TRP mimics the syptoms of being attractive, not the cause.

TheGreasyPole · 2017-10-11T14:04:56+00:00

OK,

Now we’re talking. You’re wrong... but this is a great convo to have.

The answer is.... Actually no, but what you’ve just described is what PUAs do. The whole PUA game thing isn’t “trying to fake/spoof being an actually attractive man in front of the opposite sex”.

That’s what their scripts and tricks are trying to do.

And in the beginning.... there was only PUA....

The one day some PUAs had an epiphany.... “What if instead of faking being a desirable man, we actually just want out and built ourselves INTO desirable men ? This might be easier than faking it, and also be more successful as there is no longer any facade for the chick to see through”.

They worked out it was easier to build a desirable man than to fake one!

And lo, in the year of our lord 20-tum-te-tum thus was born RP out of the PUA movement with original ex-PUA luminaries like Pook, and Rollo, and Roosh and all the rest.

PUA is about building that facade, and that is all it is.

RP is about building the attractive man that means you don’t need a facade, and only EVER using a PUA facade as a “crutch” whilst that attractive man is being built.

So we say .... Go and build the muscles, women like that. Don’t just try to fake then.

Go and be dominant, women like that. Don’t just try to fake that.

Go and be confident, be assertive, be bold and take action. Don’t just fake those things.

Go and Be the Prize do not pretend and fake that you are the prize. Be the prize.

And verily the lord did look down on RP, and he saw that it was good.

Eastuss · 2017-10-11T22:12:02+00:00

This is not entirely wrong, but enough wrong to ignore this.

Just look at ugly people being confident and shit. They're cringy, right? But are they more attractive while being confident, or while being not? Very often, you'll found that they're better as a little bit cringy but confident than nothing.

Lot of things which are attractive are complete illusions. And in men, it's even worst. There's no real interest in being exactly the illusion you appear like.
A part's of men SMV is their marketing skills. A good marketer will convince a woman he's worthy, and it doesn't matter if he's partly lying, because being a good marketer acts both as direct and indirect seduction skill.
Fake it until you make it is exactly how confidence work. Most of men's seducing skills gets acquired through practice, and most practice is started through having a little bit of it already or through faking it. Women will want to convince you that they prefer men "natural" at it, but it's a big lie, "natural" men are those who learned earlier than you (because you got ostracised or are a late bloomer). I have a bad posture, I try to fake a good posture until it becomes natural, it's like that.
People who are unsuccessful are like that because they mainly have a bad mentality. They do not think they're worth anything so they don't try, they do not think people should do this for them so they don't ask. At some point, if you want your life to improve, you have to start asking and taking things for yourself, for your own good. And that is not fake it/be natural at it, it's non sense. It's just a personal realization.
There's no reason you shouldn't act like you're worthy of anything. Even if you're ugly, the fact you behave right will convince others deep down that you're worthy. Enough people are complete sheep to just follow that blindly without asking. This join what I said on marketing. People always tell you to not put yourself down at a job interview, this is exactly the same thing.

Doom_and-Gloom · 2017-10-11T13:54:55+00:00

I've been saying this for a while, actually. TRP's greatest flaw is that it's working from the assumption that it's a man attitudes or mindset that make him attractive, it's not...

Dmva100 · 2017-10-11T13:58:20+00:00

Confidence, assertiveness, ambition, etc. Are non sexual attributes and women only appreciate them if they cater to the BB aspect of AF/BB. If any Alpha or Chad has them it's a bonus but not essentially. Women fuck hot guys just because they are attractive, even if they don't have a lot of confidence or big career achievements etc.

Electra_Cute · 2017-10-11T13:06:57+00:00

I am almost certain that The Red Pill was written with males who could already get females, but needed a bit of extra help in mind, as opposed to completely unsuccessful males.

Failing to point out the fact that each guy is model tier, hunter eyes, high cheeck bone, chin sharp as a knife motherucker God of symmetry.

More irritating "lookism"...

Debra_Lou · 2017-10-11T21:36:00+00:00

People often confuse the cause and its consequence though. Hot guys are confident with women as a result of their positive interactions with them (because we react in a certain way towards them).

Confidence is almost always a consequence of being good or superior at something or possessing superior attributes. Tiger Woods is (I'm guessing) relatively confident in his golf skills because he is actually good at golf. His confidence is merely a result of that, not the cause. A poor player could have the same level of confidence, he wouldn't perform as well. He'd just be delusional. Likewise the inherent superiority of the good looking guy is what makes him attractive to us. His confidence is a result of that, but it's not the cause of the attraction. Being confident without the underlying qualities or attribute sis called being delusional.

1UPZ_ · 2017-10-11T21:49:47+00:00

Personal anetedote.

Im not actually hideous. 6'4", rated 6.5/10 on truerateme. Had succes with women through trying TRP. Better career, better personality etc.

Than I met my friend.. he is an 8/10 man (purely looks).

Women eye fuck him on the street, his roomates friend will accidently walk into his room when he's naked.. awkward right? Nope they had sex. Women call him up for sex, I mean women he hasnt spoken to in months.

He doesn't use tinder, says it isn't fun, still fucked more women than everyone commenting on this sub.

Whats he got? Yea he's confident, but he also watches anime. He's assertive, but he's also unemployed. Hmm he is lacking a lot of these top 20% qualities..

But he's good looking. It doesn't matter how much money I earn, how esteemed I am, how big my social circle is. Women, on average, will always prefer him to me.

I was happier when I was ignorant to this fact. If he's in the room, I have no chance.

EliteSpartanRanger · 2017-10-11T15:25:29+00:00

If females are ok with tricking men that they are attractive by hiding in tons of makeup, then it is ok for men to trick women, verbally or physically.

Love8Death · 2017-10-11T13:08:54+00:00

No, this is making the assumption that the only thing attractive about a person is found in their outward appearance. Creating a good impression isn't about lying about what kind of person you are, but demonstrating your best characteristics. It's the same reason you don't show up to a job interview in your boxers and flip flops. Acting politely, professionally , gratuitously, and confidently is not necessarily a lie. Attractive qualities are often found in attitude and behavior, they are not mere symptoms of being physically attractive. Being physically attractive obviously helps, but dressing and acting like a monkey it won't save you.

A beautiful woman is still made less attractive when she obnoxiously clears her throat and coughs it into a napkin and then proceeds to pick her nose. Hard not to read that without cringing. Attraction is as much about traits and behaviors as it is about the physical composition--mating material is not limited to appearance alone.

It's the same reason masculine behaving women are seen more unattractive for it, or vice versa. As a male, if you are an unconfident whiny little shit you will be seen more unattractive for it.

Debra_Lou · 2017-10-11T17:04:34+00:00

Before worrying about game and tactics, the most important first step is doing all you can to become physically attractive. MOST men, and at least half of the incels, could bring themselves up to a "7" with enough time, effort and guidence. Looks are Gate #1. You gotta pass that hurdle first before your game even matters.

EliteSpartanRanger · 2017-10-11T21:32:16+00:00

When you say 7 you have to think "better than 70% of men". You really think its possible for an incel to better than 70% of men?

i_have_a_semicolon · 2017-10-11T17:16:44+00:00

Op, one response to all of these thoughtful replies?

voteGOPk · 2017-10-12T02:02:57+00:00

it sounds as if you are ready for the Black pill.

godspeed my friend

Entropy-7 · 2017-10-11T13:00:09+00:00

The key word here is "internalize".

Mutate and enjoy.

TRP is not a fucking acting school, OP.

single_use_acc · 2017-10-11T13:05:03+00:00

TBP mimics the symptoms of being competent, not the cause.

dailyqt · 2017-10-11T15:46:27+00:00

I, as a feminist, have absolutely no qualms with having casual sex with a lot of people, but that doesn't mean that it's not shitty for men to discuss women like we're goddamn science experiments. They invalidate our emotions, literally referring to them as "hamsters." The only purpose our "hamsters" serve is to cock block, so they discuss manipulating the hamsters, or emotions, to their advantage.

In short, TRP is fucking gross.

PaperStreetVilla · 2017-10-11T14:11:05+00:00

How passive aggressive do you have to be to avoid rule 2?

GunsGermsAndSteel · 2017-10-12T03:53:30+00:00

No, Red Pill teaches you that you need to actually BE those things.

By your logic, Red Pill wouldn’t constantly tell us to lift weights, it would tell us to get chest implants to look more muscular.

crackrocksteady7 · 2017-10-11T13:49:36+00:00

Failing to point out the fact that each guy is model tier, hunter eyes, high cheeck bone, chin sharp as a knife motherucker God of symmetry.

you "black pill incels" need to meet this guy I know, 5'5" 3-4/10 max, goes through a rotation of 8/10+ girls on the back of his bikes because he owns a business and carries a mason jar of quality weed on him everywhere and a bunch of coke too

stop bitching on reddit and go out and make things happen

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TheBookOfSeil · 2017-10-11T16:05:50+00:00

In which case you are just tricking a girl into liking you.

Congratulations, you have figured out the majority of the dating world.

BigLordShiggot · 2017-10-11T23:07:42+00:00

Fake it til you make it!

1UPZ_ · 2017-10-12T02:00:48+00:00

don't take "no" for an answer is stupid. There are ways to prove you are determined without saying "no".

Facts, influential skills, negotiation skills and ability to see another's agenda so you can plan around it to avoid a "no" answer are better and handier traits in both work and off-work situations.

Not accepting "no" is barbaric and if men in power follow this, the human race would be extinct sooner than later.

badnews4u · 2017-10-12T12:44:14+00:00

no i think you are confusing low effort posts and pua material with trp. honestly, just stick to honesty or integrity. you want to fuck some girl? you go an express it to her, you keep your needs in mind. you dont be the nice guy and manipulate and you dont be an asshole and manipulate. i think you are confusing the last bit as being trp - change the words whatever

BhaaluNecessities · 2017-10-16T17:53:51+00:00

There's no such thing as a man being "more attractive than he really is." If there's attraction, than the man is attractive by definition.

The popular advice on how to be attractive is wrong because people don't think critically about their emotions, and recognize the way attraction really works. TRP is more tuned into the way attraction really works, although it relies mostly on pseudo-science and personal experience that is colored by personal bias to support its theories.

TRP's way of copying what successful men do shouldn't be called emulation, because the goal of most people who swallow TRP is to integrate these behaviors permanently into their personalities. In other words, it's not emulation--it's the redefinition of the self.

I definitely agree with the OP when they say "most success from TRP is from getting already moderately attractive guys out of their room and in front of [women]." That being said, attractiveness and looks are not the same thing. Looks almost always help, but attraction is extremely nuanced, and depends on much more than looks.

kick6 · 2017-10-11T13:55:00+00:00

This is an almost a clever way of saying aesthetics is all that matters and aesthetics is genetics.

Almost.

Except it’s patently untrue. There’s a bunch of fuck-ugly, broke, semi-pro hockey players with missing teeth that defy your assertions.

[deleted] · 2017-10-11T16:27:11+00:00

Stop with the lookism crap

bala-key · 2017-10-11T17:19:59+00:00

Successful men are brash, confident, assertive and don't take no for an answer. Be like them, and you will be attractive.

Just like public speaking or salesmanship you can acquire these skills through training.

Dead simple example: approach a hundreds of times, chat up people (all kinds of people) to get over your fear of rejection. You'll numb yourself to this fear. It won't affect you any more.

Do this and you'll be objectively more confident. You don't have to speculate about it on an internet forum. This is something you can try yourself. Go out in the real world and approach 200 people and see how it changes you.

And this just one tiny aspect of genuinely changing yourself ("inner game") and not just "acting".

Abundance mentality etc operate along the same principles.

The rest of what you write is just lookism bullshit.

MagicGainbow · 2017-10-11T13:47:56+00:00

I would say I am innately attractive, but trp helped me on the mental side of things, they don't always occur(I would say life factors play a part).

Title	TRP mimics the syptoms of being attractive, not the cause.
Author	VoidPill
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Date	October 11, 2017 12:56 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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