Is it normal for old friends to begin to hate on you once your Red Pilled nature becomes apparent?

FereallyRed · 2019-10-08T22:33:20+00:00

That's not your friend.

Redhotdude1 · 2019-10-08T22:20:03+00:00

Stop hanging out with him. Surround yourself with people who are good for your well being. That dude obviously is jealous and doesn’t respect you so drop him like a hot panini and find people who lift your spirits.

sejlee09 · 2019-10-08T22:42:50+00:00

I recommend ignore, improve, find new friends.

But sometimes you can’t escape.

I was in a situation where I was stuck with living with a guy like this except he was in his 40s, pathetic motherfucker. Everyday he would come and he’d say “oh wow, handsome X, you must get all the girls” or he’d say “oh wow, youre not dating anyone?” etc. And he got a kick out of me reacting to him. It was his game, to try and get me to react to him in front of everyone.

When I’d confront him, that gave him even more fuel and kept doing it.

I tried to be cool, tried to be friends, and tried to warn him but he kept doing it. He felt insecure so by “embarrassing me” he got a dose of validation and turned into a cycle.

Humiliate me -> I react -> Rewards him with good feelings for his ego.

I was like you know what, fuck it. It’s time to give it back.

First day back

• Oh shit! Handsome boy is here. Coming back from a hot date?

Me: (Indifferent) Yes, as a matter of fact. I learned from your mistakes. Get my dates dates in before I become a ugly baldheaded uglyfuck in my 40s.

He looked stunned and people around him were snickering.

After that I started calling him, Mr. Clean! Looking handsome today, damn, finally got some ass from your wife?

Kept doing it.

Soon he started trying to be friends with me.

And when he did, I started treating him like a kid. No mercy. Kept fucking with him.

He stopped fucking with me.

If he fucks with you, its time to fuck with him back. You tried to be cool, he kept it going.

Burn him to ashes if you have no choice.

FrozenTreeStump · 2019-10-08T23:32:27+00:00

You should fuck the shit out of his gf

Ubiquitous-Toss · 2019-10-08T22:36:39+00:00

This is probably an excellent example of crab bucket mentality. They see you succeed physically and this is probably the inly way the guy chose to deal woth comparing himself with you is convincing himself and everyone else you're on steroids

Protocol_Apollo · 2019-10-08T22:53:07+00:00

This is crabs in a bucket mentality. Literally can happen for any situation where you are improving something they are not.

Lifting.
Working on a big project.
Making more money.

People “support” you until you surpass them.

66pisstrooperorder66 · 2019-10-08T22:53:34+00:00

Crab in a pot the guys a loser he was your friend when you both were losers but now your on your way to being a winner and he feels lonely cut that fool out

AlleyFrog96 · 2019-10-09T00:02:56+00:00

You're too young for this bullshit get new friends.

kfd_capital · 2019-10-09T01:05:54+00:00

Fuck his gf

R178 · 2019-10-09T00:48:55+00:00

I would suggest play the same game. He obviously feels threatened by you and is trying to degrade you. Act friendly and dominate even more. Next he mentions steriods laugh and say “you sure talk about steriods a lot, but am not on it, if you want I can give you couple of classes, you look like a girl can rob you” and laugh it off, he’ll be too scared to mention them again. Hope this helps OP. Being more TRP’Ed means being more appealing and Dominant to girl and men can easily notice an alpha based on the females attraction. Also, that’s not your friend.

BeeBopJoe · 2019-10-08T23:05:05+00:00

Stopped reading at the end of the 2nd paragraph. That guy isn't ur friend.

KGeeezy · 2019-10-09T01:34:47+00:00

Agree and amplify man - it always works. “Yea I’m on the roids, but weirdly my dick is getting bigger.”

drsherbert · 2019-10-09T03:07:40+00:00

Your “friends” are jealous. You’ve managed to gain some haters, which is a great thing. It means you’re doing good. Don’t cut them off immediately. Use them for whatever social purposes you might need them for at the present moment and leave them in the dust as you continue to level up.

Also, a 19 year old kid should never use steroids and he doesn’t need to. You’ll destroy your endocrine system for life at that age. Your natty test levels should be ridiculously high now. I’m 42 and my test level was 1120 at my last blood draw. My doctor thinks I’m juicing, but I’m not. I lift heavy, eat lots of fats, supplement zinc, boron, ashwaganda and vit d and have never once cycled test. For most men, there’s no need for it.

warwolverinewarrior · 2019-10-08T22:40:39+00:00

Dude, you got shit tested and failed. You should agree and amplify. "It's actually from all the Popeyes Spicy chicken sandwiches I've been eating".

ZeppKfw · 2019-10-08T22:46:04+00:00

Yep. If you want more answers I asked the same question here. Look into my post history.

Btw good job on your fitness progress. Seems like you're pretty jacked. Do you use any supplements like creatine?

luku1569 · 2019-10-09T00:28:56+00:00

Make a guide for us of how you edit your photos for social media lighting filters etc

boy_named_su · 2019-10-09T00:40:19+00:00

Not just TRP, but any self-improvement, or things that challenge their world-view. If they cant handle it, they can fuck off

wtfoshizzle · 2019-10-09T02:57:44+00:00

cut this dude out of your life. rather be alone than have someone like that in my life. if people think you are on roids your SMV must be pretty great. Spin plates, and socialize in new places. Eventually you will find a much better group of "friends".

boy_named_su · 2019-10-09T00:42:09+00:00

Sometimes you gotta tell a motherfucker "bring that up again and you're going to the hospital". As long as you can back it up. Or just avoid that faggot for life

mrpoopistan · 2019-10-09T00:20:56+00:00

Dude completely understood and we went to sit down. His girlfriend asked if everything was okay and he said “Yeah, OP just had to let out some roid rage”.

Compare these two sentences and figure out what the problem is.

CaptainKidd96 · 2019-10-09T05:20:50+00:00

When someone accuses you of juicing it's the ultimate compliment.

Continue pursuing your goals and don't bother explaining yourself to loosers. All they do is bring you down to their level so they can feel better about themselves.

Crixusgannicus · 2019-10-09T15:10:14+00:00

Anytime you are no longer part of the herd OR if it is discovered that you were NEVER part of the herd, to some extent or another, the herd will hate you.

ThatsReallyGr8 · 2019-10-09T00:09:32+00:00

Only if they are assholes no longer deserving of your friendship.

theloniouschonk · 2019-10-09T00:35:10+00:00

kellykebab · 2019-10-09T01:22:55+00:00

Kick his ass

DTron2332 · 2019-10-09T01:38:15+00:00

Even if you were on steroids, he should respect you as a man and cheer you on, which he clearly isn’t doing.

Some people would rather put you down rather than see you rise above them. Once you climb the latter, others will always try to bring you down.

frognads · 2019-10-09T02:15:47+00:00

The only thing that should be apparent to others is that you are better. If they can't handle that it's not your problem.

Snowboard18 · 2019-10-09T02:49:17+00:00

I’ve realized through the red pill that many of my friends are just sad, they are fine not improving in life and working toward a goal, they let women walk all over them

goathunter05 · 2019-10-09T02:53:21+00:00

tell that little bitch to stop training like a pussy and maybe he'd have something to show for it then fuck him off

1984Survivor · 2019-10-09T04:27:17+00:00

i'm curious, how does one organically increase ig following? like ubsaid ur >20k

never saw the mechanicas behind it

shark30k · 2019-10-09T04:39:39+00:00

"They want you to be better but not better than themselves."

PhaedrusHunt · 2019-10-09T05:09:28+00:00

Look at him, grab your nuts, and say, "It's all from having some cajones ese."

Are you actually close to the guy? If so he's just having a hard time readjusting frame and he's jealous. Roll with it, be cool, but have your boundaries and let him know they must be respected.

If you don't actually like the guy, fuck the prick.

You only have so much time. Allocate it well and treat it preciously.

throaway69404 · 2019-10-09T05:38:46+00:00

You let him get to you aswell, should have joked about how he will never get a good body and that's why accuses others of being on steroids

sakis_ikr · 2019-10-09T06:42:16+00:00

This guy is jealous of you af

send_it_for_the_boys · 2019-10-09T06:55:25+00:00

my old “best friend” we were really close, then I bulked up about 40lbs heavier then him and started fucking new girls all the time, found a new group, and started climbing the ladder in career. Anytime there was a girl around that I was flirting with or hell in general his main goal was to talk me down about anything, he’s like a chick anything you say he has the ability to turn it around on you and make it into a giant ego filled arguement or some shit, the kid was draining me and I damn near kicked his ass but I knew that was the wrong thing to do so I stopped hanging around him. I agree that some things are just banter and can be made into a fun little war, but there are people that never shut the fuck up and are jealous of you and want nothing more than to try and make you look as low as them. Example. We were out once and I was talking to this girl about the gym and what exercises she liked to do and things, he over heard and cuts in this guy doesn’t even go to the gym he says he does to impress girls blah blah and it was like a 5 minute chat of him bashing me I just sat quietly with a smirk and she did the work and said idk he looks like he goes to the gym to me, I believe his comeback was something like oh that’s all fake muscle he’s one of those guys that just looks like muscle but doesn’t have any...I laughed and said feel better?;) and I could see the shattered look in his face. Basically you’re way better off without pieces of shit like this, confident people uplift each other because they are confident enough in themselves that they don’t try to make people look bad, there’s nothing wrong with talking shit with your buddies it’s fun, me and 2 friends go to the gym together when we’re lifting we yell at each other and motivate the FUCK out of one another but between sets we talk shit and “sharpen our bantering skills if you will” but never is it meant to actually make each other look bad, good men talk shit with a purpose in hopes you can hold frame through it, insecure ego tistical douche bags are just bullies and that’s not cool.

AshyBoneVR4 · 2019-10-09T08:19:18+00:00

There's a lot to unpack here.

First and foremost, you're 19. I'm assuming your friends are 19 too. At 19 years old people are still insecure with themselves. This 'friend' you're refering too is a self centered insecure asshole. He sees what you've accomplished, and he's seen what you're becoming. He's either too lazy, or too much of a bitch to do things the right way and actually better himself, so he's making you look worse. It's the crabs in a bucket mentality. More than likely, he knows full well that you're not on steroids. Don't try to give him any excuses. You did everything that you needed to do when you pulled him to the side and spoke to him one on one. When you guys went back to the group of friends and he made his petty little comment, you should have left. There's no reason for you to be around him, and there's no reason for you to continue y'alls friendship.

You've done an amazing job bettering yourself. Most people are still trying to figure shit out at that age, let alone chasing after what they want. You're a good dude with your head in the right place. You're going to come across people who will treat you like this no matter what mentality you have in mind. It's not just red pill. If you try to better yourself, you're going to come across people like that. Cut them out of your life and just focus on achieving your goals.

Good luck man. I wish you the best.

furcryingoutloud · 2019-10-09T08:24:36+00:00

Is the best course of action to just remove this guy from my life and all friends who think similarly to him?

Your success puts their mediocrity on display. This guy in particular is very threatened by your success. Who knows, maybe his girlfriend has made off handed comments about how great you look and how you're getting it together. The point is that he feels forced to downplay your success.

On another note, use of steroids is not cheating. That's like saying that using weights is cheating and you should be able to reach your goals with your own body weight. If your goals exceed your body's natural ability to reach them, then steroids is the equivalent of using more weight. It is a tool to achieve higher goals.

You do what you have to do to protect your business, and if not using steroids is a strong selling point for you, then so be it. But the people who have used steroids don't deserve bad knocks because the US government decided steroids is cheating. Respect those within your industry that choose a different path than you do.

Haytch1234 · 2019-10-09T08:26:14+00:00

You need new friends. They hate the fact they do not have the discipline.

imtheoneimmortal · 2019-10-09T09:29:23+00:00

Why you lose temper Just laugh about what he said If what he’s is important you think and lose temper If is useless you just laugh

AnneStaz · 2019-10-09T10:00:26+00:00

Dude needs a good ass whoopin

mickey__ · 2019-10-09T10:00:42+00:00

You're bunch of kids, that's unfortunate reality of today

GandMeChattri · 2019-10-09T10:05:51+00:00

I've lost all of my friends but two. I'm gonna move countries in the next year and I'll probably lose those two as well. I'm okay with that.

One of my ex-best friend sabotaged me twice where it cost me with a bitch. That was the end of that with him.

As a man, I am the alpha lone wolf in my head and challenges only make me stronger. I honestly have started liking it as well.

Snowaey · 2019-10-09T10:15:15+00:00

Lol he sounds like a white knight that gets friendzoned by every girl he tries to get with.

Fuck that guy, u don't need him

TheBunk_TB · 2019-10-09T11:35:53+00:00

If this guy was your friend, he would have asked you for pointers, said good job, or something like that. This guy is a soft enemy.

MattyAnon · 2019-10-09T11:49:34+00:00

I began to lose my temper here.

This is bad. Don't lose your temper.

You have to downgrade the person doing this from "friend" to "shit tester", and treat accordingly.

I asked to talk privately and told him whatever his issue is that I’m not on steroids and he needs to stop saying it as it’s damaging for someone in my position.

Crabs in a bucket mentality. He's trying to drag you down to make himself look better.

I guess it’s easier to just say that guy cheated as opposed to hold yourself responsible for a lack of change in your life

Exactly yes.

Fundamentally you need to treat this stuff as shit tests and laugh it off.... and stop believing they are your friends - they aren't. Get better friends, find people with ambition who are also improving themselves.

Just wondered if anyone else had a similar experience with people becoming malicious when they begin to do well?

I haven't had this experience, but it is very common.

Is the best course of action to just remove this guy from my life and all friends who think similarly to him?

More or less yes.

Distance yourself from him, spend time with better people. Not "cut him off" so much as.... more distance and fading out of what was a friendship but is no longer.

whiffofass · 2019-10-09T12:32:54+00:00

You are in the fitness industry and low key call steroids cheating. Are you 12?

KGeeezy · 2019-10-09T12:44:43+00:00

It’s 100% normal for people to hate once you start improving yourself. The best solution here is to agree and amplify. Make a joke about it, don’t take yourself so seriously. Use this to motivate you even more. All the comments telling you to “fuck his GF” or “kick his ass” all sound very beta to me. I think a lot of people on this sub misinterpret the meaning of TRP. You got shit tested by your friend, understand this will happen again and don’t let it phase you.

candidwhisperer · 2019-10-09T12:48:33+00:00

i understand you have a reputation as a fitness person (upcoming model?) but honestly its a compliment. i CONSTANTLY had people say that about me when i was bodybuilding consistently. thats just how people will be sometime, dont sweat it. it just means u look unnaturally good and they're jealous.

RStonePT · 2019-10-09T14:16:02+00:00

You're insecure

He's insecure

Both of you are having this weird cold war and need to nut up

Slut_Slayer9000 · 2019-10-09T14:50:54+00:00

As everyone stated this is not your friend, he feels bad about himself so he is taking it out on you aka projection

He is shit testing you, and you lost frame (it happens)

Best way to handle it is not to take him by the side and talk to him or get angry, both of those = losing frame

I would do my best to disassociation with him asap but if you must, definitely call him out on it and ask him why he another man is so concerned about your body? Is he gay? Is he jealous? Ask him which is it in front of everyone. Then laugh it off and move on with your life. Seriously answering any "steroid" question just gives him more power. Treat it like any other shit test.

Karmanger · 2019-10-09T14:51:32+00:00

He is 100% jealous of your transformation and is trying to AMOG you. The girls in the group and others must be talking positively about you and he must feel small compared to you. You will have to be witty and have clever come backs or you can flip it on him.

Call him out in-front of the group, but make sure it's not in an angry way.
You can also say hey your looking kinda skinny I think you need some roids too. Or " Joke When your having sex with your girlfriend does she lift you up?"

KaiSmashSmashSawmash · 2019-10-09T15:21:02+00:00

Sounds like my brother.

[deleted] · 2019-10-09T17:14:27+00:00

Sorry for your trouble and congratulations on your dedication to gains.

Sounds like he's jealous. I would just ignore him and let it all slide with a smirk.

MagnetoWned · 2019-10-09T18:07:11+00:00

100%. When you really start to improve yourself it’s very easy to weed out the crab in a bucket “friends” you have. The only friends that will hate on your improvement are the one’s NOT DOING SHIT. If you have a friend that’s aiming for something big in life, chances are they’ll be happy and encourage you to achieve your goals also. On the contrary, you have losers that do the same shit and have no dreams/aspirations, they see you working hard towards your dreams and shit on you for it. I have a couple “friends” where this happened. I stopped hanging out with them less & less and slowly waned them off. There’s people that either “GET IT” or they don’t. Most crabs just don’t get it. I can sense the jealous and envy in their eyes. It’s hilarious. The older you get I feel the less likely it is to find a lifelong friend. Slowly detach yourself from him and continue to improve 🙌

IAMMEYESME · 2019-10-09T20:44:47+00:00

People want to protect their ego and investment. Your existence makes them feel bad about themselves if they compare themselves to you. In some cases, if someone invested in you and they see signs that you are becoming more independent and able to get more out of life, that threatens their investment in you so they try to keep you down. That's why people closest to you, your family or partner discourage you.

Bear-With-Bit · 2019-10-09T21:06:17+00:00

Should have just replied in front of everyone, "Bet your gf thinks I'm hotter than you."

IBeMadToo · 2019-10-10T00:36:42+00:00

You gotta learn to not give a f*ck my man. People said similar things to me and I've only gained about 7kg.

"Hey man you on the juice or what?" "Yeah! Orange juice, Apple juice...."

"OP can you eat this with your steroids?" "Nah the label said I couldn't."

"He'll be bald soon with the stuff he's on..." "Yeah I should slow down!"

You are letting him get to you which is what he wants. Learn to agree & amplify, deflect back onto him, etc.

wisdomrichie · 2019-10-10T15:15:54+00:00

He’s a big hater. Cut him off ASAP

AceMav21 · 2019-10-08T23:51:56+00:00

I tried to make a fitness Instagram but all of my 50 pics were drunk bathroom mirror selfies/flexing vids so I just deleted it. Anyhow OP you want to take some Halotestin and DMAA next time you’re around that guy😂. Also as your following grows unless you’re WNBF you’re a fake natty by default

Circ-Le-Jerk · 2019-10-09T02:23:32+00:00

Just to play devils advocate and look at things differently (always good to circle around things for insight)

Are you sure you’re not just coming off as an arrogant dick? I know a lot of guys can become insufferable douches because they come off arrogant and kind of a dick all of a sudden as they haven’t yet learned how to stand up for themselves in a cordial and confident manner.

This is my alt for a Vanguard btw... I see it with a lot of guys early on kind of being dicks. One friend I had to cut friendship with entirely because I couldn’t stand how confident he’d become because he just didn’t know how to not always act alpha and calling shots to the point where it felt like a goof

It could be that your friend is being a dick because his own personally insecurities, or it also could be that he feels like you think you’re better than him and haven’t really “earned” climbing up the pecking order yet.

Just my 2 cents.

masterpiece00 · 2019-10-09T07:15:26+00:00

None of the things you listed equates to red pill nature.

have begun to get a decent sized following (>20K)

Also this is what females do.

Title	Is it normal for old friends to begin to hate on you once your Red Pilled nature becomes apparent?
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Date	October 8, 2019 10:17 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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