How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?

drok007 · 2015-07-14T20:53:07+00:00

My personal views are more or less the same from before I found out about /r/TRP. I could change my views if there was evidence though .

Raiil · 2015-07-14T21:07:56+00:00

I still don't agree with them on most fundamental stuff, but seeing the trp community as a demographic with some wide-ranging opinions is really enlightening (in a good way).

nomdplume · 2015-07-14T22:04:31+00:00

I would say that I'm looking to refine my views.

I'm also open to changing my views, but it would take more than "TRP is sexist!" or "That's just not true!" to change my views.

And since, to my mind, most (if not all) BPers fail to truly understand what the Red Pill model of sexual dynamics describes, let alone providing a viable alternate model to present ("everyone is different/a speshul snowflake" doesn't count as an alternative for me), I don't think I'll have the opportunity to change my views any time soon.

And I would love to change my views - I'm always looking for the most accurate representations/models for human behavioral dynamics. I could really use something even more useful/productive/powerful than RP right now. For better or worse, RP is about the best at it at this point...

nomdplume · 2015-07-14T23:05:58+00:00

I'm just here to clown on whoever seems most assured of their self-righteousness. Right now, that is the Blues.

drok007 · 2015-07-14T21:25:33+00:00

I originally argued for TRP, but I realized they have some issues. I've changed my beliefs, now it's more that TBP is just wrong.

Dreamtrain · 2015-07-14T22:06:05+00:00

I'm willing to have my views changed.

I just haven't seen much at all on this sub that does change my views.

I have changed my thinking, though, on The Wall.

Conventional RP thinking is (or used to be) that a woman hits The Wall at 30 and becomes a dried up raisin whose only hope lies in spinsterhood and cats. That's not true at all.

There are women who are marrying for the first time in their late 30s and even mid to late 40s. A woman can be quite attractive well into her 30s if she's taken care of herself. I've seen a couple of women who are still good looking in their early 50s (granted, with good genes and with proper nutrition and exercise).

And even very, very unattractive women can still marry, pretty much whenever they want. If a woman is even fairly attractive, her N won't matter at all -- she'll still be able to find a man willing to marry her. She might have been the town bike and had sex with the equivalent of the NFL -- won't matter at all. If she's decently attractive, she'll be able to marry.

So, in my view, The Wall doesn't have anything like the impact on a woman that RP at least formerly claimed it does.

ECoast_Man · 2015-07-15T00:42:42+00:00

I feel as if I come here as a prophet. In the sense that almost all grievances with TRP are based on oversimplification and misinformation.

That aside, I have had a few decent discussions here. I can count them on one hand because it usually deteriorates to calling me a basement dweller, cheezy eater, but the ones that actually debate, I've found worthwhile.

If I didn't I wouldn't be here.

wtknight · 2015-07-15T00:21:04+00:00

I am in my 40's and happily married, so I doubt some sexually frustrated 20 year old is going to convince me that he suddenly understands how every woman is completely the same and how he can now have sex with any of these "plates" anytime he wants, and that this is even a desirable lifestyle to begin with.

A married Red Piller closer to my age might be able to convince me about something, but I doubt their uber-traditionalist views would ever do such a thing either. I know what works in my marriage and it's definitely not Red Pill.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2015-07-15T01:07:13+00:00

I am 100% willing to change my opinions upon encountering NEW arguments. At 45, this almost never happens on forums like reddit.

I have 180ed my entire understanding of economics in the face of incipient automation and discovering Modern Monetary Theory, for example, in the past 5 years

autoNFA · 2015-07-14T21:13:26+00:00

I've changed my view on the theory "men love idealistically, women love pragmatically". I used to think that, now I think that men and women probably have the same general levels of love idealism. In particular, the study that women are less likely to leave sick husbands than vice versa cast too much doubt on that theory for me to continue accepting it as true. I don't think that study proves the reverse of the theory, however; it just casts too much doubt on the theory.

[deleted] · 2015-07-14T23:43:04+00:00

I come here to find critiques of RP concepts. Sometimes, they can be pretty convincing.

[deleted] · 2015-07-15T04:30:50+00:00

I came in not having any "views" or knowing where they fell or who a "TRPer" really was. I ran across the subreddit from /r/gamerghazi. I like people watching and this was an interactive live version of it.

For those of you who have had views changed,

"Who" TRPers were. I was completely wrong in my original hypothesis and I've even changed it a few times.

which ones were they, and how did the change happen?

Asking a lot of questions and lines of questioning with them. A lot of lightbulb moment for who different people were. I've met a lot of different people in my travels and I'm almost to the point of tagging TRPers with people I know on Facebook. My wife and I will talk about the types of TRPers and who we know that are like them IRL.

Most of the time we just roll our eyes. She also loves 'psych' studies and we've figured that most TRPers have never taken a statistics course in their life. If nothing else at least read How To Lie with Statistics

intentions to discuss, think about, and possibly adapt your views, or just arguing stubbornly?

With the intentions of running across 'me' from when I was pre-TRP and open to believing it. Maybe influence him away from TRP into another path. And if not, at least I'll be here for the slow trainwreck.

Qucumatz · 2015-07-15T04:31:18+00:00

I am absolutely willing to have my views changed. my views have already considerably changed and deviate from TRP in several significant ways. While most of my views align with TRP I refuse to identify as RP because they're idiots trapped in a circlejerk. (being right and being stupid aren't mutually exclusive.)

Yonderlander · 2015-07-14T22:00:08+00:00

Things altered- I had no idea that there were white western guys who felt hard done to as guys, never mind the idea that women were more privelidged than them. Though I don't agree that women have it easier overall, I can see that there are some areas where we have it easier, like being able to show emotions more, more readily able support etc. Though pulling isn't the walk in the park RPers think it is for women, perhaps overall we are less likely to die as kissless virgins. They are hopeless at sympathising with the Madonna/ whore complex though, in fact I think they're the members of society perpetuating it.

Hamstering is a great term. Men and women do it equally, and Terps do it more than anyone, but I think I spot it more easily 'in the wild' now, and am more conscious not to do it myself having seen it so much from Terpers on here.

CursedLemon · 2015-07-14T21:01:01+00:00

I've traveled over half our cyberspace to be here. I couldn't get away sooner because someone was wrong somewhere else on the internet and I had to see about it, but if I say I am an argument man then you will agree.

AmericanHistoryAFBB · 2015-07-15T05:06:20+00:00

Throughout my year of going on Red Pill, Blue Pill, and Purple Pill (on my old accounts) I have went from Blue, to Red, to Blue, to Purple, and then back to Red. Red is where it's at.

Amberleaf29 · 2015-07-15T05:42:18+00:00

Some of my views have been changed and some of them have stayed the same. I try my absolute hardest to look at both sides and not judge so I've been trying to figure out how each "side" is misunderstanding the other side - because there is quite a lot of misunderstanding going on, I think. Since I am also still relatively young, not all my opinions have really been formed yet so I'm still trying to take in as much information as I can.

SaintOfPirates · 2015-07-15T07:57:57+00:00

Nothing is above scrutiny. Not even my views or beliefs.

GaiusScaevolus · 2015-07-15T13:48:59+00:00

I am willing to have my views change in the face of evidence and/or logical argument. That's how a lot of TRPers got here in the first place. I certainly didn't grow up holding these views on gender dynamics and sexual strategy.

thereddespair · 2015-07-15T14:52:33+00:00

i have no sentiment over my beliefs and opinions. i can change them instantly the moment i see another is better

Cyralea · 2015-07-15T16:29:30+00:00

I used to be hardline anti-religion (former /r/atheism member no less). I've since written how religion has actually been beneficial for human development.

I used to think that guns ought to be completely outlawed, everywhere. I've since changed my mind that a more nuanced approach based on existing gun supply makes more sense.

I used to be very, very against American military aggression. I've since come to accept that there are significant benefits to it.

I used to be a die-hard liberal. Moderate conservative now.

TRP'ers in general tend to be pragmatists. We believe what's true, not what makes us feel good. TBP is the polar opposite. Certain ideas make them feel good internally, and these ideas are immutable. They are right and everyone else is wrong (and evil).

lbspredh · 2015-07-15T17:00:04+00:00

I've been swayed in both directions on different topics, I really like when you guys stop the childish bickering long enough to get into the deeper sociology of the discussion

[deleted] · 2015-07-15T17:27:08+00:00

I went from libertarian, to SJW, to somewhere in between, over the past 20 years or so.

Sepean · 2015-07-15T20:10:39+00:00

With the sort of personal experiences I've been through, I can't see how I could possibly be convinced that TRP wasn't right. I guess the theory behind the advice could change, and some changes and improvements to the advice will undoubtedly come about with change; though I think those will be discovered on TRP and not PPD.

The problem with PPD is that the non-RP crowd isn't even trying. They don't try to understand TRP, they don't experiment with relationship dynamics, they don't have any strategy to replace TRP. They just have outrage.

It's like communists yelling at economists for saying free markets are efficient.

I come here because I would like to understand the bloopers better, and they are funny.

cravenravens · 2015-07-16T13:35:39+00:00

Well, I wouldn't call myself WILLING to have my views changed to something very negative about my gender and thus myself. But I'm honest and open minded, and I do sometimes think RPers have a point, to certain extent and in certain situations, etc.

modulok · 2015-07-14T20:58:57+00:00

I think, since participating here, I've opened up my mind to the biological differences between men and women that twerps have spoken about. I think I have also gone from de facto resentment of twerps to resenting them only after they've revealed that they are shitty.

Honestly, I may not agree with a lot of twerps as far as relationships go, but I have respect for quite a few of them now. Which I did not have before I started.

I just take the facts and mesh them with how interactions in my life go. And from what I can see, neither the blue pill or the red pill are absolute. Gotta do the dance.

exit_sandman · 2015-07-14T22:49:33+00:00

I came here for other reasons than to just argue my beliefs, but an alert poster did change my view on one topic. When I first came here, I'd heard of false claims of rape based on regret of consensual sex, and it was always presented as a "she decided he had too much acne" kind of scenario, which is stupid, even on the surface. In threads outside of this forum, and in this forum too, I've challenged the entire red pill (and brigades) to even come up with one real instance of this, and as yet, no one's been able to find any. That said, an alert poster pointed out that he'd heard of that happening, not in the scenario posited by redpillers, but in situations where religion dictates that the sexually active girl be ousted or shunned, and I had to agree, I have heard of that as well. Just not in this country, and not in the last hundred years or so in the country I'd heard of that happening in (Ireland, to be specific). Girls could be essentially imprisoned for life for premarital sex there.

Anyway, challenge is still open. One guy came close with a known case, but he was adult enough to admit that we don't really know the genesis of the girl's false claim.

prodigy2throw · 2015-07-14T21:06:42+00:00

ive changed my views because im open to change

cats_or_get_out · 2015-07-14T22:54:28+00:00

I love this sub because it makes me stop and question my assumptions. I don't have any rigid views that I am unwilling to alter.

I am not here to change anyone's mind but my own. You could all be robots for all I know.

I like the candor here. I appreciate how most of the posts here are civil and sincere. We often disagree, but we can disagree like adults and not like whiny children.

wazzup987 · 2015-07-15T00:07:03+00:00

I shifted more from cultural constructionist model to a ecnomically driven model. EVO psyche is still mostly bullshit though

[deleted] · 2015-07-15T00:11:25+00:00

I will change my views on the spot if someone presents a perspective that challenges my views and shows me things I wouldn't have though of.

[deleted] · 2015-07-15T01:09:32+00:00

I'm a pretty moderate RP, so it'll be pretty hard to disprove the few RP things I agree with. But I'll change them if I see overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

andrewisgood · 2015-07-15T01:57:46+00:00

So there is a good expression, I think by Carl Sagan. It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out. Hell, maybe women have something wrong with them biologically. The problem is, it seems unlikely. AWALT? So, yeah, I know what it means, TRP doesn't REALLY believe AWALT but use that mind set just in case. Well, willful ignorance is something I'm not really into.

It's tough because, yeah, some women are fucked up and bad people, some women are everything the red pill says they are. But, I don't live my life assuming half the population are all bad people or have something inherently wrong with them because I know that would be intellectually dishonest and it would be me stereotyping half the population. I'm not a bigot, so I think that also helps.

So yes, can I have my views changed? Of course I can. I've seen some bad feminist arguments. I've seen bad women. So, I know they exist. But there's a huge difference between that and the misogyny, bad science, sexism and all the fun stuff involved with the red pill.

veyron3003 · 2015-07-15T02:39:22+00:00

My views only change when there are facts proving me wrong.

Title	How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?
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Date	July 14, 2015 8:49 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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