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[Mod] The Red Pill is Sexual Strategy

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Apparently a few of you got it into your heads that you've decided you single-handedly get to determine a new subject for the future of the forum.

So Apparently I need to waste time writing a sticky because those people couldn't be bothered to read the first fucking paragraph of the sidebar.

For those of you too fucking god damned lazy to do it, here you are:

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

Wait, I thought TheRedPill was simply male self-improvement?

This is a pervasive concern troll that I've been seeing a lot recently.

No, the red pill is a discussion of sexual strategy. That encompasses everything related to sexual strategy. That encompasses learning game, learning about the nature of men and women, learning the nature of communication, exploiting this knowledge, and building yourself into the version of you with the highest chances of sex.

Trying to reframe this as simply "self-improvement" is kowtowing to serve the feminine imperative. I don't care if sexual strategy sounds bad, or if that makes us misogynists.

I see it a lot on other subs, where guys try to make this subreddit seem more palatable to outsiders- "oh no, man, we're not really misogynists, we are just working towards self improvement." As though putting that positive twist on it changes the fact that we're actually talking about sexual dynamics, hypergamy, AWALT, and Machiavellian forms of communication that take control of frame and exploit human psychology in ways that society would consider to be "wrong".

Sure, self-improvement is one aspect of our discussion. But make no mistake, the sort of self-improvement we're doing here isn't the kind that satisfies our feminized culture. We aren't just working out our biceps and calling it a day. We're working out our minds, we're gorging on information that is labelled "hate" for lack of a better criticism against it. We're taking in information that is so effective when utilized that the entirety of the feminine imperative has done everything in its' power to delegitimize it and us by labeling us everything under the sun between extremist misogynists to neckbeard virgin losers.

When you start deciding that you don't like certain content because it doesn't fit your narrow definition of "self-improvement" ask yourself who you are trying to satisfy with such a stupid self-censoring.

We will not be changing the subject of this sub.

We will not be entertaining concern trolling.

Apparently you need me to spell this out for you, despite the fact that it's on the sidebar.

If the content of your comment or post is regarding or policing the tone or direction of our sub, you are concern trolling. There is no room for that here.

Obviously this came up because there are some people who really really dislike /u/gaylubeoil. I get it. You can't just see content you dislike and leave it alone.

But here are your options:

  • Post content you want to see.
  • Downvote and move on.
  • Attack his ideas, not his person.

Here are not your options:

  • Comment on the direction of the sub.
  • Decide that in your 3 weeks you've been here, the sub is suddenly in "decline" and you need to make everybody aware of it.
  • Attack his person, not his ideas.
  • Leave utterly unconstructive comments that don't address the subject matter.

If you don't seem to understand these rules, /r/theredpill isn't for you.

There are no exceptions to this.

EDIT: Just wanted to make a quick edit- while this post still applies, it looks like we are being brigaded by subredditdrama who have been posting a lot of this garbage. Nevertheless, follow the rules. That is all.


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Title [Mod] The Red Pill is Sexual Strategy
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 372
Comments 171
Date 29 August 2015 05:06 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/35955
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3iv1it/mod_the_red_pill_is_sexual_strategy/
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[–][deleted] 82 points83 points  (6 children) | Copy

Basically, gentlemen, what /u/redpillschool is trying to nip in the bud is the slow creep of policing of language, and reframing of our mission.

Many of you newbies would be well served to read the following article from /u/Rollo-Tomassi:

http://therationalmale.com/2014/06/03/male-space/

TRP is a male space, period. We will not dilute the language from "teaching men sexual strategy" to "self improvement", and pretend we don't care about all of the other RP facets outside of "self improvement". See, the former is raw, direct masculine language; the latter is kowtowing to women, manginas, feminists, and other outsiders from places like SubredditDrama and TheBluePill, with sensitive fee fees.

I so often get PMs and messages from outsiders "hey bro, if you RP guys would just tone down the language a little bit you might bring more men into TRP, dude!" To wit, I reply, I don't give a shit. TRP doesn't recruit. TRP doesn't need a Fan Club. TRP is what TRP is. It's laid bare in the sidebar. If you like it, stay. If you don't, leave.

No skin off our dicks either way.

EDIT: And by the way, learn the use of the "Report" button. The purpose of "Reporting" a post is because it breaks the rules of the sub, not simply because you don't like it. Examples of Reportable posts:

  • Trolling
  • Concern trolling
  • Tone Policing
  • Name Calling/Pissing Matches
  • Drive-by Link Dumps not caught by AutoMod

And, btw, this is one thing that's annoying me lately: If you are going to report a post, give a damn reason in the comment area. If you report without reason, I will ignore your report. Period.

[–]my_redpill_account0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Alien blue only lets us report as spam, and won't give us a field for entering a comment. This may be the reason for no comment reports.

[–]thefisherman19610 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Basically, gentlemen, what /u/redpillschool is trying to nip in the bud is the slow creep of policing of language, and reframing of our mission.

Oh you mean like the exact same technique that Big Brother used to implement Newspeak in 1984?

TRP doesn't recruit.

You should have told him, "As a matter of fact, we strongly discourage recruitment."

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm literally hitler.

[–]thefisherman19610 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I meant that the slow creep of policing language in order to reframe our mission is the same technique Big Brother used Newspeak to do in 1984.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, yeah. Well, my point still stands. I'm hitler.

[–][deleted] 101 points102 points  (15 children) | Copy

I think we need a few discussions on definition. I see men here throwing around phrases and concepts they have no idea about. I've seen people get offended (yes offended, the pinnacle disposition of SJWhood) when everyone paints the sought after alpha male in anything but the most positive of light. Most alpha males are sociopaths and social scum and they drowned in pussy every day. Another theme I'm tired of seeing is the use of the Chad Thundercock archetype. "Hey bros I was Chad for an hour yesterday". No you fucking weren't. Chad is a state of existence and you either grow up a Chad or you don't. There are zero Chad's in TRP because Chad doesn't have the self awareness or philosophical toolkit to introspect on his life. Just some things on my mind, maybe I'll make my own topic.

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[–]chwed25 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is so true, whenever a word is thought up to describe something it seems to dominate it to these people, and then its like a 'secret club' or some shit, like they enjoy the fact they are in kind of society or something, this is brony level shit.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I really think "Chad" is a term for people bridging between Anger Phase and the next step.

They're coming out of the anger phase by slaying as much pussy as they can. Eventually slaying pussy for the sake of slaying pussy becomes old and they slide fully into the phase beyond anger.

[–]remember131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think so. Firstly, Chad started as a name for the AF archetype, then it started to gain certain attributes regarded as Alpha (good looks, confidence, etc.), then in the last phase it became synonymous with Alpha. But only for some people.

And here lies the problem with the term: we agreed to a part of the definition, but not to all of it. Chad only has a partial definition, and even that part is not agreed by all users. We should either agree to a full definition, or forget about it.

I think I bored the shit of you, but had to get this of my chest. Thanks!

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I disagree Chad is much better off , he can live in his delusional world where he thinks women are awesome loving creatures while his actions are full of abundance mentality AWALT and other concepts we agree with.

We learned what to do , or the people who started "sexual strategy" by observing chads behaviour and how women reacted to it. Chad doesn't have to wake up everyday knowing that everything he was taught was wrong and that a woman can never love him the way a man can love a woman. Chad is deluded although his actions don't show it. If you ask him how to get women he won't know besides "be yourself". Chad will always be better off than us because he gets to enjoy tail while staying deluded. Chad probably disagrees with awalt and believes in the perfect one if you conversated with him. We're below Chad , he will always be happier and more satisfied but still above betas and omegas.

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[–]remember130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think the problem is that you two guys have two different concepts of Chad. Nevertheless, interesting ideas on both sides.

[–]1cover201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought Chad was an AMOG who took other guy's women i.e. ignored bro-code and was at least somewhat successful at it.

That isn't at all necessarily a guy to whom prospecting for girls came easy. I suspect those who equate them (if that's what they are doing) are showing jealousy, maybe a part or type of anger stage.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]deargdragon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whatever happened to "Continuous Blue Balls"? That sounds like a great idea.

[–]redparadigm14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think the underlying issue is that swallowing the red pill is such a transformational experience that you immediately feel the urge to discuss other realms of life that you felt lied about such as local politics, health, fitness, geopolitics, money and career.

I think its a matter of time before the need will arise to create TRP subs that exclusively focus on those fields while maintaining the type of conversation style, straight talk and non pc language that makes original TRP so effective and enticing.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think those are particularly off topic here. Feel free to talk about those things- and their effect on men.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Especially Health given the recent addition of the Fitness flair (as well as MGTOW and Science flairs).

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

I have noticed what has appeared to be brigading on a couple threads recently. Weird patterns of upvoting/downvoting ... even a comment that was basically the direct opposite of TRP theory getting gilded. I commented on the thread to that effect. Think /u/Dark-Ulfberht noticed it too.

I also got a weird PM the other day that appeared to be an attempt to doxx me, though they seemed to be confusing me with someone else.

Strange times. I guess some feel the need to silence or suppress us.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

The pressure has gotten real recently. I've been in contact with the admin about this.

[–]teeelo4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I guess some feel the need to silence or suppress us.

Very strange. I guess they don't think TRP is a passing fade anymore that will just burn itself out. Just keeps getting bigger without even trying to.

[–]DailyManliness8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

I got into TRP based on years of PUA community involvement, there was tons of overlap with the content (and even in the glossaries) so I knew it was just gaining more knowledge in a similar area of thought

Both communities focus on self-improvement heavily, you can't have sexual success or successful mating without being the best man you can be BUT you're definitely right where people keep focusing just on the self-improvement thing, as though this is a fitness/wellness sub for men. I view trp as a more in depth societal version of the various PUA communities, where we also take aspects of men's rights as well. A lot of the content is around women and how they act so we can better understand our social interactions and even protect ourselves if necessary, self improvement is a minor part of trp and lifting itself is an even smaller part of self improvement because knowledge is even more important here than the physical aspects

[–]LMS_THEORY_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I do believe TRP and PUA are two different philosophies. How the 2 got blended is beyond belief. Most of the stuff here is a more practical approach to pua (i.e. lifting/looks isnt important, complex algorithms in a dynamic social context, negging, are some of PUA concepts that r/TRP corrected or improved upon). And if you were around during the height of 'The Mystery Method', it (being reddit trp/pua) is a perfectly acceptable response to the mechanical way he and others like him suggested men interact with women.

I find it ironic that the sub calls itself TRP, and says its mission is educating men on sexual strategy. The men who originally coined the term TRP were so anti-femenist that they were repulsed with the thought of sex with the western woman and resorted to foreign mail order brides and prostitution to satisfy their needs.

[–]1Halfjor17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you. Changing the tone of this community to appease our detractors goes against everything TRP teaches. Don't give them a fucking inch.

It makes a much stronger statement that we've exponentially grown to 130,000 subs without neutering ourselves or the ideas discussed here. Keep the fire blazing. Brb, hitting the gym, fucking AWALT.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil56 points57 points  (29 children) | Copy

The first step of Red Pill is taking women off of the pedestal and seeing them as fallible human beings influenced by perverse modern incentives. The second step is lifting and self actualization. The third and final step is taking Men off the pedestal.

All Men are Like That. Which is to most to the point where it is nearly indistinguishable from all men are weak insecure betas. What percentage of men do you think will make it through a 12 week Stronglifts program after swearing up and down how much they want to improve their bodies. 10-15% maximum, because the majority of men are beer drinking television watching garbage.

The same tools that Red Pill uses to manipulate women can very easily be repurposed to manipulate men, especially if they are insecure betas.

Once you have built yourself into a cold hard manipulator of women why wouldn't you expand your skills to manipulating men? Why the fuck would you stop, especially after all of the shit you've gone through? Eventually you are going to get bored of plates and stop pimping them out. Eventually you are going to start using men for their labor in the same way you use/used women for their vaginas. Taken to its logical conclusion the Red Pill isn't really about self improvement that's a nebulous content. The Red Pill is about ruling those beneath you. The Red Pill is about leadership.

This idea of manipulating betas upsets betas. Nerd Herding definitely rustled some jimmies. It made them feel insecure. Red Pill betas would rather shit on women then take a real look at themselves. Beta men follow their feels in the same way that women do. Which is why they are so easily manipulated.

You want to unplug? Here's a Red Pill fact. There is a 90% chance that you are a weak fucking bitch who is easily taken advantage of by more powerful men. If you want to save yourself from the wolves become a wolf. If you want to complain about how unfair wolves are the Red Pill isn't for you.

Be grateful for all of the wolves who have chosen to tell you the art of wolf. In the wild wolves eat sheep without telling them why or how.

[–]Hokuto199x3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I tend to view most people as beneath me, so that's a line of thought that appeals to me. There are a lot of lambs and very few lions. I'd rather be a lion. A lion that's been conditioned to think it's a lamb by a very lamb oriented society needs to be told the truth to begin to behave like a lion.

[–]Soriq7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Real men don't get offended by your posts. Low test little bitches do.

I find your posts to be a great litmus test of the subscribers here who have actually internalized what this sub is about. 80/20 rule applies to that 120k plus subscribers just as well

[–]TheMGhandi3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Tell me how can I manipulate people the Machiavellian way. Both men and women, I want to be able to use them to suit my needs. Why? Because I have little to no respect for the general populous, yet I hold yourself, Illimitableman and others in high regard. That doesn't change the fact that you all give out this information without getting paid for it. Absolutely shocking! Especially for those with Dark Triad Traits. Then again, I can probably come up with a few reasons...

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy

I recently wrote a psychological manipulation guide, definitely check it out. I hope to write more on the subject in the coming months. Both I and Illimitable man get paid for our work. IM asks for donations on his website and is working on a book. My demographic is a bit younger: 18-23, which is why I'm offering shirts.

As for my motivations for writing. I believe that the manosphere is the place to be right now. Our culture is hostile to men and is dismissive of their problems, which means that we will continue to experience substantive growth. There are very few strong players in the game right now and competition is scarce.

Over the past two years my writing skill has greatly improved because of my participation in Red Pill. My goal is to refine my writing ability, build a strong following and then eventually publish a book.

For me publishing a hit book would be an amazing accomplishment, and that is the goal I am working towards.

[–]deargdragon5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

So many good books in that thread.

I recently wrote a psychological manipulation guide, definitely check it out.

Basically marketing in a nutshell.

[–]TheMGhandi0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

No need to insult me GLO, obviously I read your posts the day you put them up. I'm looking forward to your next one, and thought I could suggest adding a piece from the 48 laws of power: probing. Highly offensive and easy to spot so it's very risky. Law 14 "pose as a friend, act as a spy" and law 33 "Discover each man's thumbscrew" go in detail as to seeking information.

Once these lazy fucks decide to read the sidebar, your following would substantially rise. Either way, I know you'll accomplish your goals. All that's left now is to master your craft.

Thought I'd mention that deargdragon left a golden comment here down below. He replied to my comment under RedPillDad's parent comment. It'll leave you with a huge grin on your face, my guarantee.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I really appreciate your support. I'm only 25 and writing a great book I can be proud of is a daunting task. Thanks for the continued motivation and help.

[–]TheMGhandi1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm almost 25 yet you're far ahead of me in life. I must step my game up.

Seeing as we're all brothers here, the support remains unconditional. Best of luck.

[–]Doctor_Mayhem2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have said for years now, that the least useful aspect of Game and TRP is using it to get pussy. No, the most useful aspect of it is to build a veritable cult around you and aspire to grand titles and leadership.

At the very least, it's far more useful in career and political advancement.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

This idea of manipulating betas upsets betas. Nerd Herding definitely rustled some jimmies. It made them feel insecure.

You completely missed the point. Funny how you immediately call anyone dismissing your post as an "insecure beta". "Manipulating nerds" isn't the reason people disliked your post. The reason many people didn't like it, is because you talked as if you can let other people do all your uni work for you. At the end of the day it's still YOU who is taking those tests, not the nerds you've been manipulating.

So how the fuck are you supposed to get A's while taking classes like linear algebra and organic chemistry? Nerds. It's far easier to learn from nerds than Professor Tunak who only talks about shit that isn't on the test. Nerds digest the information for you, arrange it into neat outlines, and make studying way easier.

If you're in university for a degree that's worth a damn, it's gonna be hard, hard work. Just "manipulating" nerds into helping you with your homework simply isn't going to be enough to pass. The reason you're in university is so you can learn a skill, or gain knowledge that will help you with a job later on in life. This is the big goal, the goal isn't having sex with as many Stacey's as possible. Being autonomous, going to class and doing your homework will help you achieve that goal better than leeching off of nerds from your class.

But oh wait, who am I to go against an "endorsed contributor"?

Here comes the banhammer.

EDIT: typo

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here comes the banhammer.

I don't know why you think that's banworthy.

Critique away. It's welcome.

[–]syom1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

hmm.. i mean i get your point university is definitly hard work to pass it. but i think that GLO point is that it's just easier if you work with the nerds. i mean it makes sense he basically saying that you should surround yourself with the smart ones. that is a very basic principle.

[–]Nazrath21120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great post. We would be so lucky as to just be eaten by wolves if we were sheep.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

/u/GayLubeOil is my fucking hero. If I hadn't read his posts on here, I would have stayed a lonely, pussy worshipping, beta loser. You and all the other 'wolves' on TRP shaped my life to an unbelievable degree, thanks so god damn much man.

[–]Redasshole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I hope he never let the signal weakens. Most his posts recently didn't have a lot of upvotes so I hope he doesn't try to adapt by toning down the language.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Getting laid and making money has never required me to be dishonest.

You're right- and you don't have to be dishonest. It is an option though, and one might say it's less work or higher reward. But you don't have to do it.

I find it easier to be honest with women. When you lie to a woman it means you care what they think.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Close your eyes and ask your mommy to read you a bed time story. Pretend everything is okay. You think the world isn't dog eat dog? Most of our readers are being enslaved by student debt as we speak. There will be no economic recovery. The government is spying on you like never before. The list goes on forever.

Your asshole is so dilated from being repeatedly assfucked by so many different dicks that you can't even feel it anymore. Being assfucked is normal for you. You've accepted it because at this point its all you know.

[–]1cover201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am currently surrounded by a number of narcissists in my own family. The lessons of detachment and strategy learned here have served me well once I understood how the personalities around me worked (that part I learned mostly elsewhere.)

There is no choice but emotional detachment in that case. I guess that's manipulation since one reacts intellectually and not emotionally.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

this easily couldve been another great post for this sub imo but too many beta RP?ers on here think otherwise. im grateful for all you wolves.

[–]1cover203 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It was a great post and he didn't even try to sell me a t-shirt.

[–]2rp_valiant16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

thank you for posting this, I think it's been a long time coming. It seems there's been a rise in the number of users saying "if only we did X, TRP would become more mainstream/acceptable/visible/whatever". The only response to people trying to guide the direction of the sub in that way is "why fix what isn't broken?" The sub functions perfectly for it's purpose and who cares if the rest of reddit thinks we're scum - we've helped some fraction of 128,075 men and that's largely down to our raw, unfiltered discussion of sexual strategy.

[–]WardlyHasted 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy

People also need to start following the god damn formatting rules.

When used correctly, it makes posts much more appealing to the eye and much easier to follow. I don't want to read a 10 line run-on-paragraph before I figure out what the hell you're talking about.

[–]JanLul4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

At first I was a little apprehensive to the change. Then I found out I started to dislike posts that didn't follow the formatting rules.

[–]Doctor_Mayhem11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Wait... people don't like GayLubeOil? Sure, he's an utterly amoral degenerate who probably injects Sustanon in his cock, but damn if he ain't funnier than hell. What kind of faggots don't like GayLubeOil? Next to Illimitable Man, GLO is the only reason I'm still on this board.

Speaking of which, when's the next article from the Anabolic Gain Train that is GLO coming out?

[–]Thereddestpiller0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

People are starting to dislike him cause his last article says cheat your way through university, and hes marketing his fucking shirts every fucking post

[–]Doctor_Mayhem0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You have a valid grievance. Don't think I am denigrating the complaints. It kinda is annoying when GLO markets his shirts. However... that's his right.

Now... cheating through uni... you're only cheating yourself. Oh the other hand, this is America. If you're not lying, cheating, and stealing just a little bit, you're losing.

However... yeah... don't cheat on your tests, don't cheat on homework. Learn the knowledge properly.

Well... unless its your Gen Ed/Lib Arts/Humanities classes. Cheat away on those. Nothing worth learning from those.

[–]thebroathlete7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

Finally, I was actually downvoted for posting things similar to this a while back by the very users who thought it would be right to turn this place into a mixture of a bodybuilding, career advice, and mental help forum. I have posted about this before too and this very issue has caused me to criticize the red pill on other subs (something I am confessing to right now). If this is how the mods think, I look forward to being a contributor here once again. Posted a link but it was removed so I removed the link in my edit.

My future threads will talk about logistics, meeting hot girls after college, building a lifestyle that attracts good looking women, and engaging in activities that involve a lot of good looking women. Anyone who wants to help me contribute more relevant material like that to this sub, I will be grateful.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

My future threads will talk about logistics, meeting hot girls after college, building a lifestyle that attracts good looking women, and engaging in activities that involve a lot of good looking women. Anyone who wants to help me contribute more relevant material like that to this sub, I will be grateful.

That sounds like some good quality content, thank you.

[–]Redasshole0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm writing a piece about respect. Somethig basic for the newbs.

[–]thebroathlete0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't see how that was relevant to my post....

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy

Shit, I thought this was a business forum. And here I was killing it at work based on these concepts... Kidding aside, my views come from business acumen, not from the sexual arena. I appreciate GLO's voice because it comes from a different angle. Plus it's strong and courageous, with zero give-a-fucks about political correctness. His voice emboldens the rest of mere mortals.

[–]TheMGhandi5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm very interested in obtaining some RedPillBusiness knowledge. No posts seem to illustrate how a sociopath (in the gervais principles) would move up a company. Am I supposed to a) be the clueless loser, work real hard moving up into management and once there I would start doing damage or b) do I go full blown under-performing loser from the get-go looking for my way up?

[–]deargdragon11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've been doing a lot of thinking on this, and these are my conclusions so far. It's a work in progress at the moment.

Moving up the chain within a company has become largely impossible in today's economy. While sociopathic tendencies definitely helped with that elevation in the past, you're unlikely to achieve the same results in today's business world. The only problem I have with the Gervais Principle is that it is modeling a TV show with overblown caricatures. Most people have loser tendencies, clueless tendencies, and some sociopathic tendencies all rolled into one. Much like people have beta tendencies and alpha tendencies simultaneously.

The key is to use each of these at appropriate moments, which inherently makes you more sociopathic because you begin to always read between the lines. My strategy is simple: while at the bottom of the food chain, I become a loser (by Gervais standards) with clueless and sociopathic tendencies. From there, work on side projects and hobbies that will earn more money or increase my status later in life as I achieve mastery in them. This takes time and energy, but what else are you going to do with your life? The dating markets tend to be so skewed against men in so many cases, it's almost not worth it to move to some other country and adopt Islam as your religion just to get chicks to respect you (which they'll then pull an "Asian wife move" on you and try to silently dominate the household once married, as is often the case with AWALT).

So begin with startups. Develop a product/service, develop a team, develop a business. Only hire men, then streamline. Don't be a chicken, allow for your business to be scalable (if you're really ambitious, otherwise stick with the lower sales because you're more relaxed). The Gervais Principle outlines a specific business cycle, which when applied with sexual strategy can be devastating. First you're a sociopath that hires losers, then you create the clueless barrier as your company grows. You're the loser at your day job, the clueless in your spare hobby that likely increases your status to get chicks, and the sociopath in your startup. You grow the startup by exhibiting alpha characteristics and attracting beta followers. Don't get caught up in dick swinging, be caring and compassionate to them as well and try to hook them up with girls you can pull with your hobby.

You become the patriarch that begins to "sell" sex to the betas for their work ethic. Obviously money and equity stake can also work too. Your game will need to be slick in order to pull off selling sex to a beta, but I'm very much interested in this idea and I'll continue to pursue it. Now your business will continue to grow. You create that "clueless" barrier when you begin to hire women into your company. The hot secretary is the sex you're selling to the betas as they walk in the door. Ass distracts men, so don't let her roam the area too much to talk to the guys. A truly feminine woman can be a breath of fresh air to men and can rejuvenate them to perform better. This was outlined with a story in The Way of the Superior Man about hot and cold women.

More women get hired because affirmative action, more bureaucracy gets created, and more incompetence is introduced into your company. Now, you are a full sociopath with enough experience to get people to do what you want. Your company may or may not survive to this point, or it may begin to lose sales at this point. What's important if you've reached this point is to begin to look for someone to buy your company. I personally don't think it's worth it to become a company's CEO. I'd rather just hire an alpha to become my CEO. The key is to put as much distance between yourself and the day-to-day operations of the business. You want your cash flow/income stream, so now it's time to begin again with another startup.

I'm interested in anyone's thoughts or criticisms of this. It's more of an overall vision and ignores much of the day to day practice of running a business. What's fascinating to me is the applicable use of sexual strategy to get what you want in the business world. I'll finish this comment with a story.

When I first joined the company I work at now, I was introduced to the account salesman of one of our vendors that I'd be dealing with a lot. I was beginning to understand Red Pill ideologies and my awareness was awakening. I could instantly tell this guy was one of those Chads we all love. He took me and my colleague out to lunch and told us a story about how he used to pull tons of chicks in college. At one point, he was hanging out with two gay dudes for a period of time because they would have super hot chicks around them. He said that was the hottest ass he fucked during his college days. He also went to a school with a large female population (more promiscuous population/party school). Me, being a young guy, and my colleague, being a 30-something beer-gut dude with a pregnant wife, were being sold on a conversation about sex. This salesman had the potential to get girls. Not that he would throw anything our way, of course, but the very subtle implication that associating with him was good for our sexual strategies was there.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Please make this a new post, it's worthy of discussion.

[–]TheMGhandi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When I read this I lit up like a kid in a candy store. Simply. amazing! His new post should be on the sidebar if it's better than this comment.

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I'm interested in anyone's thoughts or criticisms of this. It's more of an overall vision and ignores much of the day to day practice of running a business

I am quite familiar with The Gervais Principle, I've probably read the whole thing three or four times. So I feel entitled to weigh in here: this comment is brilliant.

You create that "clueless" barrier when you begin to hire women into your company.

PURE TRUTH. You can only afford to hire women into your company once you're successful enough that you can afford to have unproductive workers (HR, etc). There's a reason there aren't any women in the Paypal Mafia: it's because an early-stage startup is essentially a gang. Everyone needs to be pitching in 100%. Since women literally never pitch in 100%, you can only hire women once you're already successful and you can afford to hire people who are going to be less productive than your initial "gang."

That's all to say that I agree: If you want to know when a company's "Clueless" layer began, simply ask them when they hired their first woman.

I personally don't think it's worth it to become a company's CEO. I'd rather just hire an alpha to become my CEO

Now you're thinkin' like a true sociopath.

Alphas tend to be narcissistic, but sociopaths aren't narcissistic at all – in fact, they actively don't want people to know who they are. They don't want their faces or names to be known. Sociopaths want to be perceived as "too far up in the heavens to directly compete with."

So the Sociopath hires a Narcissist Alpha to run the business for him.

The first thing that you realize when you start to interact with a lot of "Natural Alphas" is that they're incredibly easy to manipulate. That's because they tend to be narcissists. And manipulating narcissists is easy as fuck: you just appeal to their narcissism.

I worked a recent job where the dynamics played out like this:

The Sociopath Boss hired a Clueless Narcissist Alpha to be the CEO, and the Sociopath manipulated this guy like a fucking puppet master.

The Sociopath hired a couple semi-cute HB6s to fawn over Clueless CEO, which kept him in a perpetual state of semi-horniness (even though he was devoted to his wife and kids, he spent all day flirting with these women). This was a brilliant decision on the Sociopath's part: by keeping the CEO perpetually aroused, he kept the CEO in a state of perpetual work-horse go-getterness.

Then the Sociopath would strategically give the Clueless CEO raises + prizes + other fundamentally meaningless trophies, and the CEO fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The CEO was working 80-hour-weeks trying to appease his Sociopath boss. Meanwhile, the Sociopath wasn't really doing anything, he was just chilling and learning stuff about how to make more money and manipulate people more effectively.

Anyway, I like your comment because it illustrates how men use sex to manipulate other men. Usually, it's Sociopaths who hire hot girls in order to appeal to Losers and Clueless. It's a fucking obvious move, but no one can see it until they put their "Sociopath"/"They Live" glasses on, begin to seek an "unmediated experience of reality," and then find it. No one can see it unless they are already a Sociopath themselves.

If you're a "Sociopath" (AKA "a smart dude"), hiring hot girls is a brilliant move. People are so afraid of being un-PC that they would never point out how you only hired hot girls in order to attract better male talent. When you're ready to introduce a "Clueless" layer into your company, hire hot girls. No one will call you out on it, everyone will love you for it, and these girls will attract the top Beta Male talent in your industry.

To sociopaths, "beta males are the most valuable resource on the planet" -/u/gaylubeoil


EDIT: In fact, I only exist because a Sociopath executed this strategy. My dad was a Clueless/Narcissist middle manager, and some Sociopath hired a woman into the company. Then my dad, being clueless, married her, and then I was born. The Sociopath's plan worked perfectly: by simply hiring a woman, he manipulated my father into doing a shitload of work for him. And the brilliant part was that my father didn't even realize he was being manipulated – in fact, HE WAS GRATEFUL to his sociopath boss even though his boss was really just throwing him scraps and manipulating him. My dad still hasn't figured it out, and he never will. Clueless gonna clueless.

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Good to see you're back, don't forget you're here forever.

[–]TheKingoftheCrimson3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP needs to stay a place to discuss sexual strategy, first and foremost. The other stuff is fine and useful, but the point of all of this is to learn how to attract and handle women.

[–]RP_WIP6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the "TRP is self-improvement" people are exactly what you said, the newer members. More specifically, people not out of anger phase. The first step in getting pussy is not trying to get pussy. The longer it takes to improve yourself to 'fuckable' status among the hottest of bitches, the easier it is to lose sight of the fact that you walked this path so you could fuck whenever and whoever you want.

Reminds me of gangsta rap. 'Bitches ain't nothin' is a common theme in that music yet no successful gangsta rap star is a virgin...

Edit: phone mistakes

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The thing that gets me is just how fucking stupid it is to judge people as a group, yet so many do it all the time.

TRP is a group of individuals potentially guilty by association so we mostly remain anoynamous. Some of us are unapologetic misogynist assholes and some of us are nice guys trying not to get shit on by life and women. Some philosophers, some meatheads. There is misguided hate and love here. All kinds of men talking in an uncensored place about what maters to us most. Some of it eyeopening, inspirational and some just ignorant bullshit.

Kinda of topic but I was just talking to a couple ladies this morning about how some guy was running game on her, how obvious it was and that you can't fake being a real man with humble confidence.

I mentioned that he probably read some pua on the internet and then we all shared a good laugh about how pathetic those losers are who study game on the internet. Little does she realize that my game was what enabled me to fuck her and then fwb her. I've tried to make her aware of how men are because I do care about her wellbeing but she doesn't listen and says not all men are like you.

On a side note, I can see her game so much clearer now. She's a beautiful singer with multiple projects and has tons of beta dudes running around trying to "help" her. I see her use them and I see them lead her on with her career... I'm the only guy she's ever fucked who didn't completely fall for her and it hamsters her to craziness at times. I also suspect it infuriates other dudes trying for her that I won't claim her as mine but take her when I want. This town is too fucking small...

[–]radicaldreameredward 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

Are you implying that you're humble? Because you're not.

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Hahaha, no, pretty much everyone agrees that I'm an arrogant fuck. But I'm actually a genuinely nice down to earth person as well. We all have many masks.

It use to bother me when people would say I'm over-confident or lack humility but since I've learned to own it and NGAF, I've found that regardless of what people say, my outgoing confidence is actually an asset that draws them to me, as well as making others jealous.

When all of your friends call you devastatingly handsome; everywhere you go the hottest ladies are making eye contact seeking validation; people are constantly commenting on your looks and saying you could be a model AND you're a successful self-taught musician/performer with a penchant for philosophical introspection - It's kinda hard not to become confident.

Humility is really just a matter of learning to keep one's mouth shut and not talking about yourself, but I'm the kind of person that even if I where mute people would still criticize what I say...

[–]RocketManV2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

On multiple occasions in the past, I've had to correct people on this. Like you mentioned, it is the top item the sidebar. What this tells me is not enough of these newer people (and I am new) are reading the sidebar, where the real meat is. Sure, reading posts are a great way to stay in the know, but unless you read the sidebar material you won't have the frame of reference needed to stay relevant.

[–]Redasshole0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I read the full sidebar again during the week-end. I was amazed to discover plenty of ideas that I didn't understand during my first read.

Definitely something you want to check out regularly.

[–]RocketManV0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm currently going through the post about core TRP books, and I've got The Rationale Male lined up. I've read quite a few of his posts, so I was a little loathe to read through them all again. But you're post excited me a little, so thanks for that.

[–]TheSliceman14 points15 points  (23 children) | Copy

I guess Im the only one who comes here for not explicitly sexual-strategy stuff.

I already know 99% of what is being taught on sexual strategy. Im more interested in the DT posts/advice, the career/finance advice/FRs and overall self improvement stuff.

If you want to neuter RP to ONLY talk about women I do not think you are doing the community any favors but whatever.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan21 points22 points  (11 children) | Copy

I'm here for stuff other than sexual strategy myself.

Hell it helped land me a job. I started going into interviews with the DGAF attitude. If I wasn't selected oh well, if I was selected well then I'm the one in control at that point. Also the fact you don't owe your employer any more loyalty than they give you. Always be on the lookout for new opportunities. You'll get your biggest raises by bailing on your current employer and other useful info.

[–]BigAl2657 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Nope, I'm the same way. I don't care about sexual strategy, but I love the discourse on self improvement. I've learned a lot about how to deal with my wife and understand how she thinks, my role in the family structure, how to assert myself. If you want to boil it all down to sexual strategy, then aren't you simply kowtowing to what women want/expect? More power to you if that's your only goal, but there is a lot to be learned here besides how to get into some girls pants. I for one have benefitted greatly from the information here without focusing on sexual strategy, so thank you all for that, even if it isn't the intended goal.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The reality of the situation is that if you can't get pussy then it jumps to the top of your needs/wants list (it's why TRP is and always will focus on sexual strategy primarily since that's how you market it to new members). If you can get pussy then it drops to near the bottom of your needs/wants list (this is the stage where you will see career, business and investment advice coming from).

When you embark on the journey of self-improvement you might initially do it with pussy on your mind. However, as you become a truly successful man you realize that TRP ideals can be applied to all aspects of your life not just getting pussy and that's when the real power shift happens.

Personally I like how TRP juggles both aspects. Yes it focuses heavily on the sex but part of getting sex is improving your life and living situations. Guys with a decent place and a vehicle will find it easier to get pussy than a loser who lives in his mom's basement and has no job.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But it was advice that made you more successful in your endeavors as a man, and your interactions with others as a man.

Not having any sex, or learning to deal with your family/wife is just as much a sexual strategy as trying to bang young sluts.

[–]TheSliceman7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

There is tons of useful info here other than sexual strategy. I dont know why the mod is taking these actions.

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I think he's assuming those who want this sub to be a "self-improvement" sub are using that term as a PC euphemism for "sexual strategy," which isn't necessarily the case. I've enjoyed and learned from many of the posts and comments that aren't directly related to sexual strategy, and I hope they aren't cracked down on. We've got a whole bunch of like minds together here, so why limit the discussion? But that's just my opinion, I know TRP isn't a democracy.

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It's not a democracy, thank the Mods, and they're doing everything they can to make this a viable and beneficial tool for men. It doesn't get any better than that.

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[–]juliusstreicher3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I do-per the mod, nobody is reading the fucking sidebar. Pompous Wankers get on here and chastise people who talk of getting pussy, and say "TRP isn't about pussy, it's about self-improvement .." and, others join in the chorus ad infinitum.

I say: Thank you, Mods.

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[–]TRP VanguardCyralea6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

The self-actualization component of TRP can readily be re-adapted for personal success outside of sex and relationships. That said, sexual strategy is the purpose of this sub. It's worth recognizing that some content may not be tailor-made for your interests.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're welcome to get and give good life perspective and advice from the sub.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why not compromise and find a subreddit or a forum that is devoted to those things?

[–]Meristry 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

Interestingly enough, sexual strategy basically resonates with any other description of the sub. Every step taken, every hand shaken, it all boils down to one thing: reproduction.

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Everything is about sex except sex. Sex is about power

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Interestingly enough, sexual strategy basically resonates with any other description of the sub. Every step taken, every hand shaken, it all boils down to one thing: reproduction.

I agree with this.

[–]Maleden3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

Good meta post, especially about criticisms. However, I disagree with your discounting of self improvement. This place is good for "taking the red pill" and seeing the world as it truly is. This aspect has done wonders for dealing with people and keeping the reigns of my LTR. If you want to focus on just sexual strategies, that makes us little more than PUAs.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

First of all, self-improvement is important, and that's mostly what it's about, but it implies a goal that you're improving to-

For instance, I consider reading on TRP to be just as important as working out. I am improving myself.

But what am I improving myself towards?

One could say, having the maximum number of future options for whatever plans or goals you might make in the future.

I ultimately would argue that everything- job, hobbies, status, fitness, everything comes back to sexual strategy. We exist for that cause.

Now if we simply call this board "self-improvement" we fall into the trap of discussing anything that pleases the feminine imperative as good. We aren't looking to become better cogs in the machine, we're looking to best effect our own goals and desires.

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[–]juliusstreicher-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP, the subreddit, is only about sexual strategy. That is why the sidebar says that it is about sexual strategy, and doesn't advertise as being something else.

[–]Glenbert1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Wait, I thought TheRedPill was simply male self-improvement?

IMO, Seeing the sleep challenge post as the forum's stickied masthead is only going to reinforce that confusion. Last time I read it I really didn't see much that I couldn't find on Fitness, AskMen or whatever.

Just something to consider.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not saying self improvement isn't a component.

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[–]Glenbert0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Just because something is comprehensible doesn't mean it's clear. No one will ever care or spend as much time here as you and the mods. When featured items aren't exceedingly, deliberately and repetitively on-message the result is brand confusion. Getting mad at your audience about it does little to fix that reality of human behavior.

I deal with this crap all the time in my day and night jobs. I actually enjoy the process of stepping outside my own head and understanding how "the average" looks at my output. What I'm trying to do here is share with you how i think "the average" views this place and why that is. Obviously that misperception is an important issue to you guys.

Semi-relevant

Hopefully you'll find what I'm sharing helpful. ...or you can ban me for micro-concern-shaming or whatever.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We work a little different here. If it's not immediately apparent, we encourage you to lurk. User experience be damned.

[–]Hokuto199x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I always find myself glad to see these posts, because they usually call out the behaviors that make me facepalm at how many people are missing the point and to what degree. I start to cringe when I see the phrase "TRP is about" - just stop right there guy.

[–]teeelo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When you start deciding that you don't like certain content because it doesn't fit your narrow definition of "self-improvement" ask yourself who you are trying to satisfy with such a stupid self-censoring.

Golden. Pretty much sums up the foundation for all the critics.

I also think 'critics' is too gentle a word.

[–]disposable_pants1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

A related question: Are Dark Enlightenment/Neoreactionary posts and comments fair game, or are they off limits?

Those schools of thought and the ideas of the broader manosphere have a good deal of overlap, they have similar audiences, and some of the more prominent voices in each are the same guys. However, those groups are not focused directly on sexual strategy. Some of their content that's cropped up on here has been at least tangentially related, but plenty of it is much farther afield.

I'm not for or against it, I'd just like to know what the rule is.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Are Dark Enlightenment/Neoreactionary posts and comments fair game, or are they off limits?

Yes, entirely on-topic.

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Is the entirety of those on-topic, or just the parts directly related to sexual strategy? If a few comments deep a thread starts discussing DE racial politics, for example, is that still in bounds?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Entirely on topic. Nothing has changed about our focus.

I draw the line at blatant racism, but I think class (which is most easily identified as race) has a lot of effect on social dynamics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3iwskm/reading_comprehension_or_the_lack_thereof/

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

[–]Goldfulgore1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is what separates "men's rights" with the core of TRP. The former is a public movement that tries to justify it's way of thinking so it can fit in the female imperative. Though it's noble to fight for our rights, they all behave like a bunch of faggots.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I've been wondering about this lately and I suspect half the problem - i.e. why this sort of thing keeps coming up again and again - is that on TRP, because the men have been taught incorrect roles... once you begin teaching them to become dominant (and as necessary, leaders of their own) they struggle to reconcile the new alpha attitude with following.

I'd compare it to the idea of oversimplifying the role of a troop of soldiers in training. The idea that the cadets or trainees simply can not act alpha and dominant because their role is to submit to their drill sergeant. But what happens when you graduate the academy? What happens if you become squad leader but never become the drill sergeant (e.g. an endorsed contributor) do you challenge the drill sergeant when you think he's wrong? No, of course you don't. That's not your role. It's the role of the base commander (e.g. a mod) to sort out any failings in his officers on the base. You should focus on your own role.

That said, if the group is on patrol and one of the soldiers realises they've left their route... he should be pointing this out to his leader. But there is a particular way in which confident, dominant men can convey this while keeping their role. i.e. they tell their leader what they see and then leave it to the leader to make the command decisions. A leader who causes his troops to unwilling to speak up when they see this is a poor leader and gets far less out of his troops. So the role and responsibilities rest on both sides.

I would compare the Red Pill as a sub to this sort of structure. It does not create cowards who lie back in fear. However it hasn't quite perfected the structure to achieve the best it can from the unit as a whole because the leaders are better suited to training the green recruits, they know what to do with the drill sergeants, but they're not quite sure how to get the best out of the corporals and lance-corporals. I'd say that part of this rests upon the shoulders of those who've learnt a bit and want to contribute something original and help... but they've not learnt how to approach it correctly and respectfully.

One of the things I love about the sub is the full freedom of speech. As /u/RedPillWatchTower says, the policing of language and reframing of the mission is utterly unacceptable in the sub. That's not the call of the squad or the squad leader, it's the call of the commander. That's not to say when they appear to be misinterpreting a piece of intelligence or missing something I shouldn't speak up... that would make me a much less useful subordinate. It's about the approach.

When a man becomes more dominant, he tends to become more challenging. But challenging your commander is not acceptable under any circumstances. The respectful engagement in tactical conversation on the other hand is acceptable. And what's the difference between the two? In the first, the squaddie has decided he's right and tells the commander so. In the latter, the squaddie has a thought that he shares, before leaving the commander to make up his own mind. This is the nuance that a good member of TRP should learn in order to be the most productive member of the sub he can be. It is how male co-operation is maximised. When you show respect and work towards to the best of the group, you'll get respect in return.

After all, I'm not here so much for me anymore. I have my two plates, will probably have a third in the next week or two. I was helped to reach acceptance from my depression phrase by a friend from the sub. So I believe I should give something back. Now I'll just provide advice and guidance where I think I can help. That's my responsibility. The leadership and overall running of the sub is not. That's up to the mod team.

I may or may not make a more detailed post later on how role acceptance for the good of a group is an alpha trait. Alphas adapt to succeed, that's what this sub shows since most of the guys here used to be beta before they adapted. And after all, if you know someone in your group is more knowledgeable than you on a subject the group is working on... you'd be a fool to challenge their leadership.

That's my contribution, judge it how you will. However it's judged, my squad and I will still be lining up behind the commander and his sergeant because that's my role here. To add my two cents then join the final plan, whatever they decide the final plan is.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very insightful, I think you should make a full post.

Another read worthwhile (for onlookers) is "the way of men" by Jack Donovan.

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I think a lot of new guys confuse "alpha" with "peacocking" or "AMOGing". What I've noticed lately is guys with 3 month old alt accounts coming in, declaring that they've lurked on TRP since the dawn of time, then proceed to start telling ECs they don't know what they are talking about.

This is the Reddit version of a guy who spent 3 months at the gym, goes to the local bar, and picks a fight with the biggest guy in the place to try to prove something. Little did he know that the guy he picked a fight with is not only going to kick his ass, that guy is also friends with the bar owner. So now he's got a black eye and is in jail.

That's pretty much how it works here.

[–]Gotmilkyy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm curious, how long was your depression phase? I'm on the cusp of acceptance phase. Mine lasted for like 4 or 5 months. I would have moments of clarity near the end and finally it just happened. It's not like, "Oh it just clicked" but it just "is".

If that makes any sense.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think my depression phase lasted a week or two. It took discussion with a friend in the IRC over the nature of things before I snapped out of it. Rotten times.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 19 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy

Blue pill < purple pill < red pill < mgtow < zen.

That's like, your opinion, man.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

MGTOW is a subset of red pill strategies.

I wouldn't call it better than other redpill strategies. It just depends on what your personal goals are.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think it's a struggle to find reasons why women would be worth it.

Part of sexual strategy is making sure you don't end up dead or behind bars so you can't exercise it.

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I think that's a reasonable stance to take.

[–]tallwheel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's a valuable perspective to bring here. Each one of us here - no matter how much we've determined we want to have sexual success with women - should be actively questioning our motives and determining how far we're willing to go to have sex. It helps to take the pussy off the pedestal. And should the young man end up deciding it's all not worth worth it, then I respect that decision as well. It is his to make.

If that decision of his seems demeaning to our own pursuits of the sacred pussy, then we really should be examining our own motives.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Thank you for your pedantry. My aim was specifically on the topic of this forum. Which I think you understood just fine.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

So are you somehow suggesting that there lies a topic beyond the grasp of being discussed?

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You've really helped bring the quality content, thanks.

[–]tom_salchichom1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't care if sexual strategy sounds bad, or if that makes us misogynists.

Even though there're many ideas that I don't personally share with this community, it should be cristal clear that we should not worry about who we offend.

A statement being labeled as "misogynist" has nothing to do with it being true.

[–]Echelon641 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

teaching men sexual strategy

Which for me as a man is self-improvement. But I agree on people attempting to PC the language here.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, for most of our goals, the red pill is self improvement. But we deviate from your standard definition of self improvement because mainstream society would probaly disapprove of our methods.

[–]elili1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good to know, "sexual strategy" a.k.a getting laid is but a consequence of self improvement, at least for me. apparently I was in the wrong place, even though I found most of the "wrongly placed post" really interesting/helpful.

So what sub talks about self improvement that is redpill oriented? places like everymanshouldknow and the art of manliness can be soft sometimes

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This sub talks about self improvement. It is just not solely self improvement.

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r/TheRedPill is about sexual strategy. The red pill is not. The whole concept comes from the Matrix, where it is about opening your eyes to see how the world is and coping thriving accordingly, as Neo did.

However, being on r/TheRedPill has helped me with women AND with other aspects of my life as well.

That is my take on it.

edit: spelling

[–]_whistler3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you.

[–]justbrowsingkthanks[🍰] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Has anyone taken the red pill premises and expanded them into an overall life strategy?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think there has been a lot of discussion on that, if you search for it. It's still a very relevant topic of discussion.

[–]justbrowsingkthanks[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I will certainly do that. I have an idea in my mind what it would look like and I found TRP because I was saying things similar and it popped up in a google search, and now I'm an addicted new redditer (god damn it), but I wouldn't want to impose my ideas on something if someone has already formalized a system until I dig into it.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Share what you find.

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[–]chwed20 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Regardless, many people (specifically anger stage peeps) think taking TRP means being a dick, under the assumption they'd rather have everything they wanted than to have a conscience.
You won't ever be fucking happy if you behave like this, and its also immensely transparent, won't get you anywhere.

[–]1cover201 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

If being a dick works, then it works. One is free to try it.

Turns out that softening that around the edges, at least, works better.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think when you are totally in control of your frame and environment, you can be a super asshole in the kindest way, so nobody thinks you're a dick, but you get your way.

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[–]musclebound920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Although I am relatively new here, and I completely respect this post and the rules of this sub, I believe that self-improvement is what many of these men need to improve their sex life. A lot of them, are complete losers. I am not in the business of saving people, but I don't like seeing my fellow man get trampled on and walk around defeated, in this ever growing feminist culture. So when we see post like this, they should be respected. As long as the point of the posters message entails at its base level the discussion of hypergamy, sexual strategy, and that AWALT. Some people bring their own agenda here, and it disrespects the sub, and its rules. This can't be allowed, and the structure or Reddit will keep these people down through down votes, etc.

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While the end goal of discussion on TRP is getting laid, I think male self improvement is a very good topic of discussion.

Without male improvement, TRP would just be PUA stuff.

I see it like this: PUA is tricking girls into thinking you are a catch, TRP is actually transforming yourself into a catch.

You can't transform yourself into a catch without improvement.

Attempting to separate male improvement from sexual strategy is a fools game. Better men have more sexual success.

[–]1cover202 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see it like this: PUA is tricking girls into thinking you are a catch, TRP is actually transforming yourself into a catch.

It's not either-or. Who decides whether you're a catch? For purposes of seducing the girl, her opinion is what matters. Understand that what's important to her may not be what you find significant or worthy or important. You may think it's stupid, maybe it's too easy. But it's her opinion and she's entitled to it.

That's not tricking her. It's being effective in interpersonal relations. If that's PUA, then PUA is effective. By the way, doesn't it seem rather silly to spend years in the gym (as some here do) thinking it's the way to get the girl to make that 30-second decision that you're in the fuckzone not the friendzone? It's not either-or, it may help, but man there's got to be a more efficient way to that goal, and there is.

Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but that's the way the world is. And that right there is a red pill.

Sexual strategy is amoral.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

What the shit, seriously. I feel like you've missed something here.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Focusing 100% of our time talking about women and how to get laid seems a little counter intuitive to taking them off the pedestal.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you, /u/redpillschool . You and the other mods have a very tough job because this sub is relentlessly and systematically and sometimes overwhelmingly concern-trolled as you describe.

Thank you for not being swayed by crowds that want to change the central principle.

[–]SwoLean 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy

You're a mod, cool, I guess. You're not any better them the next guy in here.

What irks me the most about this sub is the fact that it's so narrow, no room to question anything. Everything in here must be followed with zero questions or else a person is ostracized. And that's a bit retarded.

Question everything. But, dont nessecarily be a dick. When questions are asked here they are met with resentment, condescending attitudes, and sometimes hatred.

I'm not saying be a bitch, but be open to other view points. Not everything here is scripture, nobody has all the answers. I'd like to see this place evolve.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Question anything and everything. But, when somebody comes in and JAQs off (just a question), questioning everything pedantically like they've got aspergers, it derails discussion and it's a slippery slope to allow because detractors will use those avenues to hurt our focus.

You're always welcome to discuss openly if you're not a dick about it.

Also, I agree, I'm no better or worse than anybody else here- except I am tasked with keeping things focused on this board. And that's what I'll do till the end.

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i knew this was coming, haha. its just funny how many guys here hate on GLO and his recent post. they've completely missed the point and/or just havent done enough reading to really see and interpret his post with RP lenses.

[–]SW9876-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

The problem I have with this is that it doesn't account for intellectual change. Op makes it seem like TRP is pick up artistry, which it is not. TRP is a fundamental change in a man as he starts to understand the world around him and adapt to it. If the goal of the sub was simply, "get laid", the top posts would be advocating hookers and roofies. The goal is to gain awareness and control, particularly over women.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If the goal of the sub was simply, "get laid", the top posts would be advocating hookers and roofies. The goal is to gain awareness and control, particularly over women.

Agreed. This will always be on topic. My goal is to avoid the slippery slope of calling it simply "self-improvement" because it has an implied component to it of trying to appeal to the feminine imperative.

[–]LMS_THEORY_-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm all for sexual strategy, and sub is great, but the 'Internet' definition of rp existed well before this sub, and the one on the sidebar is not in agreement with that definition.

It really doesn't make a difference in the long run, because the info in the sub is more valuable.

Not trolling in any shape or form, just putting the truth out there.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We are talking about the subreddit, not the philosophy.

[–]aenigme-14 points-13 points  (4 children) | Copy

When you start deciding that you don't like certain content because it doesn't fit your narrow definition of "self-improvement" ask yourself who you are trying to satisfy with such a stupid self-censoring.

When you start deciding that you don't like certain posts because it doesn't fit your narrow definition of "the red pill" ask yourself who you are trying to satisfy with such a stupid self-censoring.

See...I can do that too.

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

/u/aenigme: When you start deciding that you don't like certain posts because it doesn't fit your narrow definition of "the red pill" ask yourself who you are trying to satisfy with such a stupid self-censoring.

See...I can do that too.

No, you can't because this is my forum, not yours.

As an aside, does any grown man truly believe snark becomes him?

[–]throwaway-aa24 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

When you start deciding that you don't like certain posts because it doesn't fit your narrow definition of "the red pill" ask yourself who you are trying to satisfy with such a stupid self-censoring.

That's completely ridiculous. It's HIS concept! It's like if I make a forum called the blue chair and the blue chair has certain principles I define, how can you come and say "well you have a narrow definition of blue chair"... I'm pretty sure my own concept of my own creation can't be narrow, and if it is, WHO CARES? You want to go to a dog subreddit, post cat pictures and then go "well you're just mad my cat pictures don't fit your narrow definition of this dog subreddit" as if that makes a shred of sense.

[–]tits_out_forTheBoys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LMAO these analogies are great

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