincu0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

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Combination of salary (base) and metric-based pay.

[–]Invaincu0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for the informatiom, I intend going in sales since the money is fucking incredible, but still deciding if a CS degree would be useful.

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