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Getting laid isnt all that hard.

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This is the most definitive explanation of the great divide between those who understand the red pill, and those who consider it junk. I saw a quote from somebody here that really summed it up. When asked what blue pillers believe instead of the red pill, the top comment started with:

"Getting laid isn't all that hard."

They follow up with basic red pill advice "Present yourself well, approach women and flirt heavily, sooner or later someone will want to fuck you even if its in spite of yourself."

This piece of information completely and utterly denies a real experience that men have. It's such a problem that there's a

Until the blue pillers understand that difficulty in this arena isn't just happening, but is very common for men, there will be no understanding.

Are blue pillers really denying this reality that is so very vivid and real for men?


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Title Getting laid isnt all that hard.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 23
Comments 188
Date 20 December 2013 02:33 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit PurplePillDebate
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/286458
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1tbqo7/getting_laid_isnt_all_that_hard/
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[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (98 children) | Copy

I fully believe that there are parts of our dating culture that aren't fair to men. Yes, it sucks that they're expected to approach women. You know what? That sucks for women too, and we should be teaching people that anyone can approach anyone, tradition be damned. There's more to getting guys than just:

  1. Have a vagina.

There's a whole lot more that goes into getting a guy's attention than just sitting and being reasonably attractive, which TRP seems to think is all it takes for women to get laid. Y'all call women the selective gender, but men do their own selection all the time--they select who does and does not get approached. Now you just have to get yourselves selected back, which is where a lot of guys struggle. A lot of girls struggle with getting themselves approached to begin with.

But I digress. Even if dating is more difficult to men, that's not why I think TRP is junk. I think it's junk because it's massively cynical and most of its users come off as bitter and angry towards women. Are they really? Maybe not, but if all I have to judge them off is their words online, then that's the assumption I have to make when I read about how women are just overgrown teenagers (you keep telling us that we're misreading that particular post and that it shouldn't be taken at face value, but I'd love to hear your explanation on what it actually means), or about making your girlfriend/wife behave a certain why by subtly making it known that you could leave her whenever you want, or about how fucked up women who enjoy casual sex are--on a forum about obtaining more casual sex. I won't even start on how heavily a bunch of people who don't study evopsych lean on it when justifying their self-serving double standards.

The only parts of Red Pill philosophy that I don't think are junk are the parts that directly pertain to becoming more dateable or a better person: take women off the pedestal (but don't treat them as inferior), dress well, get in shape, learn to assert yourself (without being a douche), become interesting, and dedicate yourself to the things that matter to you.

EDIT: I have to add a caveat to that last sentence. Dark Triad does pertain to becoming more dateable, and I think that's the junkiest of all junk. Emulating people with harmful mental disorders is not a tool to get laid. Assertiveness, good self-regard, and the ability to detach from situations when necessary is not the same as being Machiavellian, narcissistic, or a psychopath/sociopath.

[–]Autodidacts17 points18 points  (47 children) | Copy

The only parts of Red Pill philosophy that I don't think are junk are the parts that directly pertain to becoming more dateable or a better person: take women off the pedestal (but don't treat them as inferior), dress well, get in shape, learn to assert yourself (without being a douche), become interesting, and dedicate yourself to the things that matter to you.

That's because anyone, Red, Blue, Purple or any affiliation with a lick of sense would tell you those things. If you asked anyone for advice on dating, or how to raise their confidence, I'd almost guarantee that improving your physical appearance through better dressing or working out would take precedence.

The 'not putting women on a pedestal' thing really fucks me off as well. Putting anyone on a pedestal, whether be your girlfriend, your friends, your family etc is almost universally a terrible idea. The converse is also awful advice as well. There isn't a strict dichotomy between treating women as perfect and ethereal beings made of moonbeams and starlight, and treating women as the "oldest teenager in the house" with inherently lower intelligence and emotional maturity, that also deserve or secretly crave dominance by some aloof narcissistic shithead. Women are just people; eating, drinking, breathing, shitting human beings, same as men are.

Taking banal, common sense truisms and flaunting them as TRP 'truths' (I know you're repeating the OP, this isn't your view, I'm just venting a bit) is incredibly disingenuous.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (46 children) | Copy

The pedestal thing really drives me nuts too. I hear a lot of people saying it's just a phase as they learn to stop treating women as infallible goddesses, but when I personally take something off a shelf that I think is too high, I set it down carefully at eye level. I don't throw it on the ground and stomp on it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (45 children) | Copy

Easier said than done.

[–]AbracadanielleBlue Pill Woman8 points9 points  (44 children) | Copy

Why? Why is hard not to put women down just because they're no longer on a pedestal?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (43 children) | Copy

No, the act of putting them down enables the de-pedestalization process, and maintains it. The natural tendency of men is to want to protect women and eventually fall in love with one, hence many men must constantly mumble to themselves, "women are evil, women are evil..." to maintain their frame, lest they fall back into betaness. Sometimes you literally have to tear down a structure before you can build something else in it's place. I wouldn't expect this process to be smooth.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (38 children) | Copy

Is there no middle ground between pedestals and "women are evil, women are evil?" Because if that's how you're coping in order to deal with women, then you aren't addressing the real problem, you're just masking it with a new one.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (37 children) | Copy

Of course there is a middle ground, if you can reach the acceptance stage.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (36 children) | Copy

If the only way you can take women off a pedestal is to constantly tell yourself that they are evil and awful and hypergamous and less intelligent/logical than yourself, then you haven't fixed the problem. You haven't addressed your actual issue, you've just created a new one.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Once taken off the pedestal other options present themselves. Only a true beta play-acting at being alpha needs to continue to harbor anger and resentment towards women to maintain a frame. But lets face it, there are a lot of betas out there, even many in the RP sub. RP men or alphas accept things the way they are and harbor no ill will. I can confidently say I harbor no such negative feelings.

[–]ChaoticParadox2 points3 points  (34 children) | Copy

Stay with me till the end here. Actually, we are addressing the real issue by labeling you evil. We've been conditioned since birth to regard you, and everything you do, as angelic and flawless. The only way to begin to see you as equals is to take extreme measures in our thinking in order to reverse the conditioning. Basically, being angry with you is the first step to accepting you as you are. We have to let those emotions and false perceptions out in order to vent and move past them. You understand that bottling up your emotions doesn't solve anything I'm sure.

Once we understand your true nature, and there has been time to internalize and accept it, that's when we begin to feel happy and free to do as we please. It's not about seeing you as evil after a certain point. Eventually, a red pill swallower will make changes in their thinking that negates the good and evil lines of reasoning. This leads to understanding and contentedness. There's no longer any pressure to live up to anyone else's expectations, and that's one hell of a relief.

The red pill man doesn't go around hating on women. He just treats them like people who are capable of making mistakes, and is not afraid to contradict them when they do such.

[–]AbracadanielleBlue Pill Woman5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

That just sounds so overdramatic to me. Plus, you can still feel protectiveness for someone and fall in love with someone without either putting them on a pedestal or deriding and dehumanizing them. That's the goal, actually, in my opinion. A life partner is someone who is going to see you at your worst, at your laziest, at your most vulnerable at some point or another, and if you can't be honest and yourself with them, what's the point? If you have to maintain some kind of frame and alterego to feel you're getting the relationship you want, it strikes me as exhausting and sad. And dishonest. Because that partner isn't seeing the real you.

Anyways, I don't really agree that the only way to de-pedastalize a woman or all women is to go to the opposite extreme. Are you saying that ideally, they'll level off into the middle and can look at women as fellow humans who are neither ethereal nor evil by nature? Because it sounds more healthy just to shoot for to begin with. I don't really think "well he needs to take women off the pedestal" excuses shitty behavior towards women, like it's necessary. It's really not.

[–]alphabetmodamused modstery1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Really Off topic, sorry. But, for such a small fringe sub I think it's pretty weird/funny that /u/Abracadanielle and /u/Abra-k-daniel are both posting here and you are a blue pill woman while he is a red pill man lol. Hmmm /r/conspiratard anyone? ha

[–]AbracadanielleBlue Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I also noticed that! We should start a sitcom.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree that is the goal, but TRP men are largely not interested in LTRs/love/marriage. They are essentially on strike because they don't feel the benefits outweigh the costs or risks. I am not one of those, I actually do want to get married someday, so I'm a bit of an outlier, but I understand where they're coming from. They just want to maintain a frame to spin plates, that is a conscious decision on their part, and they are utilizing mental strategies to make that work as efficiently and satisfactorily as possible.

I would never suggest it's the only way de-pedastalization can happen, but anger is the second step in the grieving process for many people. It's denial/isolation, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Plate spinners don't need to complete the series though. Harboring some degree of anger may actually help them ignore the suffering they cause when they drop a plate.

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (31 children) | Copy

Does 'junk' in this sentence mean 'morally reprehensible' or 'objectively wrong', as in 'incapable of giving effective advice' (regardless of the morality of said advice)?

In this particular sentence, I mean simply not worth reading. They can give advice, and it might work, but if taking that advice means becoming increasingly cynical, angry, and bitter, then you should probably find some less awful advice. A self-help book that makes the world look even more miserable and requires you to approach all your interactions with other people as transactions is a pretty shitty self-help book. In my last sentence about the Dark Triad, however, I mean morally reprehensible, objectively wrong, and not worth reading. Most diagnosed psychopaths and sociopaths are at least in therapy, if not heavily medicated.

It means that women in a relationship will constantly be testing the boundaries and standards imposed by their men, just like teenagers try to push against the authority of their parents to see if there's any yield.

Isn't this, like, the definition of calibrating your frame? Seeing just how much of an asshole you can act like without turning women off?

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (21 children) | Copy

You don't think it's possible to experience reality in a way that is both honest and pleasant not miserable? If people really do become happier after "taking the Pill," then I guess that's great for them (though I stand by everything I've said about how they address women and their social interactions), and I guess I'm seeing some selection bias since a lot of the posts and comments on TRP come from recent swallows.

And I got that it was your explanation of what overgrown teenagers means. I'm saying that if women do it, then so do men. TRP just gives them a nicer, more productive sounding term. They encourage it in men (If she thought you were an asshole, you just didn't calibrate properly!), but hate it in women (DAE women are mentally and emotionally teenagers?).

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (17 children) | Copy

You didn't say that "Teenagers" is about leadership roles. You said that the teenager thing is about women's tendency to push boundaries in a relationship and see what they can get away with. I'm saying that men do it too, only you all call it calibrating your frame. You push your boundaries as far as they can go to see what a woman will put up with.

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (15 children) | Copy

Can it not be both? I object to my gender being compared to children who stop maturing when they finish high school and also the hypocrisy of calling childish when women push boundaries when concepts like "calibrating your frame" and "pushing through LMR" are both encouraged.

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's beside the point though: regardless of whether this is possible or not, there might be people who would always pick reality over happiness if the two conflict; so, as a consequences, there might be people interested in a certain worldview regardless of its potential to make them happy.

It took me a while to nail down exactly what bugged me about this statement, which is why I didn't address it earlier. I think I've figured it out, though. There is true and there is false, and the stuff that is true isn't always pleasant, but you have control over what you put your focus on. I am aware that rape happens and I am aware that abuse can occur within relationships. I do not let that be the driving force in how I approach my own relationships, though. TRP tells men that divorce statistics and alimony laws should be the things they focus on. "You think you've found a good, loyal woman and you love her? You think that NAWALT? Don't be naive--it could happen to you!"

Yes, bad things happen in this world. But if those are what you allow to shape your relationships and your attitude, then you'll be miserable.

[–]twentyfoursevensex5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're assuming it is reality or the "truth".

[–]Svarthofthi4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

The problem here is that TRP dictates that what they say is truth. Its not subjective truth, its absolute, at least in the way that "taking the pill" comes into play.

Referring to women as over-grown teenagers is saying they're not worthy of notice. That their "tests" are just instances in which they need to be brought back in line. In what world is this a functioning relationship where you view your partner as someone who needs to be put in their place?

Its that kind of philosophy that is what people have a problem with. Moreover, anytime someone tries to contradict this we're either beta or decided not to take the "pill" and remain in the illusion. That sort of talk is again another brush off that requires no thought. TRP doesn't give credence to anything other than those prescribed values and actively removes conversation pertaining to different points of view. Which the OP has brought up.

When you cite stereotypes you don't do anything other than propagate more misunderstanding and widen the gap in the understanding between genders. Men are pigs, women are children. The concept of value and raising your's, while sterile, is a valid concept but the rationale is cluttered with thinly veiled disgust and belittlement. I don't want to drape this over all of TRP, but Holy Christ how many posts are there about securing some sort of victory over women and rants about how terrible they are.

It is not impossible to be a purist red piller without all the trouble but that philosophy certainly does make it a lot more difficult when your peers are all angry and your moderators censor dialogue. This is also true of TBP, they are guilty of the very same thing.

When this behavior is condoned by the moderators, along with censorship, it becomes very hard, indeed, to trust anything coming from those subreddits.

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[–]Svarthofthi3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is an unsupported statement, by itself. TRP thinks that certain stereotypes are actually valid and it is refusing those stereotypes on ideological grounds that makes things worse for everyone.

Yes, so the idea being that refusing on ideological grounds gives you rationale for using negative stereotypes to reinforce the philosophy.

Again, TRP is not a debate forum if not for internal discussion (and, internally, there are pretty fierce disagreements).

Then you may as well call it a circle-jerk in that regard. What use is there in a philosophy that closes its ears, especially when there are posts asking for debate, which ended up censored.

This is the oft-repeated point about the general bitterness and negativity of many TRP posts. It's been discussed to the death and I frankly doubt much more can be said about it.

I disagree. I think it's more difficult to have a mature, balanced and truthful view of things when your community does not include also extremists and really bitter people. I want to see all facets of reality, and it includes people who are into domestic discipline as well as ultra-bitter guys.

I don't disagree with you here, and that was not my point. It is the philosophy itself that is the problem. It employs negative stereotypes as true. People employ these principles. Women shit test and need to be put in their place. The head of a relationship belongs to the male. All this and more. It's a doctrine that goes against the flow of how things are developing and causes problems EVERY DAY. I work in an ER and every fucking Friday inevitably some "alpha" male stops by for stitches. Maybe you might say that they're perverting the philosophy, but the fact that the introduction to TRP mentioned that game got a bad rep because women don't like being manipulated. Who likes being manipulated? Point being that men had to evolve the game in order to disguise the manipulation that women had vilified.

Even outside of RP relationships, there are instances in which a partner needs to be put in their place.

Instances do not require an entire doctrine of keeping your partner in their place. It is perspective, you willing entered a negative frame of mind where your partner is your adversary. This is counter-productive to a healthy relationship. Any therapist in the world would tell you that.

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[–]Svarthofthi4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

No, where did you get that? the philosophy includes the view that certain stereotypes (or part of them) are true.

Yes, the philosophy includes stereotypes that you claim are true. This is what I am suggesting. We agree. Where we disagree is that I believe that utilizing these stereotypes is counter-productive.

Have you considered that the guy might be okay with that lifestyle choice?

Yes, have you considered that he could be construed as a menace? He came into our ER under arrest. If you choose your lifestyle, thats your choice. If you are implying that morals are relative, I agree with that. However, there is a price for everything. That involves jail time in his case.

Sure, it was a counter example of how these things can happen in a healthy (and non-RP) relationship.

I don't see your point. I was stating that it is an employed negative mentality that is counter-productive. Whereas a non-rp relationship keeping your partner in their place is not an acknowledged strategy. Most I've seen strive for egalitarianism.

What's the success rate for couple's counseling 5 years down the line?

What is your point here?

[–]AbracadanielleBlue Pill Woman16 points17 points  (9 children) | Copy

It is very likely all it takes for a woman to get laid with somebody.

I'm going to latch onto this, because I see it come up again and again on the internet.

Yes, arguably any woman can get laid if she has no standards at all. But you know what? So can men. And if men were to stop and think about the kind of bottom-of-the-barrel partners they could technically probably hook up with no problem, they might understand why women aren't as keen to use their Powers of Getting Laid as men would think them to be. Because when people say that women could find someone willing to fuck them, they say it like it's a good thing, and that's ridiculous. So it shouldn't matter what kind of guy takes her up on it, because hey, still sex? The kind of person willing to have random sex with a stranger (with some exceptions, I'm sure) is probably not a great decision maker, nor is guaranteed to be remotely attractive or good as sex. I've seen people claim that women could just announce to a room they want to have sex and someone would take them up on it. Having worked several years in a bar and seen drunk/desperate/horny women attempt just that and fail, I'm gonna have to call shenanigans. Plus, again, this seems to assume that the only women who count are young and attractive, as the world is full of unattractive women who struggle to get laid just as much as men.

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I know this wasnt your point but something I want to point out in this video.

Does this guy get any explicit yes'? No. But check out how many women respond surprisingly positively in their body language, how many stick around to hear his pitch. Or at least give just a polite firm no. I only saw a couple reactions of honest disgust. It only takes like 7 girls before he meets one whos like "uhh maybe??"

How many do you think he might have gotten with if he'd just dialed it back a little bit?

[–]tremenfing-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

this experiment has been replicated probably hundreds of times. I'm never seen one where even one woman has said yes.

http://www.elainehatfield.com/79.pdf

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Thats not my point.

[–]tremenfing0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

It shows the hypotheticals you suggested are unlikely. If it's been replicated many times, it's not likely that it was reliably always just a little bit off every time. If it were usually slightly off, chances are it would still happen off. It were "slightly" off every time, then it's not chance.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

What hypothetical do you think I'm making?

I'm not suggesting that "hey want to have sex" is a good opening line. Or that its pure statistical error he failed.

I'm saying that given the surprising amount of women who were prepared to take the time out of their day to flirt with a guy based on little other than "hey want to have sex" its highly likely he would have gotten with at least some of them based on something more normal. Hell girl 7 probably would have if he hadn't pushed her with "I mean right now".

Have you ever read "what do women want" by Daniel Bergner? It discusses this exact study and suggests that all it demonstrates is that most women don't like being propositioned right on the street. It tells you little about how open they might be to casual sex generally because doesent account for things like, physical safety, possibility of social judgement.

[–]tremenfing-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not suggesting that "hey want to have sex" is a good opening line.

It is, for women.

Or that its pure statistical error he failed.

I'm saying it's unlikely that he was just always a little off and still be 0/100. If he were just a little off it's likely that some woman would care a little less and it would work and since that never happened it's unlikely that he was just a little off.

Have you ever read "what do women want" by Daniel Bergner? It discusses this exact study and suggests that all it demonstrates is that most women don't like being propositioned right on the street. It tells you little about how open they might be to casual sex generally because doesent account for things like, physical safety, possibility of social judgement.

I found that passage - the book discusses a replication of that study, wherein men and women were asked to imagine being propositioned in the same way as the 1989 study, but by an attractive celebrity. Johnny Depp. No joke. And this is treated as some kind of refutation of the 1989 study.

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

we should be teaching people that anyone can approach anyone

This is classic blue pill!

It's patriarchy, right? Women are told not to talk to men.

Poppycock! Not a single woman in any western nation is under the delusion that she's not allowed to talk to men! This is a blue pill lie!

Here's the red pill truth: most women are not attracted to men who are not assertive. Most women (whether they're conscious of it or not) are not attracted to the man that wont step up to the plate.

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Poppycock! Not a single woman in any western nation is under the delusion that she's not allowed to talk to men! This is a blue pill lie!

No, they are literally taught that. I was! My very traditional Southern mama taught me not to approach men because it wasn't ladylike. She got onto me for hinting to my senior prom date that I would indeed say yes if he asked because I was "making it too easy on him." I've since made progress in moving away from that sort of thought (giving my now-boyfriend my number without being asked, asking him to hang out, being the one to suggest we have sex for the first time), but I was honest-to-goodness taught that it was a man's place to do the approaching.

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I know that at least some women get this advice. A friend of mine was taught growing up that "men enjoy the chase." She's from New York, so it's not a southern thing.

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Women are often told not to talk to men. Let him come to you, men enjoy the chase, don't make it too easy for him. I've been told more than once that chasing a man would make me look easy, or desperate, or unfeminine.

Women are allowed to talk to men, if it was the man who started the conversation. You're either naive or in denial if you think this is made up and not a real reason that plenty of women are given.

[–]alphabetmodamused modstery0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe not, but if all I have to judge them off is their words online, then that's the assumption I have to make when I read about how women are just overgrown teenagers (you keep telling us that we're misreading that particular post and that it shouldn't be taken at face value, but I'd love to hear your explanation on what it actually means)

A RPW has a take on it that is more agreeable to me (might not be to you all and that's fine) and I'm sure you've seen it linked on TBP before. It's called "Ponderings on Maturity." and it's one of the top posts of all time there if you want to read it.

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I'll have to read it! I was only addressing TRP with this comment, since on RPW I see a lot less "DAE women are hypergamous sluts" and a lot more "I want to make my SO happy, any suggestions?"

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Eat chicken/fish, quinoa, broccoli with other mixed veggies and fruits as primary meals. THAT'S it no take out, no eating out.

Go to the gym 3 times a week doing HIIT (high intensity interval training).

Give yourself 6 months of this and boom your now a tight bodied chick.

So hard....

now you just have to learn how to dress yourself and how to put on makeup and blamo you walk out the door and you'll have cock lined up.

As a guy getting dates is fucking easymode to getting laid, but it costs yah money.

Getting the pickup, the free sex. That's were you unlock your new xbox one achievements.

[–]myfriendscantknowAgent Orangered (BP Man)9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy

Anxiety is, I think, the most massive hurdle to jump pertaining to having a robust casual sex life. It is without a doubt the thing I had to defeat to become a sexual person myself, much more than anything else. I think that TRP offers a way to circumvent anxiety instead of actually defeating it. By convincing yourself that you understand human nature and are doing the right things, whether or not those things are actually true, will allow you to sidestep anxiety by having a detailed plan. The specific plan doesn't really matter, anxiety is circumvented just by having one. I think this is why TRPers defend their wordview so vehemently, because if they concede it might be wrong, than the whole placebo falls apart.

The truth is that despite what TRPers say, women have the exact same problems. If you deny that social anxiety is a problem for women, you don't know women very well. Perhaps some kind of similar "game" placebo would help women out as well, but I hope it doesn't happen. The baggage that the TRP method comes with is far too heavy, and in the end, you never truly defeated your anxiety in a healthy way.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Anxiety is not the core problem. Imagine a chick and a dude both over come their anxiety and each approach 100 people at a bar for sex. How many yeses does she get? How many slaps does he get?

[–]myfriendscantknowAgent Orangered (BP Man)4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I have never in my life been slapped for approaching a woman. Unless you are being seriously pushy or tactless, I doubt it's likely to happen.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

If your approach was "will you have sex with me?" You're going to get slapped. A woman wouldn't.

[–]myfriendscantknowAgent Orangered (BP Man)0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Honestly, I think that's becoming less and less acceptable in society. Casual violence towards men, even if they are being tactless, is starting to become really frowned upon. At any rate, I really think that depends on how physically attractive you are. I admit, women at large would probably be a bit more successful with this tactic, but how seriously lazy is that? Besides, she's not likely to get an especially good looking guy unless she's reasonably good looking herself, which can be the only criteria in this situation, which is the same deal for men except women have a slight advantage probably.

None of that really matters as more than a thought experiment though, because nobody would do that unless they wanted to prove something. When I approach a woman at a bar for sex, I tend to open with "hello".

[–]AbracadanielleBlue Pill Woman4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would like to chime in with anecdotal contribution: I worked in a high volume bar in a college town for several years, and I never once saw a woman slap or hit a male patron and get away with it. In fact, the two times I did see a woman slap a man, they (the two different women on two different nights) were promptly thrown out by security. People in the bar industry don't want anyone getting violent in their establishment, regardless of gender stereotypes.

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Because you're a woman... holy.. just, wow I can't even.

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[–]alphabetmodamused modstery0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It'd probably be safe to assume that you're attractive, which is awesome for you! lol. But someone will respond to you that attractiveness is all that matters whether you're a male or a female and that's just not true.

I'm not trying to argue with you here just to clarify, I'm just using your comment as a jumping off point. While it is no doubt easier for attractive men and women to get laid than unattractive men and women, what some people fail to understand is that an equally attractive man is still going to have a much harder time for a multitude of reasons than an equally attractive woman.

P.s. I don't think you have your head up your ass lol :)

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hopefully this generates some good discussion. Since I'm the one being quoted in the OP I want to clarify something though.

I didn't say "its very easy to get sex" or "it is equally easy for a man and woman to get sex" or similar. I said its "not that hard for a man to get sex" as in- I don't think its as hard as TRP makes out.

My main point of contention is this: I think much of TRP has a vested emotional interest in making it sound more difficult than it is.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (11 children) | Copy

Are blue pillers really denying this reality that is so very vivid and real for men?

No. Many men don't get as much sex as they want. Some women don't get as much sex as they want either. I don't have as many kittens as I want.

As the Rolling Stones would say: You can't always get what you want.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

You say sit down and put up with it. I say fuck that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

You can try all you want, but life's going to throw you punches. If you can't accept that you don't get everything you want, you're going to be miserable forever.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Who says I'm miserable? I'm just not one for settling because things are "good enough". That is such a pathetic and weak world view, giving up is what would actually make me miserable.

That's not just sex, it goes for every aspect of life.

You're confusing "I wish for something" and "I want something." What's stopping you getting more kittens?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I didn't say you're miserable, I said that if you can't accept that failure and disappointment is a fact of life, you will be miserable. Constantly.

giving up is what would actually make me miserable

Accepting that you won't get your way 100% of the time isn't giving up, it's being realistic. Keep striving, by all means, but don't act like disappointment is some huge burden that no one else experiences(as OP made it seem). It's just life and we all deal with it.

What's stopping you getting more kittens?

I can't afford to care for a kitten. I'm not allowed kittens at my apartment. I don't know where I'll be living in a few months and if I'll be able to bring my potential kitten. Adopting a kitten today would be both stupid and cruel.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Get a better job, move into a bigger house. Then you can have kittens. (Obviously ridiculous but if you wanted kittens as bad as some men want sex you would do it)

Again its not unreasonable to strive for whatever you want. Just acknowledge the effort required.

Imagine wanting to kill yourself for a kitten. "If I don't get a kitten in 3 months im going to commit suicide".

Yes he's delusional, but just be aware of the importance of sex in a mans life.

If you are interested in a first hand account of said pain I recommend:

http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Get a better job, move into a bigger house. Then you can have kittens.

Even if I did, in the short term kittens are impractical. Probably a better, less ridiculous example is wanting a baby. I really want a baby, the way some men want sex. I feel like it's what will make everything better. So I am taking steps(securing myself financially, working on myself emotionally, locking down a good partner, etc.) to get that, but I have accepted that right now, I can't have a baby, it's impractical. I'm going to keep working to get to the point where I can, but in the interim I'm not going to keep thinking about how I don't have what I want and how unfair it is.

Again its not unreasonable to strive for whatever you want.

Certainly not. But it's also not unreasonable to understand that sometimes you will fail. Edit: Also, some things are impossible. Your dead father isn't coming to give you words of wisdom from the beyond, those kinds of things you should probably just accept and stop trying.

Imagine wanting to kill yourself for a kitten. "If I don't get a kitten in 3 months im going to commit suicide".

This is the problem with not accepting that sometimes(often, even) you don't get what you want: you become miserable and want to kill yourself over it. I've been there. It's easier to accept that life will fuck you over sometimes and move on. Keep trying for what you want but don't agonize over your present lack of it.

Yes he's delusional, but just be aware of the importance of sex in a mans life.

It's not really about how important it is, because people are often denied important things and it's sad and it sucks but it is what it is. I was a bit flip with the kitten situation, but I have more deeply important things that I want, some of which are probably impossible for me to have, ever. If I just kept moping over the fact that I didn't have it and why don't I have it when I'm trying so hard, I would probably actually kill myself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We're essentially agreeing on the same thing.

Strive for what you want but don't bitch and moan if you don't/can't get it.

[–]roe_Purple Pill Man2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is true, but additional information is needed:

Men have 10x the amount of testosterone, making them want sex with an intensity which women can only understand in the abstract.

I don't know how much you want kittens, but I bet men want sex more.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you underestimate my desire for a kitten!

On the flip side there's babies. It's even harder to get a baby than it is to get laid, especially if you want to raise your child in a good environment. And women tend to want babies more intensely than men. So we're all struggling.

[–]myfriendscantknowAgent Orangered (BP Man)0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There's threads in /r/sex, /r/AskMen, /r/AskWomen, and /r/relationships ALL THE TIME posted by women asking for help because their sex drive is so much higher than their male partner's and they're unsatisfied. I've known many woman with a powerful sex dive in my life personally too, I'm gonna say this is bullshit.

[–]roe_Purple Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men can suffer from low-t, but it's not a general thing.

[–]polyhooly9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

I completely understand, and really do sympathize with men who have trouble with women. I do think, in general, that it is harder for men in the dating scene than it is for women, that men often face more pressure to initiate and continue interactions. That can be scary as hell, especially if you are already suffering from low self esteem.

Look, I'm all for everyone getting laid and having someone special to snuggle up with and do whatever it is you do. But The Red Pill is largely snake oil, plain and simple. As I have written many times in the past, TRP can be great if you are looking for quick lays or FWB in the party scene. If that is what you want, have at it. But I have a hard time believing that is what the average RPer truly desires. If you are looking for a connection with someone, so much of RP advice is toxic. It will bring nothing but drama to a relationship.

You see, TRP is one side of the same coin when it comes to trouble with women. On one side you have the "beta" males, the meek, slovenly men who let others walk all over them and are never forward with what they want. TRP takes some good points about how to get out of this rut, but takes a lot to absurd extremes. This is where people have issues with TRP. It is a movement born out of, and driven by some pretty heavy emotions like anger, sadness, and fear. There is little that is rational about it, yet very few RPers have the self awareness to realize how deluded so much of it is.

Now I have a question for you: You seem upset by others dismissing your experiences as a man, yet you subscribe to an ideology that has a core tenant of dismissing female experiences and opinions. What makes you think your perspective is any more valid and righteous than women's? That sounds a lot to me like solipsism, and being able to dish it out, but not take it.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

dismissing female experiences and opinions

We dismiss female opinions on how men should approach women because we see that women don't actually respond to their own advice. But beyond that we don't dismiss female experiences- in fact, we acknowledge that the only way to succeed is to cater to it.

What makes you think your perspective is any more valid and righteous than women's?

I've never suggested anything about righteousness, and I don't even know what you mean by perspective validity.

[–]polyhooly5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

We dismiss female opinions on how men should approach women because we see that women don't actually respond to their own advice.

TRP has advocated not taking women seriously over anything they say, including LTR, rape, experiencing gender-based discrimination, and so on. It goes far beyond just advice about approaching women. Again, a core tenant of TRP is dismissing women and their opinions and experiences, which includes the dynamics of courtship.

I've never suggested anything about righteousness, and I don't even know what you mean by perspective validity.....

Yet you just wrote this:

we see that women don't actually respond to their own advice.

You believe TRP is truth, and that you know what women want better than they do.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

TRP has advocated not taking women seriously over anything they say, including LTR, rape, experiencing gender-based discrimination, and so on. It goes far beyond just advice about approaching women. Again, a core tenant of TRP is dismissing women and their opinions and experiences, which includes the dynamics of courtship.

In the context of trying to gain their attraction. If your boss at work is a woman, I don't think anybody is suggesting to ignore them.

You believe TRP is truth, and that you know what women want better than they do.

I am capable of observing how women act, and I believe that to be the truth. When a woman says I want X but then only goes after Y, you realize to watch what she does, not what she says.

Don't like that? Seems like if you want to blame somebody for that, there's a group of people you can yell at. It's not us.

[–]polyhooly6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

If your boss at work is a woman, I don't think anybody is suggesting to ignore them.

Of course not, because you'd lose your job. I do, however, strongly believe that men who subscribe to Red Pill ideology will have different feelings toward that female boss than they would a male boss.

I am capable of observing how women act, and I believe that to be the truth.

I too, am capable of observing how women, and men act, and believe that my observations hold water (but I am also open to the fact that others may see things differently than me, and that does not necessarily make them wrong). What makes your anecdotes trump mine? What makes your experiences more valid, more righteous than mine, or more broadly, anyone who disagrees with you? I think you have a hard time understanding that you and your echo chamber are not the center of the universe.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I do, however, strongly believe that men who subscribe to Red Pill ideology will have different feelings toward that female boss than they would a male boss.

Seems to me like you're projecting. Just because you want to believe we're all just bad people doesn't make it so.

What makes your anecdotes trump mine?

Nothing, go live your life how ever you want.

What makes your experiences more valid,

I obviously think my strategy is more effective, at least for those who have trouble. But hey, if wearing a hat made of tuna fish gets you laid, I'm not going to stop you.

more righteous than mine

There's that projection again, I haven't claimed this, and this is the second time I've corrected you, please drop it.

, or more broadly, anyone who disagrees with you?

When somebody contradicts me and then tells me the neat little lies that caused the first half of my life to suck, I already know those strategies don't work.

I think you have a hard time understanding that you and your echo chamber are not the center of the universe.

No, I think you have a hard time understanding that we stumbled across a few good ideas that were so relevant and successful, 26,000 people joined in to try it and realize it works. We started with 1 person. If the ideas were terrible, an "echo chamber" would never have started.

[–]polyhooly3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seems to me like you're projecting.

What exactly do you believe I am projecting?

Just because you want to believe we're all just bad people doesn't make it so.

I don't believe you're all bad people at all (some of you, though...). Misguided? Yes. Angry? Certainly. Hurt? Most definitely.

When somebody contradicts me and then tells me the neat little lies that caused the first half of my life to suck, I already know those strategies don't work.

Maybe those strategies didn't work for you. Maybe there were some other variables in your life that put you in the position you were in. I don't know. But this is what I mean when I say that you believe your experiences, your ideologies, are more righteous than mine, or anyone else who contradicts you. You just wrote that anyone who contradicts you is lying. You believe that your perspective is the only real one. On top of that, you believe that you know women: their thoughts, desires, and motivations, better than women themselves. That's quite an assertion. I do believe you folks call this attitude "solipsism."

They fact is that your ideology is not some universal truth, and everyone who contradicts you is not telling lies. Your ideology, in fact, is subject to what are largely warped views born out of the very strong of emotions of feeling like you've been lied to and cheated.

No, I think you have a hard time understanding that we stumbled across a few good ideas that were so relevant and successful, 26,000 people joined in to try it and realize it works. We started with 1 person. If the ideas were terrible, an "echo chamber" would never have started.

Argumentum ad populum

[–]angatar_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe there were some other variables in your life that put you in the position you were in. I don't know.

It's important to note that he doesn't know, either.

Edit: damn, that was originally horribly worded.

[–]soulcakeduck4 points5 points  (48 children) | Copy

Obesity is a widespread problem that (for most people) is simply solved or avoided. It, too, has spawned lucrative industries with endless, speculative crazes.

Simple solutions are not always easily implemented, and there's a lot we can learn even about the simple. Sex is not alone there. Nor are men alone in struggling to get sex; some of the most successful/lucrative parts of the industry here are aimed at helping women.

If the newest diet craze encouraged maligning other groups of people, justifying their unequal (sometimes violent) treatment at the hands of both society and law, then the same crowd of "blue pillers" who condemn TRP would condemn that diet craze. Guaranteed.

"Diet and exercise" is 'simple if not always easy,' but no amount of difficulties would justify that abusive outcome. Besides, it is also a direct refutation that for so many, casual sex is easy and TRP's supposedly-probabilistic theories are unneeded and even counterproductive.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (38 children) | Copy

If the newest diet craze encouraged maligning other groups of people, justifying their unequal (sometimes violent) treatment at the hands of both society and law, then the same crowd of "blue pillers" who condemn TRP would condemn that diet craze. Guaranteed.

Given that TBP virgin shames TRP.

Does that mean that crowd of "blue pillers" would feel okay fat shaming people who are overweight?

I mean, since we are using analogies and all.

[–]soulcakeduck6 points7 points  (17 children) | Copy

I feel that neither virgin shaming nor fat shaming are okay.

A salesman insisting the diet they use works perfectly for all would undermine their credibility by being overweight though, the same that a salesman insisting their sexual strategy is great undermines credibility by being a virgin. That's not shameful, but it is evidence of error.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy

Given that you do not believe that virgin shaming or fat shaming is okay.

Why are you okay with members of TBP using such oppressive and bullying language to describe members of TRP.

Does TBP feel that bullying and usage of oppressive and violent language is okay as long as it undermine's someone's credibility?

[–]PurpleVNeckBlue Pill Woman4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Why are you okay with members of TBP using such oppressive and bullying language to describe members of TRP.

Some members of TRP describe bluepillers as fat lesbian cunts or whiteknight manginas who can't get laid. Shaming goes both ways.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes. Shaming does go both ways.

The difference is TRP openly supports shaming.

[–]PurpleVNeckBlue Pill Woman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

TRP complains and complains about supposed feminist shaming tactics (because apparently calling something immoral is a shaming tactic instead of a legitimate criticism) and now you're telling me TRP is in support of shaming? Isn't that a little hypocritical?

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely. TRP is openly hypocritical about this.

I'm saying TBP is just as hypocritical but denies hypocritical.

[–]soulcakeduck6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy

Why are you okay with members of TBP using such oppressive and bullying language to describe members of TRP.

In fact I am not. See also.

Here you are asking loaded questions where the loaded assumption (that I am OK with shaming) was already explicitly answered/rejected above. In our other exchange I also found reason to question your sincerity.

Again, I hope I've satisfied your curiosity as it is unlikely I'll answer further.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

I'm glad that you're calling out TBP for their hypocritical behaviour.

Thank you.

[–]mrsamsa5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

TBP can't be hypocritical because it has no beliefs. You've presented a great example there where some people are against RP because of how badly they treat people (including things like virgin shaming) and others are against RP because it's funny to make fun of them (which can include virgin shaming).

There can't be any hypocrisy because they're is no blue pill belief saying that it's wrong to treat people badly or to bully them.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man-3 points-2 points  (7 children) | Copy

So then you are saying:

Yes, TBP is okay with treating people badly and bullying.

[–]mrsamsa5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

I am saying that blue pill (as a supposed position or philosophy) is indifferent to it. In the same way that some people who hate stamp collecting may also be neo Nazis, even though being a neo Nazi isn't required or expected of people who hate stamp collecting.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man-4 points-3 points  (5 children) | Copy

The philosophy or position of blue pill however is not the same as TBP.

Let us take your analogy, and then apply it to TBP.

Given that blue pill is stamp collecting. (blue pill = stamp collecting)

And Neo-Nazism is bullying. (neo-nazism = bullying)

Then TBP would be a stamp collecting subreddit where Neo-Nazi behaviour and attitudes were encouraged and cultivated.

[–]polyhooly2 points3 points  (19 children) | Copy

Virgin shaming is not ok. I would never make fun of someone for that. But I will call out virgin men and men with little to no experience with women who believe women owe them something, who believe they have women figured out, including an expertise on the female experience and psyche, as well as that of sexual interactions, and relationships.

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

who believe women owe them something

That's my favorite straw man. You guys really believe it too. When a man (and only a man) talks about unrequired love, you hear "gosh, I wish she had gone out with me" as "she owed me a date"

Literally nobody believes they're owed anything. Women make the same comments about commitment all the time. “gosh, I wish that guy had married me.” TRP has taken to sarcastically saying, “NOBODY OWES YOU A RELATIONSHIP! MEN ARE NOT VENDING MACHINES THAT YOU PUT SEX INTO AND GET RELATIONSHIPS OUT OF” as a way of calling out the stupidity of your straw man.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's my favorite straw man. You guys really believe it too. When a man (and only a man) talks about unrequired love, you hear "gosh, I wish she had gone out with me" as "she owed me a date" Literally nobody believes they're owed anything. Women make the same comments about commitment all the time. “gosh, I wish that guy had married me.” TRP has taken to sarcastically saying, “NOBODY OWES YOU A RELATIONSHIP! MEN ARE NOT VENDING MACHINES THAT YOU PUT SEX INTO AND GET RELATIONSHIPS OUT OF” as a way of calling out the stupidity of your straw man.

I think people do though on some level.

Obviously theres a strong shaming component to it "no one owes anyone sex shitlord" But I think theres a degree of truth too.

Its something akin to the sunk cost fallacy: if you spend an inordinate amount of mental energy trying to get someone, paying for dates and so forth, some part of you does feels like they owe you back.

This is why people stay fixated on obviously failing one sided crushes and dying relationships, like being addicted to a slot machine- "I've put in all this effort, I've made my commitment, the payoff is due eventually!" that doesn't make you broken so much as it is a natural flaw in peoples psychology. And yes women do this too (hence "dread game", intermittent reward strategies and the like).

Hopefully if you can recognise it within yourself, you can stop yourself from doing it. Or at least not fly into a rage about it.

[–]polyhooly3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

When a man (and only a man) talks about unrequired love, you hear "gosh, I wish she had gone out with me" as "she owed me a date"

*Unrequited love. And you are the one with the strawman here. I am talking about the visceral anger that results in comments like "I was nothing but kind and loving her to. I was always there for her, offering a should to cry on, but then she went out with an asshole!" As if she owed this guy commitment and sex because he was nice to her. And then they turn to TRP and decide they too are going to become that "asshole" to get the girl (when in reality they are still romantically inept, just romantically inept bullies).

Women make the same comments about commitment all the time. “gosh, I wish that guy had married me.”

I never once said there aren't entitled women out there. Not sure what this has to do with anything I have written, since I was under the impression we were talking about men and Red Pill theories.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy

So instead of just calling them out on believe women owe them something, it becomes okay to make fun of their virginity instead?

[–]polyhooly0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

It's making fun of them for their shitty, entitled attitude being responsible for something they obvious have a problem with, but are too deluded to see, as well as being deluded enough to believe they have women, relationships, and sex all figured out when their virginity suggests otherwise.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy

So then you are saying the actions of virgin shaming someone is acceptable in this context.

Okay.

So would it be alright to call black people the n-word if those black people had shitty entitled attitudes?

[–]polyhooly3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy

Holy strawman! Shaming someone just because they are a virgin is not ok. Shaming someone for their shitty attitude, which is why they are a virgin, but they fail to make this connection themselves, is in no way comparable. You're a virgin because you're an asshole. You're not an asshole because you're a virgin --!PLEASE NOTE! I'm am not calling you an asshole here, just using that phrasing to illustrate the hypothetical argument. I have no idea of your sexual standing.

I also find it a bit rich you are incredibly indignant over supposed virgin shaming by Blue Pillers. As a woman, Red Pillers have literally said I am a lower life form incapable of the most human of emotions, of subpar intellectual capacities, who is good for nothing other than my genitals, who is a disgusting, undesirable, waste of human skin at age 27. Really, you're going to act all offended that someone loled at virgins?

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not offended though.

I'm trying to figure out if TBP is okay with holding opinions which are hypocritical, and what their justification is for such hypocrisy.

The same things that TRP gets slammed for by TBP are the same things TBP proceeds in doing itself.

It's one thing to advocate for peace.

But you're not looking like Gandhi if you're murdering people in the name of peace.

[–]polyhooly1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fair enough.

I do hope my explanation was sufficient enough to challenge your assertion that TBP is hypocritical when it comes to supposed virgin shaming.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Your cause and effect thinking doesn't quite work. You're a virgin because you haven't had sex which may or may not be related to your asshole attitude. I know a lot of asshole douches that are not virgins and a lot of really nice guys who are. I would say more often than not you are a virgin because you are subjectively not very attractive. I know a lot of girls who think an asshole type guy is hawt, so I think you should not be so quick to say being an asshole hurts your chances of having sex.

[–]polyhooly0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

You've completely missed my point. The person I'm in this conversation with claims TBP are shaming some RPers for being virgins, and my poor is that that is not the case. One of the reasons them wing a virgin may get brought up, the old virgin neck beard meme, is because many of these guys have the attitude that they have been owed sex, and that women are denying them something that is rightly theirs. My point is that this specific attitude is probably one big reason these guys are virgins. Again, they're virgins largely because of that asshole attitude, but most of all, they refuse to entertain this notion about themselves. No one is making fun of them just because they are virgins.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I think you've missed mine. Acting entitled to sex or like an asshole is not a valid indicator of whether or not someone is getting sex. I believe claiming this is a cause-effect link is inaccurate and dishonest.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

You haven't answered the question.

[–]soulcakeduck5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

In the above comparison, obesity is a stand in for sex.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

So your official answer is evading the question.

[–]MinigrinchBlue Panfag8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

It's called an analogy.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

You clearly didn't read the same post. The question is:

Are blue pillers really denying this reality (it is difficult to get laid) that is so very vivid and real for men?

Her answer was evasive, and did not answer the question.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

The strategy is simple and easy to understand. The execution is difficult.

It is difficult for guys to get laid but that is not because they don't know exactly what they need to do.

How does that not answer your question?

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Until the blue pillers understand that difficulty in this arena isn't just happening, but is very common for men, there will be no understanding. Are blue pillers really denying this reality that is so very vivid and real for men?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No. The comment from rad_skeleton was not saying that. You misunderstood that post. It makes a different claim.

We are simply trying to tell you what the actual claim is.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So the answer to the question .. the very question that was evaded here by soulcake is......

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (17 children) | Copy

Losing weight isn't all that hard. You have to eat fewer calories than you burn. But I could make a similar list about the weight loss industry. There are lots of reasons for this and lots of different systems for how to lose weight. Each of them will work for some people. Some work but are just a really bad idea for other reasons.

TRP may work but it is just a terrible idea. It's like the dating equivalent of anorexia. You lose the weight but now you are obsessed, miserable and likely to die early of a heart attack.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm only trying to get some common ground here. Do you agree that men have trouble getting laid?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I do agree that men have trouble getting laid.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Losing weight isn't all that hard. You have to eat fewer calories than you burn.

Not really relevant, but it's really, really not that simple.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I don't agree but you already knew that. I am open to debate this is you want. I don't mind that it is irrelevant.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Most people's metabolisms just aren't stable enough for it to be a straightforward math equation. If you only eat 1200 calories, but you eat them all in one meal at 10 pm, even if your BMR is typically 1500 you might still struggle to lose weight. When you go all day without eating it slows down your metabolism. And what types of food you're eating matter too, the nutritional value beyond the calories is important.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I do not believe the effect you are talking about happens. But, when you say something slows your metabolism, you are saying that it causes you to burn fewer calories and, as a result, fail to lose weight. This doesn't disagree with my statement.

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I guess technically it comes down to that, but it's not as simple as you made it sound because metabolism fluctuates and it's hard to guess what someone's metabolism is like in the first place. I have been told by multiple nutritionists that the effect I described is real, so I believe it. On the flip side, people recovering from anorexia typically become hypermetabolic and are capable of eating an enormous amount of calories without making gains.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting#Human_health

but it's not as simple as you made it sound because metabolism fluctuates and it's hard to guess what someone's metabolism is like in the first place

My whole point is that the principle behind weight loss is dead easy but putting into practice is pretty hard, it turns out. So, again, I don't see why you are arguing with me.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not arguing?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nonsense. If you burn 1500 calories, and take in 1200, you lose weight, that is a fact.

[–]ChaoticParadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. Losing weight isn't hard once you know what you're doing, but then again, if you know nothing about eating healthy, then it's not. What losing weight is really about is good old fashioned, consistent and disciplined, diet and exercise. I've lost over 90 pounds of body fat gradually over the last 4 years, and began toning up recently.

If you're watching your figure in the mirror hoping you'll magically be perfectly thin every day, you're going to be disheartened and think it's not working. The best advice I could give anyone is to keep your eye on the scale, exercise regularly, and continue educating yourself on nutrition.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Loosing weight is hard for some people, it is natural to others. Getting laid is hard for some people, it is natural to others.

I hate how people on tbp mock people who have trouble loosing weight and ask for advise. I especially hate it when it sounds like the the ones laughing are naturally thin. It makes it so much worse. I cringe a lot when I read posts there. A lot more than I do when browsing trp.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

I do not agree with you that mocking the overweight is more prevalent on tbp than trp.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Tbp only mocks people that ask for help or complain about it to people in trp. Tbp is very selective, which is a big part of why it is so cringe inducing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I am unsure what you mean. Do you have an example?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Read the top 10 posts of the day on both subs. Which one is openly mocking people more.

It is almost always tbp, which is why I find it to be a community that hides bigotry as parody.

[–]fiftyshadesofred3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The entire point of TBP is to mock TRP.

[–]angatar_7 points8 points  (23 children) | Copy

"Getting laid isn't all that hard."

Prostitution?

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good point, it's super easy, I'm closing down TRP now.

[–]angatar_5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the most gracious admission of error you've ever done. I'm glad this was all it took to solve TRP.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (20 children) | Copy

For a good one you've gotta drop at least $150, not good in cost/benefit analysis IMO. But that presents an interesting question I've often wondered about, why is male prostitution not more common for overweight/unattractive women who rarely or ever get laid. Clearly shame cannot be the main reason for the disparity in demand for prostitutes.

[–]angatar_10 points11 points  (15 children) | Copy

For a good one you've gotta drop at least $150, not good in cost/benefit analysis IMO.

Well now you're straying away from "getting laid is hard", and going towards "getting a high quality lay with little cost (in whatever metric) is hard", which is a completely different thing altogether.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy

High cost indicates it's hard. If it's easy, then it's cheap. Money doesn't grow on trees.

[–]angatar_6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy

For a good one you've gotta drop at least $150

High cost for high quality, in Vornash's words.

You didn't mention any requirements for cost or quality in your OP. As I've already said in the post above, adding those into the equation makes it a completely different claim.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

The point is that, no, a prostitute does not substitute for a mate that wants to have sex with you.

[–]angatar_0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Again, that's different than what you said. Do you see why it is a different claim?

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Are you comparing the ease of access women have to sex with the access men have because men can just hire prostitutes? Even a $10 hooker is $10 harder to get than free sex with somebody who wants to fuck you.

[–]angatar_4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Well now you're straying away from "getting laid is hard", and going towards "getting a high quality lay with little cost (in whatever metric) is hard", which is a completely different thing altogether.

Edit: and I made no gendered distinction. I don't know where you got that from.

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Ok well Vornash's point is a totally different thing, but I just assumed this whole thread was off topic since I don't think any guy truly thinks a prostitute is a desirable replacement for a normal sex life.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

The ones for $150 aren't exactly that great actually. I may have overstated their value.

[–]angatar_3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

The specific number doesn't really matter.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes, but you've ignored my question. Why is male prostitution not more common for sex deprived females? What is the source for the disparity and lack of demand?

[–]angatar_6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't see why I would address it, or how I could even if I should.

Do you agree that by adding cost and quality you've changed the claim being made by /u/redpillschool?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree men have standards, and sometimes those standards literally price them out of the sexual marketplace. The only way to overcome this difficulty is to lower standards or raise your own value.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fascinating, thanks.

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

why is male prostitution not more common for overweight/unattractive women who rarely or ever get laid

I can posit several reasons. First, you greatly overestimate how fat an unattractive a woman has to get before she gets into "rarely or ever get laid" land. Next, doesn't weight lower your sex drive? Finally, maybe male prostitutes are inherently unattractive.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

I don't deny that for some men, getting laid is hard. For some women, getting laid is hard. I don't believe this is the case for all or most men or women though.

[–]alphabetmodamused modstery1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Would you agree that for a man and woman of equal physical attractiveness all other qualities omitted that the woman would have an easier time getting laid? For example a man that is a "2" would have a significantly harder time getting laid than a woman that is a "2" and a man that is an "8" would have a harder time getting laid than a woman that is an "8".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Since I'm the one being quoted in the OP I want to clarify something,

I didn't say "its equally easy for a man and woman to get sex". I said its "not that hard for a man to get sex" as in- I don't think its as hard as TRP makes out. I think much of TRP has a vested psychological interest in making it sound harder than it is.

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No, I wouldn't. I think it's a difficult thing to prove scientifically, but my anecdata doesn't lead me to believe it either. I used to work with a really ugly (sounds mean, but he was very sexually unattractive to me) guy who had no problems getting laid because he was really ballsy/cheeky. He had a stunning girlfriend and had cheated on her more than once. He just didn't have any self-pity about being ugly, he was aware of it and used to laugh at himself being fat and whatnot but he just really did not care and so plenty of other people didn't either. Likewise, I've had ugly female friends who had no problems getting laid because they weren't afraid to be more outgoing and charming than their more attractive friends. One of the most sexually successful girls I've met was quite fat and had bad teeth and frizzy hair, but she was fun as hell and talkative so she didn't find having sex hard either.

The only people I've met who had difficulty having sex have been people with some kind of anxiety or self-consciousness, male or female, hot or ugly. Looks don't matter as much as opportunity and ambition, in my experience.

I think that attractive women get approached quite often, so for men who are looking at beautiful women it seems easy as hell (and unfair). Attractive men also get approached, though. Ugly women and ugly men do not get approached, generally, so they have to take matters into their own hands and do the approaching. It's not easy, but it is simple.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its easier to get laid as a women. You could just say "the next man to buy me a drink is getting laid" and you would get laid.

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male3 points4 points  (25 children) | Copy

I posted a long and, I think thorough reply to that comment just now.

I hope that someone will take the time to read it.

Blue pillers here keep claiming that they don't believe anything (other than, TRP is wrong!), but that's demonstrably not true, as the comment you've highlighted points out.

This piece of information completely and utterly denies a real experience that men have.

In my reply to him, I called it a dismal prospective. Blue pillers say, "Keep stumbling around in the dark, guys, that's all you can do."

This is what they fail to understand. Even if TRP is wrong, we're over there saying, "here's a map!" If TRP is wrong, you're going to have to do better to combat it than saying, "that map is wrong, everybody go back to stumbling in the dark."

[–]polyhooly7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

Even if TRP is wrong, we're over there saying, "here's a map!" If TRP is wrong, you're going to have to do better to combat it than saying, "that map is wrong, everybody go back to stumbling in the dark."

Why bother giving your advice to people who don't want it? TRP have explicitly stated that my opinion, as a woman, is completely inconsequential. A post on TRP currently is about an /r/AskWomen post asking women what they find attractive in men. TRP response is calling these women liars/deluded because they don't know what they really want/irrelevant ugly and fat chicks. There are plenty of non-RP road maps out there, but you've decided the novel, exciting, reactionary RP one is most worth you time. So again, why should I bother? I have better things to do than she-weeing into the wind.

[–]myfriendscantknowAgent Orangered (BP Man)3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

There are plenty of non-RP road maps out there

/r/dating_advice /r/relationships /r/GetMotivated /r/socialskills /r/malefashionadvice /r/loseit /r/sex

and that's just scratching the surface of reddit.

[–]polyhooly2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

But those aren't nearly as reactionary! Where's the fun?!?

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Why bother giving your advice to people who don't want it?

Not clear on what you're saying. I don't give advice to people who don't want it.

[–]polyhooly5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're asking why TBP is not giving a "road map" on dating/sex/realtionships, that is in opposition to TRP. One reason is because you guys don't want it. You have made that abundantly clear (not saying that all BPers even feel they owe you one). But then you turn around and call us the unreasonable ones with no legs to stand on because we are not offering you something you don't want and have already dismissed.

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

One reason is because you guys don't want it.

Excuse me. But this thread is in reply to a thread asking what blue pillers believe. There have been other threads before that. I'm specifically talking to some the blue pillers here like soulcakeduck who have replied in those threads saying, "why don't believe anything."

And I'm talking to the people who replied saying, "people are complicated!" because that's the same as offering no advice.

And I’m talking to “blue pillers” (and in this context I mean everyone outside TRP) who give unsympathetic advice elsewhere on reddit.

There are people who are frustrated and confused. They do want help.

[–]polyhooly7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP has some good advice: Treat yourself well. Dress well. Eat well. Exercise. Don't let others take advantage of you. Know when to let go of toxic people.

Follow that, and you are off to a good start. But leave what TRP says at that.

If you go looking for women in bars and clubs, don't act all indignant or smug at their values when some may behave like bar and club hopping party girls. If you target women with low self esteem, or who are just neurotic, don't be surprised when this causes problems.

So where do you find good women? Go find a hobby or an interest that will have a mix of genders. If this is too daunting or inconvenient, make some male friends and maybe they know a girl, maybe a coworker, to whom they are not attracted, but maybe you will be? I once read a study that demonstrated that most couples meet through mutual friends/acquaintances. Once you're in a relationship, you both need to be on the same page. If you want to be master boat captain Alpha, and she wants to be submissive first mate, great. Don't try to manipulate, dread game, whatever a woman into being what you want her to be. It will not end well. I've been with the same guy for nine years. I'm not totally talking out of my ass when I say that a lot of RPers say women really desire in relationships, such as being dominated, blah blah blah, may work for some women and relationships, but it certainly is no rule.

Understand that none of what I wrote is guaranteed to work on your first, second, third, or even tenth try. Maybe even at all. There is no magic spell, potion, or ticket to getting where you want to be in life because there are so many variables. TRP claims that if you follow these weird tricks, women will be dropping to their knees for you, and women hate it! If it doesn't work, then you did it wrong, or just found a defective feminist harpy. It's snake oil.

Does that answer anything?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blue pillers here keep claiming that they don't believe anything (other than, TRP is wrong!), but that's demonstrably not true, as the comment you've highlighted points out.

That was why I said it. The format of "red pill makes an assertion, BP disagrees" was feeling tired and I wanted to stir it up for a change (Note I don't speak for BP as a whole). Come at me bro.

[–]soulcakeduck6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy

Blue pillers here keep claiming that they don't believe anything (other than, TRP is wrong!), but that's demonstrably not true, as the comment you've highlighted points out.

You've misunderstood. Individual blue pillers of course believe things but "the blue pill" is not a shared, orthodox set of beliefs. Atheists will have answers to TRP's question here too, but "atheism" is not a shared set of beliefs about whether getting laid is easy.

Even if TRP is wrong, we're over there saying, "here's a map!"

Yes, your old "pray to grow crops" method. Clearly this is a sticking point where TBP disagrees; the evidence that prayer is ineffective is enough even if we're not selling our own fertilizer.

If blind faith "even if TRP is wrong" is preferable then frankly I don't see why you wouldn't put blind faith in the position you believe TBP supports too. I think it does matter to you that you think "TBP's position" is wrong and that's why you don't put blind faith in it. So it's quite confusing that you argue TRP is defensible even if it is wrong.

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

it's quite confusing that you argue TRP is defensible even if it is wrong.

That's not what I'm arguing. What I'm arguing is that when you guys say things like (and these are direct quotes) "there is no blue pill position" and "sooner or later someone will want to fuck you" you are driving people to TRP.

Because, as RPS notes in this thread, there are obviously a lot of men who are confused and frustrated. The only two options on the table right now are:

(1) keep doing what you're doing (that hasn't been working). Every girl is different! Humans are complicated! Nobody knows why some people are successful! There's no rhyme or reason! It's a mystery! Just keep stumbling around in the dark.

(2) here's a map and a flashlight.

Men say, "yeah I'll take the map, and when I shine the flashlight around, the stuff I see seems to line up with the map."

You come back and say, "no, the map is wrong. See this river? It's not really there." Then you go on to say, "keep stumbling around in the dark. Humans are complicated. Nobody knows why."

Even if the map is wrong what you guys are saying isn't going to dissuade anyone from following it. You have to provide a better map.

evidence that prayer is ineffective is enough even if we're not selling our own fertilizer.

Oh, you're selling fertilizer alright, just not for crops.

If the only two options are, "pray for your crops to grow" and "do nothing" - people are going to pray. If you want them to stop praying, you have to show them out to water the crops. But when I ask you to do that, you say "every plant is different - some don't need water at all - there is no unified blue pill position."

[–]soulcakeduck0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

That's not what I'm arguing.

Then I don't understand how anything you've said is relevant/true. I'd need an explanation that clearly reconciles this issue:

Either prayer-cropping, wrong-maps, and wrong-TRP/TBP are better than nothing despite being wrong, XOR showing they're wrong matters and is all TBP must do.

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

For the purposes of this argument, I've been assuming TRP is wrong in order to help you understand why people are drawn to it.

The reason they're drawn to it is that it's all they have. You offer no alternative. You make no effort to light their way.

...of course, I don't actually believe it's wrong (at least, not the parts that I accept). So, another reason people are drawn to it is that it's true.

But if it’s wrong, you need to understand how to fight wrong ideas. You’re not doing it effectively. You offer no alternative, so people will continue to believe the wrong idea. This happens all the time in the real world, not just in my analogies about crops and maps. What would you say to someone with a disease about to send their life savings to a faith healer? “Lol faith healers don’t work” isn’t enough. This person is in pain. The alternative to a faith healer is a doctor. The alternative to praying over crops is watering them. The alternative to the TRP map and flashlight would be your own version of the map.

But you refuse. You’re afraid that if you make an affirmative argument, I’ll find flaws in it. So all that you do is circle jerk about faith healers and tell people in pain that they’re wasting their money. You never actually tell them about doctors.

[–]soulcakeduck3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Lol faith healers don’t work” isn’t enough.

Evidence that faith healers don't work ought to be.

There are endless such scams I could spend my money on and I'd be out of time and money if I humored all of them for lack of an alternative.

The alternative to a faith healer is a doctor.

Doctor-alternative is a weaker refutation than "faith healers don't work." Your alternative leaves any case where a doctor doesn't help seeking a faith healer, which is a waste along with prayer-cropping and wrong-maps.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

You've misunderstood. Individual blue pillers of course believe things but "the blue pill" is not a shared, orthodox set of beliefs.

Awesome.

That does not change what blue pillers are claiming.

We aren't judging beliefs.

We are judging the actions of blue pillers.

Yes, your old "pray to grow crops" method. Clearly this is a sticking point where TBP disagrees; the evidence that prayer is ineffective is enough even if we're not selling our own fertilizer.

Except TRP has nothing to do with growing crops.

What I am having problems with is understanding how TBP feels about comparing women to crops.

Is okay to blue pillers to objectify women by comparing them to vegetables now?

Given that you've said "the blue pill is not a shared, orthodox set of beliefs.", it seems that TBP is okay with objectifying women, as there is no orthodox set of beliefs to object to the objectification of women.

So it's quite confusing that you argue TRP is defensible even if it is wrong.

So being wrong is not defensible?

Why do you feel that people should not be allowed to be wrong?

Does you believe that people only be defended when they're right, and offered no protection from abusive harassment and violence when they are wrong?

[–]soulcakeduck4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

What I am having problems with is understanding how TBP feels about comparing women to crops.

Is okay to blue pillers to objectify women by comparing them to vegetables now?

It's /u/nicethingyoucanthave's analogy. I think you should respond to him expressing your concern about his objectification of women if you feel this strongly, otherwise I'm going to take this at face value: you're trolling.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy

Are you telling me then that you believe it's okay to behave in the same manner as those you condemn provided they've done it first?

Also my other questions are not trolling what so ever (nor was the original question as I did not have context). Please answer them.

Is TBP is okay with objectifying women, as there is no orthodox set of beliefs?

Do you believe that people only be defended when they're right, and offered no protection from abusive harassment and violence when they are wrong?

[–]soulcakeduck2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is TBP is okay with objectifying women, as there is no orthodox set of beliefs?

No.

Do you believe that people only be defended when they're right, and offered no protection from abusive harassment and violence when they are wrong?

No.

Above, "defensible" asks whether there is a reason to do something. Knowing that prayer-cropping does nothing means the idea of prayer-cropping is not logically defensible.

There was no question of force or harassment here until you invented one. This invention and your choice not to share your supposedly-sincere concern with the analogy's creator undercuts my faith in your sincerity. I hope I've satisfied your curiosity as it is unlikely I'll answer further.

[–]regtopolousRed Pill Man-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

There was no question of force or harassment here until you invented one.

Indeed. Many members of TRP have been so conditioned by patriarchy that they cannot even question the force or harassment that is given to them.

Hopefully this will change into the future as we all become more enlightened.

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

It's actually a fair question, but you wont get an answer. Blue pillers refuse to be held accountable for their own words or opinions.

There was once a TRP thread in which someone said something like, "I don't understand women, I'm just going to stick to learning piano"

I replied, "if you want to learn about pianos, that must mean you hate pianos."

In the /r/thebluepill thread about that thread, there was a rather long and pathetic circle jerk along the lines of, "yes because women are obviously pianos!"

They do get offended at any attempt to describe women in any simplified way. But they can't explain why they're offended. They just feel offended.

[–]polyhooly2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

You're taking comments on a parody subreddit, where the average comment is meant to be sarcastic and a joke, and are trying to say "but they did not follow their reasoning with a scholarly, in-depth analysis."

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You're taking comments on a parody subreddit, where the average comment is meant to be sarcastic and a joke

No, I'm pointing out that the sarcasm is misplaced. And it's not a parody subreddit, it's a circle jerk.

You would probably make the same comments about /r/thankspatriarchy when they post thing like this: http://i.imgur.com/IPppL7x.gif

Feminists don't actually believe that stuff, so they're not actually parodying them

[–]soulcakeduck1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That certainly looks like parody to me. The point of the parody is not "feminists think this is caused by patriarchy," it's "feminists blame many things on patriarchy when they shouldn't."

So they've copied the style (blame patriarchy) and exaggerated it. Parody.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

blame patriarchy

It's clearly Obama's fault, though. Thanks Obama!

[–]redpillschoolRed Pill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read it, and it was really well written. Best-of material right there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

FYI I read it and thought it was solid. Also, in general I upvote the shit out of your comments. You're one articulate mother-fucker. And props on the persistence I gave up long ago...

[–]barbadosslim0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Getting laid is pretty hard for a lot of people, but what does that have to do with forming a sexist hate group like TRP?



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