Why does TRP not say UMC women instead of women?

alreadyredschool · 2018-02-28T19:43:13+00:00

They totally ignore a large chunk of women who they don't care exist

storffish · 2018-02-28T19:52:46+00:00

they write about who they encounter. what does your average TRPer look like, demographically? white or maybe asian, middle class+, late teens to mid twenties, smart, socially reserved/awkward/introverted, pursuing a technical or "nerdy" field, probably attending or attended college. he's the top of his class kinda guy with great career/educational prospects who just never had a great social life as a teenager or young adult, who could never seal the deal with girls for any number of reasons. maybe he was too focused on school, or had the wrong approach, or was just too timid to ask anyone out.

those guys aren't going to encounter hood rats or trailer trash on any even remotely regular basis. they're not gonna cross paths with those girls. if they were raised by a single mother she was almost certainly a divorcee and not the type of girl to have 3 kids by 3 men by age 23. they're going to run into educated girls who are also from (at least) decently well-off families. those girls get plenty trashy too, but in a drunken-instagram-pics-at-coachella kind of way, not a locked-up-for-soliciting kind of way.

and because our average TRPer is studying in a highly-technical, male-dominated field he's not going to encounter many single, dateable women in his classes, he's going to have to look further afield to more female-dominated schools and majors. ever dated a communications student? those bitches get wild. if all you ever dated were state school comm girls you'd think women were nuts... at least in my experience. but that's why you hear such an inordinate amount of complaining about women's studies majors and college feminists: a guy who's not encountering women in his classes will inevitably end up looking for girlfriends in the pool of women who don't encounter men in their classes. women's studies, sociology, literature... majors that tend to have a feminist bent.

so those are the girls they write about. cute, privileged, smart-but-acting-dumb 20-something chicks with social media addictions. it's natural to project a bit and assume the people you encounter most make up a larger portion of the population than they actually do.

obviously that's not every redpiller, but it's definitely a sizeable plurality.

abaxeron · 2018-02-28T22:45:14+00:00

Show me a nation, a community, a town, any statistically significant sample in which a) on average, women are primary breadwinners in a household, and b) relationships where women arer primary breadwinners are, on average, more stable.

AWALT is not "all women are terrible". AWALT is "all women possess female nature".

exit_sandman · 2018-02-28T19:45:44+00:00

If you believe only upper middle class women are assholes, you're sorely mistaken. I would even go so far to argue that the more plebejan faction is more likely to produce them.

Christian_Kong · 2018-02-28T19:54:22+00:00

Are you suggesting that UMC women are the only ones who are attractive to men, even during their prime years?

blackedoutfast · 2018-02-28T21:03:11+00:00

shitty strawman. that's not at all what AWALT means.

AWALT means every woman has the capacity to completely throw away a good relationship with a decent guy and become a cheating slut just because she happened to cross paths with a high SMV guy at the right place at the right time.

AWALT does NOT mean that every woman WILL cheat. it just means that they could cheat. and most women don't cheat every time they have a chance.

AWALT is a concept for naive guys who are overly trusting in their girlfriend/wife even when she starts doing very suspicious stuff.

and yes, AWALT means all women, across all social classes.

pangeacel · 2018-02-28T19:46:36+00:00

Besides the obvious talking points, I think it's also important to note that culture is often pushed down to the masses. The TRP narrative of women (or rather, the TRP narrative of the feminist imperative) has some inkling of truth to it, so it's an attractive way to sell an ideology. Maybe only UMC women are hot instagram thots fucking chad on the cock carousel before beta cuxing some unsuspecting engineer, but it could be plausible to state that many women aspire to be this woman.

newName543456 · 2018-02-28T23:44:36+00:00

then turn around and say unattractive men are invisible to women.

You have failed to show anything that proves otherwise.

[deleted] · 2018-02-28T20:12:50+00:00

Why do you think solely UMC women are chasing Chads?

Entropy-7 · 2018-03-01T02:44:08+00:00

I don't know the exact breakdown, but a large chunk of TRP guys (especially those who write more intelligent and informative posts) are over the age of 22 and therefore probably not in college. A lot of night game involves venues that are not college pubs. Similarly, day game is a mixed bag and you don't need to be pursuing a college degree to have an internet connection and a Tinder or OKC account. TRPers tend to be urbanites but then again America itself is 80%+ urbanized.

The fact that a woman is a 5 or a 4 or less and therefore not the focus of most men doesn't mean that they, on a fundamental level, behave much differently than a 7 or 8+.

AWALT covers the spectrum in age and SES from 16 to 40+ and WC to UMC+. UC people (top 1%) have their own issues, but otherwise most things still apply to most women most of the time. Now, mathematically speaking if "most" means 70% of the time and I gave you three most's then that is just over a third of the time that you can take it as gospel.

Gravel_Roads · 2018-02-28T21:13:06+00:00

I don't agree with "AWALT", either. If a woman is genuinely attracted to you, as in, not merely settling for you, she won't behave like that. The problem is, these "seduction" communities are largely comprised of physically unattractive men. If you're unattractive, mostly all women ARE "like that", because the only relationship an unattractive man can get is with someone who settles for him, and the only casual sex he can get is with women who have serious issues or ulterior motives. Settlers are generally dishonest people to begin with, who don't really respect their partners, and eventually grow to resent them. This is the core reason behind so much of the neurotic and demanding female behavior the PUA/Redpill community describes.

concacanca · 2018-02-28T19:58:04+00:00

Im from a working class background, went to college and now am solidly middle class.

Women from all walks of life are riding the CC. Whilst college women have it easiest due to concentration and availability of men their age, you are fooling yourself if you think that there arent poor women having casual sex, as well as rich women.

What I think you are getting at is that not all women engage in casual sex - which is true.

However its also true that unattractive men are invisible to women.

goatismycopilot · 2018-03-01T00:40:36+00:00

When UMC women make mistakes like get nailed for drunk driving or other stupid shit, get pregnant at the wrong time or with working class Chad's baby their parents bail them out when working class women make mistakes and end up pregnant at the wrong time they have the baby. So everybody thinks the working class woman who had her first baby at 18 or 19 is trashy. UMC people do not make better choices when young they just have more options. Working class women who make it to university are either working a job or furiously paddling to maintain their scholarships, UMC women have credit cards funded by their parents so when they do go wild it is on vaca away from their subcultures.

[deleted] · 2018-02-28T20:22:42+00:00

Those other kinds of women probably aren't interested in them anyway - so, sure - these women don't exist in their reality. All good.

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PBRScagsquad · 2018-02-28T20:50:26+00:00

implying it's solely UMC women they are pursuing or interested in

[deleted] · 2018-02-28T22:47:06+00:00

large chunk of women

I suppose that large chunk could only be fat women. Especially if by chance you are from US. Ugly slim women, well you could have a point here since women almost never do the approaching (it is against our cultural norms and I doubt it is bound to change in near future) so they can only wait for a man to come her way.

reluctantly_red · 2018-03-01T02:02:38+00:00

AWALT seems to be best applied to UMC wannabes (like my ex-wife). Women who never put in the work it takes to actually become UMC if you were not born into it. They spent their high school and college years partying and are then surprised to find that their AA degree is not a ticket to the big league. They are faced with a choice. Go back to school and get some real credentials which of course entails work and sacrifice or look for a Beta white night. Guess which option most choose.

Priene · 2018-03-01T13:45:58+00:00

I don't get why TRP says AWALT or makes generalizations when they are focused on a small percentage of women. No, most women are not 6+ women in college who show off their great lives and have tons of casual sex with Chad. They totally ignore a large chunk of women who they don't care exist and then turn around and say unattractive men are invisible to women.

Because most women are naturally thin and pretty? just like most men are so. Don't pay attention to red pillers. They're at the bottom of the barrel and they still insist most people are like them. Sure. Just visit Ibiza and let's see how many fatties there are.

SpaceWhiskey · 2018-03-01T18:21:06+00:00

One of my favorite arguments I’ve had in this sub was with a guy who was saying women are too picky, and claimed he was attracted to the vast majority of women. But soon revealed that by that he meant the vast majority of thin, feminine, white college students aged 18-23. Lol.

Bichpwner · 2018-03-01T23:28:14+00:00

This is true of all extreme partisan ideologues.

They will demand others accept an entirely reasonable "not all x are y" argument, aimed at the opposing extreme, whilst moronically peddling an "all x are y" narrative of their own.

For the extreme left, it's all men, all whites, all the successful, that are unanimously evil parasites.

For the extreme right, it's all women, all blacks (or Jews), all the unsuccessful, that are parasites.

It's just ignorance, although they do serve their important purpose, which is to expose the rest of us to bad arguments, that we may inoculate ourselves.

wracky272 · 2018-02-28T19:38:13+00:00

Because the onus to approach is typically on the man, and men are typically willing to settle further than women (particularly if they themselves are unattractive).

Invisible uggos exist on both sides, and it's always a shitty existence. However, if a man is unhappily single, it's viewed as his fault alone. If a women is unhappily single, it's still some man's fault for not accepting her.

AstuteBlackMan · 2018-02-28T21:40:40+00:00

Because AWALT is better because majority of women have a distinct nature among them in this society regardless of if they have different social or political views.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2018-02-28T20:13:24+00:00

All young women go to parties, get drunk and ride Chad dick. Trashy girls do it the trashy way, middle class girls do it the middle class way, rich girls do it the rich way, but it's always a bunch of chads, a dozen girls and a whole lotta drinking.

The only girls who are invisible are fat, ugly or abrasive ones. Also, nerdy girls are naughty and are even more entitled because they think they're smart, so their dream chad has to have a phd on top of being tall, dark and handsome.

This post reeks of entitlement it's not even funny, how can you say that women are invisible if you can get ten chads at your door with ten swipes on tinder?

Title	Why does TRP not say UMC women instead of women?
Author	VampyBaby
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Date	February 28, 2018 7:26 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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