Would you say gender roles should be "forced" on people?

littleyellowpills · 2016-05-15T13:38:15+00:00

I believe individual rights trump societal obgligations, however you should be prepared for society rejecting you if you decide to reject societies rules.

despisedlove2 · 2016-05-15T13:59:34+00:00

no, but treating people like heroes for breaking them is retarded. People should be educated that gender roles exist for a reason, and that they're unlikely to find happiness and success swimming upstream

Archwinger · 2016-05-15T13:56:54+00:00

Gender roles should be expanded. Not rewritten. That avoids the whole feeling of being forced. But people will always judge things they don't like. If not for gendered reasons than just as personal preference.

For example, the hard working, supportive wife who submits herself to her husband's leadership and is happy with his guidance for the family and the way he cares for her and the children is often dubbed as outdated. People declare that women who think they like that don't really. They're just brainwashed by the patriarchy, which should be done away with.

However, slutty career women are still women, not men. That should also be an acceptable role for women to fill. People should treat women differently based on their actions and accomplishments, not on some notion of what a real woman ought to be. You can/should still judge sluts (or "oppressed" housewives), according to your own values, just not due to some notion of proper gender roles.

Likewise, the muscle-bound cocky player and the beer swilling truck driver are still acceptable male gender roles. They should be expanded upon, not replaced. If society wants to stop questioning the manhood of scrawny cubicle jock IT workers and androgynous crybabies, great. More options for men. But mamby pamby wimpy guys shouldn't replace other legitimate roles. Just add to the options.

VermiciousKnidzz · 2016-05-15T13:58:05+00:00

I think they shouldn't be "forced" on people, but I think people should be aware how rejecting them can be harmful to their lives.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2016-05-15T14:56:05+00:00

Absolutely not.

I think everyone should be allowed to pick what they want for their own lives.

You're a man who really wants to be around kids because you like kids (in a nonsexual way of course)? Great. Go be a babysitter. No one should tell you otherwise.

You're a woman who really wants to work in a coal mine for some reason? Whatever.

We just shouldn't act surprised when most men and women tend to flock to traditional roles because those roles were traditional due to inherent preferences by those genders in the first place.

This should be an accepted trend, not an enforced law.

squirrelcuisine · 2016-05-17T07:50:18+00:00

I think you should do whatever you think is right for you.

seriously..

want to dress as a woman.. I dont care. Im 45.. this has YET to impact me in ANY way. Honestly this whole issue seems like a goddamn liberal distraction to keep them from focusing on something I could give a shit about.

I wish we had more kickass liberals with their head screwed on straight and would champion something I give a damn about.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2016-05-15T18:14:28+00:00

forced by whom? the government?

[deleted] · 2016-05-15T16:55:02+00:00

The question is, what does "forced" mean in this context?

Do you mean plain old women not being allowed to do X period?

See, when most SJW's and media talk about forced gender roles in america, they are saying things like movie actors shouldn't be too muscular because it sets unrealistic standards, or actresses shouldn't be too perfect, for the same reason.

I don't believe anything legal should be set in, but no one should be criticized for following their own gender role and identity. Too much talk about toxic masculinity.

drok007 · 2016-05-15T21:01:39+00:00

No. RP is not collectivist, that is BP thinking.

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Entropy-7 · 2016-05-15T15:18:28+00:00

What do you mean by gender "roles"? Do you mean in terms of employment: "men's jobs" and "women's jobs"? Or do you mean things like wearing miniskirts and makeup?

Edit: and family roles such as parenting, breadwinning, housework division and such?

[deleted] · 2016-05-15T16:12:17+00:00

They should not be forced on people, and they aren't forced on people anywhere in the western world. The whole idea of gender roles in the west is ridiculous and stupid and it actually undermines the entire concept of gender being a by-product of culture.

[deleted] · 2016-05-15T17:11:42+00:00

Regardless of whether gender roles are legit or not, you do agree that people shouldn't have to be follow them if they don't want to, right?

No. Most people are at the level of children. They need to have clear ground rules or they just end up hurting themselves, in short or long term.

[deleted] · 2016-05-15T20:02:09+00:00

No, I like gender roles, but only for myself. I don't think you can force anything on anyone, and you certainly can't put certain people in roles they aren't made for.

If you enforce gender roles you will end up with a lot more Red Pill Women - women who are completely unsuited for being housewives.

Whisper · 2016-05-16T00:36:04+00:00

"Should" is just another way of saying "I want".

betterdeadthanbeta · 2016-05-16T15:55:08+00:00

Accept your gender role or go into exile. If you can't play by the rules, gtfo out of civilization and go start your own.

gasparddelanuit · 2016-05-16T17:25:08+00:00

Regardless of whether gender roles are legit or not, you do agree that people shouldn't have to be follow them if they don't want to, right?

Is anyone actually advocating that people should have to follow gender roles?

Clearly, people should and do have the freedom not to conform to gender roles, at least in the West.

[deleted] · 2016-05-16T19:09:26+00:00

Absolutely not.

[deleted] · 2016-05-17T12:06:11+00:00

No.

However I believe that society actively suppresses men who act masculine and actively promotes women who act like men, right now, in the Western world, the opposite of gender roles are being promoted. It sickens me and whatever happens, one way or the other it will end.

kick6 · 2016-05-17T14:22:56+00:00

They shouldn't be forced to, no, just like you aren't forced to follow the law. But....but...there are consequences.

JuniperSunshine · 2016-05-17T19:29:08+00:00

No. I just want feminists to extend the favor and stop judging "progress" as less women staying home like me and more of them becoming career women (the only possible way to get 50% representation). They've been trying their best to force women to do the opposite of their traditional roles for years. For example, feminists and divorce lawyers teamed up to initiate no fault divorce laws partially to "end the notion that 'being a wife' is a career".

Feminist sociologist Jessie Bernard, remarked about no fault divorce that the “very deprivation of assured support as long as they live may be one of the best things that could happen to women” ( The Future of Marriage, 1982)

adrixshadow · 2016-05-19T06:04:27+00:00

Gender Roles are naturally enforced.

Your cushy service job is not much of a job.

Society itself has to be structure to remove the errors it has created and that is non-negotiable, regardless of women winning, you cannot get rewarded for nothing and you cannot get power without responsibility.

The new society will have nothing in common with both the old or the current one.

winndixie · 2016-05-22T07:33:01+00:00

I don't even believe the human element should be forced on people. People shouldn't have to be included in society and events if they don't want to. As children, parents should interact with them as LEAST as possible to avoid infecting their brains with horrible misdeeds of humans such has pollution and overpopulation. They should even teach their children not to breed out of civic responsibility.

Title	Would you say gender roles should be "forced" on people?
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Date	May 15, 2016 1:36 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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