TRP Men and Honor

InformalCriticism · 2015-05-29T02:04:56+00:00

Chris Rock said it best:

Men lie more, but women are the biggest liars.

Men: "I was at Jim's."

Women: "It's yours."

haircombsnightmare · 2015-05-28T22:05:51+00:00

If this is true, she wasn't very honorable either. But I find the belief that men are somehow more honorable than women just laughable.

SirNemesis · 2015-05-29T05:31:41+00:00

Why would you be honorable towards someone who is willing to fight dirty? That is asking for trouble.

GuitarsAreGettingOld · 2015-05-28T22:26:36+00:00

Honor is a concept designed to bend to someone else's will.

"Honor" sounds cool, but it's mostly crap.

Your own moral code, yes. Honor, no.

CisWhiteMaelstrom · 2015-05-29T00:50:44+00:00

At TRP, we unlearn that honor shit. It was holding us back.

Will_Im_Not · 2015-05-28T22:13:07+00:00

You don't get it, whenever a TRPer does something questionable it's "sexual strategy is amoral" or "women do the same thing so we're just leveling the playing field". But whenever a woman does something questionable it's "here's definitive proof that all women are immoral creatures".

mustang_mike · 2015-05-29T00:53:23+00:00

Intentionally getting pregnant in order to force someone to be with you is blackmail, plain and simple. I'd argue that it might be worse than regular blackmail, since you're also putting an innocent right in the middle of the bullshit.

Regarding the responses: If someone blackmails me, I'm sure as shit going to try and find a way to get out from under their control, because they're a crazy person and who knows what's going to happen next. Some of them are a little extreme for my tastes, but you have to keep in mind that she is the one who started this mess. An eye for an eye isn't always a solution, but it's also not never a solution.

max_peenor · 2015-05-29T02:15:21+00:00

Look on the bright side. She may miscarry.

So this is now a problem? I thought the feminista-left has been bleating about a "clump of cells" all this time. Now this man is supposed to care about a clump of cells?

Reginleifer · 2015-05-29T01:07:50+00:00

how are men more honorable?

Keeping in mind this question and this question only......

I don't think it is dishonorable to cheat and take advantage of a dishonorable or dishonest person. It does not remove honor, as honor can only exist amongst honorable men. (Think Geneva convention where the goal of limiting one's evil actions is the promise of limiting the evil done to you)

But whenever a woman does something questionable it's "here's definitive proof that all women are immoral creatures".

The difference between this and the woman whinging is that the women in question is usually breaking a contract or reneging on an otherwise "good or honest" man. At the very least a man that is fulfilling his obligations..... when a woman does that she becomes "dishonored" (not that western women have ANY sense of obligation to other people)

Do I approve of this suggestion? Hell no, I'm anti-abortion I think it's straight up murder. I'm not going to go "OMGZ rp is sooooo evul" though I'm arguing the question of honor. It's wrong to kill your offspring for personal gain, but the act of lying to a liar is not in itself a dishonorable act. Although I'd probably lie to obtain the opposite result.

I feel like an important detail that is lost in this story, is that the woman in question has been consuming alcohol while pregnant with this man's child. While this means nothing to me, I feel that many of our purple audience would benefit from this knowledge in determining the kind of person the girl in question is, and what kind of child one can expect.

Shame on OP for omitting this fact, and trying to present this poster in the worst possible light.

For what, winning an internet fight?

dragoness_leclerq · 2015-05-29T00:36:21+00:00

I have no idea who this guy is but something fucking hilarious I've noticed about some of these "victims" of "oops babies" claiming their girl lied about being on birth control tend quite often to be more so victims of their own shared stupidity.

One of my good guy friends got a girl pregnant and we both KNEW she wasn't on BC (claimed it made her fat/unstable, etc) yet he fucked her raw anyway relying on the pullout method. Yet sure enough, he went around telling everyone within earshot that she lied about being on BC, all in an attempt to save face and avoid criticism for opting to pull out in the first place. And I've known several couples like this who weren't doing anything besides pulling out then later blaming broken or ineffective contraceptive methods. Ah, bless.

At any rate, yeah if true, what she did was really fucked up and selfish but telling him to run from her and evade child support is the stupidest "advice" anyone could ever give. And of course, these same guys who run are the same types to later bitch about getting their wages garnished for child support arrears.

ToshiroOzuwara · 2015-05-29T03:56:02+00:00

how are men more honorable?

Who claimed they were?

tallwheel · 2015-05-29T07:43:32+00:00

he should've worn a condom. Consequences and such.

I don't know. Let's try reversing the sexes. If a man pokes holes in his condom to intentionally get a woman pregnant, would we say, "She should've been on birth control. Consequences and such."?

adrixshadow · 2015-05-29T07:44:02+00:00

Honor hasn't been relevant for the past century.

Honor implies that there are some principles you uphold.

In our shallow and confused society they do not hold.

YES_BOIIS · 2015-05-29T08:35:41+00:00

No reason to be honorable. Women and society take a piss on honor.

APlaceInsideMyHead · 2015-05-29T10:16:45+00:00

In my experience, TRP tends to be split into two camps, those who believe in honor and try to hold themselves to some virtuous standard, and those (like me) who don't expect anyone else to treat them honorably and so opt for a more Machiavellian approach.

drok007 · 2015-05-28T22:14:23+00:00

True, he should probably honor kill her. That is how you retain honor in this situation.

HappilySingleWoman · 2015-05-28T22:13:45+00:00

If she really did it on purpose and tried to trick him , she's a horrible person. Who the hell does that ? As far as I know there's a small chance you get pregnant even if you take the pill though , so maybe it was an accident, I just can't believe someone would do something like this!

Look on the bright side. She may miscarry. You need to lie your ass off. Tell her you've figured out a way for her to come with you, really make her think you want that, but that she has to get an abortion. Once she does, just disappear. They are all crazy. Last girlfriend I fucked for 2 years every time with a condom FOREVER, PERIOD. No matter what. You should run. RUN. Make her chase you for child support, make her prove it. Disappear. Fuck this noise. Learn 'em a lesson. False-pretense pregnancy shall be met with extreme emotional torture to the one who did it - not the intended victim (you)

Well , they're morons but if she really did intentionally trick the guy , she's probably even worse than them.

RedPillPopper69 · 2015-05-28T23:50:24+00:00

TRP looks down on and openly mocks "men of honor"

LadySerpentine · 2015-05-29T00:31:27+00:00

They aren't. And no TRP man has any honor anyway, they preach lying, cheating, sneaking, manipulation, abuse, rape, and even sometimes allude to murder all to get their dicks wet and avoid any and all responsibility for their own actions. "Honor" my ass. Honor requires emotional maturity, logic and rationality. It also involves not being the center of your own tiny twisted universe.

Are there some people who are honorable? Hell yes. But TRP proves that men are in fact not more honorable then, well... anyone.

How can one be amoral and honorable at the same time?

truthuncensored · 2015-05-29T02:54:12+00:00

Honor is a male construct.

Men trade on their word / name. A man without honor will find himself on the outside looking in at his fellow men. He will not be accepted. If a man flakes, pulls some whiny victim bullshit, acts weak, doesn't keep his word to another man, etc he will be outcast. Other men won't want to hang or break bread with him.

Women don't operate under the same ruleset. A woman's word is nothing. Woman will cheat at the drop of a hat if she thinks she can get away with it. And she will get away with it; she will be forgiven by the next man that wants to hit that. A woman can divorce-rape her hubby.. and she will be forgiven by the next man. A woman can be an outright gold-digger. And she will always be able to find a man to listen to her troubles and help her out. What is the value of a woman's word?

Women take men from other women. Women desire men that other women have. There's no honor there. Women will throw their fellow women under the bus for a man she's trying to catch. Women know this about each other and that's why they're so suspicious of other women.

So no, women have no need for honor. It's an abstract idea that has no real place among women. Women are not outcast for not keeping their word. Women get a pass. A woman will always be able to find a man that will say, "You're right babe, that ex/friend/family member of yours was fucked up. It's not your fault."

Nazrath2112 · 2015-05-29T21:55:17+00:00

There is still honor among thieves, its just not honor you believe in. So yes all TRP men have honor, its just not want you are going to expect.

nemma88 · 2015-05-29T09:02:56+00:00

He watched her take it almost every day.

So he knew and had unprotected sex with her anyway? He's in management & can skip out for months for musical performances? Even though he's JUST got promoted might move away because reasons? Good girl suddenly becomes a alcoholic while pregnant? There's BS somewhere in this post, or this guys crazy. This is why RP should help with men who want relationships with a C&FM to be good captains, because if your a crap captain your ship sinks.

Problematiqu · 2015-05-29T15:32:27+00:00

He also said she's started drinking while pregnant. This whole scenario is a big fucking shit show.

MethodiusIV · 2015-05-30T03:17:21+00:00

Unless one believes that abortions are unethical - a view I agree with, but many don't - I don't see how anyone could come to the conclusion that he's doing something abhorrent. Since when has letting someone run a con game on you been seen as something honorable?

VerticalSmileyCyrus · 2015-05-29T01:21:53+00:00

Forcing someone to become a parent against is will is also abhorrent. The "honorable" thing would be for her to abort unless they both agree to become parents.

Title	TRP Men and Honor
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Date	May 28, 2015 10:01 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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