Synthetic Masculinity

buddhadarko · 2020-08-03T12:49:05+00:00

Excellent post.

For years the masculinity sphere has preached about mindset being the number one thing. Frame. Frame is what it's all about. You absolutely cannot be neurotic and paranoid and also be a stable, sturdy, rock-like man. It's like expecting a flower stem to be as strong as a tree's roots. It's just not the same. The flower stem blows in the wind and in every direction the wind blows. The tree roots do not move when the wind blows.

In America there have been more and more attempts at establishing synthetic masculinity because sitting in a rock with a drink, cigarette, and most importantly a solid, quiet mind, has lost its appeal and meaning here.

Jack Donovan talks about this in his book The Way Of Men. We've evolved in a lot of countries to relying on new era masculinity to define us as men.

cglehosit · 2020-08-03T13:58:32+00:00

Dostoyevsky/Tolstoy: the peasants are the happiest because they are the closest to their labor’s rewards. Their work creates the immediate reward (farming).

It is not nature that gives you the high, nature is coarse and dangerous. It is the direct reward of tangible food, clothing, or shelter from your labor that gives you the high. In other words, it’s harder to be satisfied with weird green cash and direct deposits than with an actual food or product you create.

oooKenshiooo · 2020-08-03T12:45:48+00:00

I had a similar feeling when I was riding a beat up motorcycle across Vietnam. I rode up a mountain pass during heavy rain.. And once I got out on the other side, I was greeted with tropical sun and a view of the pacific. Life was good. :)

changy15 · 2020-08-03T12:36:10+00:00

I agree with this a lot. It’s hard for your mind to reconcile it’s own progress subconsciously when it is constantly being fed input, the problem is that when most people remove those outside stimuli they can’t handle not having it so they create their own stimuli and “live in their head” this has been my problem my entire life but due to recent events I had to get rid of my TV and my computer, I unplugged from social media in high school, and I can feel my own progress in a much more intense way these days. If my current situation was better I think I would feel genuinely good in all aspects, unfortunately I’m struggling with a shit temporary job trying to make ends meet at the moment, but I am thankful I don’t have a woman or kids to pull me away from that.

Tzar_93 · 2020-08-03T13:12:41+00:00

I agree, I, myself am currently on a similar journey. I don’t want to be a manufactured alpha. Someone that has to constantly think “am I doing the alpha thing?” “How does an alpha act” “is this guy more alpha than me?” “Does so so respect me?”

All these things just make me second guess myself constantly and I find myself always comparing myself to people mentally trying to one up them or making myself feel bad.

I’m trying to put aside my ego and find a new level of confidence and control. One that my mind isn’t a part of. One that is a lot more natural

Trollz4fun · 2020-08-03T14:30:05+00:00

Agreed. There needs to be more of a focus on masculinity here vs how to fuck. Y'all are Metrosexual Super Consumers and tax / debt slaves. Try monk mode and become a man before getting your dick wet.

lonewolf2404 · 2020-08-03T13:22:44+00:00

Basically not giving a fuck about life so much, and just enjoy the moment.

GayLubeOil · 2020-08-03T15:25:49+00:00

Real masculinity exists wherever their is a high cost of entry that beta males can't pay or lie their way around.

arakouzo · 2020-08-03T14:22:10+00:00

Essentially, this post is proposing that masculinity is a feeling?

You were sitting on a rock smoking and felt at peace with the world, while doing something kind of rugged, stoic, and manly, and therefore you were masculine in that moment?

I'm all for chilling out sometimes, letting the world go, and basking in how great it feels to just be not-stressed, at ease, and watch the world go by for a little bit. But I don't know if that's the definition of masculinity.

But I definitely agree that people who get neurotic about every word they say to a girl and what books to read every minute have got it wrong. There's definitely something to being very at ease and having that chill mental state when you just talk to a girl about whatever's on your mind that helps to connect with her in that man-woman way. Maybe there's some connection between that mental state and masculinity, but I don't know if they're one and the same.

geoffwithano · 2020-08-03T18:47:28+00:00

The key tenet of being masculine is sacrificing comfort to stay in line with your abstract principles. The ability to sacrifice life and limb for the ideas you support. The ability to ignore pain to reach self-actualisation. Some masculine things you can do would be:
-work out
-give up your vices
-join the military
-become self-sufficient
-hunt
-play sports
-choose long-term relationships over short term affairs and meaningless sex
-read philosophy and theology
-meditate

Metroid_Zard · 2020-08-03T13:19:29+00:00

These other posters really be out here trying to sell books.

chazthundergut · 2020-08-03T15:33:26+00:00

"Elliot Hulse breathing with his balls in an attempt to reach some sort of enlightenment. Anthony Johnson selling soap with a MAGA hat or George Bruno making coffee with chopsticks... none of that made me feel as masculine as being surrounded by friends and nature."

You are well on your way

halfback910 · 2020-08-03T17:28:14+00:00

Well yeah. Natural masculinity is natural. If you asked 99% of Chads why they get laid the way they do they'd say something like this:

30% "Dunno. Just do.

30% "Just lucky I guess."

30% "I work out." Which is closer but only part of it.

All other answers make up the remaining 10%.

We are all effortlessly good at things. If you're lucky you find out what they are and get paid to do them. Chad is really really good at breeding. He is big, strong, virile, can fuck a ton of times, and makes women cum which makes inception more likely. So not only does he have sex more, his sex is more likely to be productive. There are women who are good at breeding too although their focus yields superior quality of outcomes while Chad's yields mostly superior quantity.

The way humans rear and raise young is odd. Biologically speaking your average neolithic family was ten adult males, one of which was the Alpha, one of which waa homosexual and could be trusted to protect the women while the rest were away, a buttload of women, and a buttload of children most of whom would be dead literally within months.

We're trying to make sense of what this means for us today but it's just not straightforward.

Locko_O · 2020-08-03T10:14:41+00:00

booze and nicotin kill your testosterone so that moment wasnt actually that masculine

UnhappyGeneral · 2020-08-03T13:04:22+00:00

I love how you started your post and how you felt better when being on nature. I don't quite like your attempt to conceptualize that.

Did you feel great? Happy for you. Why do you need to put labels of "masculinity" or "alpha" to that?

Let me tell you how your story seems from the outside perspective: an average western guy saved some money, went to a poor country where he finally could be considered rich, got some booze, smoked a cigarette, and felt that he is finally an alpha enough now.

EvelynnSpoiler · 2020-08-03T17:54:44+00:00

Elliot Hulse breathing with his balls in an attempt to reach some sort of enlightenment

The science is clear in that deep-breathing stimulates the vagus nerve and promotes the uptake of GABA, providing an anxiolytic effect that is comparable to xanax. The vagus nerve is the largest nerve in the body and connects the digestive complex to the brain. Most of our brain-chemicals are produced in the gut by bacteria; breathing deep "into our balls" (metaphor) helps the neurotransmitters reach the brain.

RSD tyler went quite a bit into the importance of diaphragmic breathing, and recommended a book called Power vs Force. In one of his training seminars he made some guys shout as loud as they can, while his voice still managed to overpower them as he use the power from diaphragmic breathing as opposed to the force of screaming from your chest.

As for Wim Hof, I shouldn't even need to make much of a point about the madman. The bloke literally climbed most of Everest in shorts thanks to his breathing technique.

It's easy to point fingers at people and call them bullshit because it doesn't seem to work at a surface level, but if you do some digging you'll find that a lot of what Elliott says is spot on.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: breath manipulation is the super-power humanity forgot they possessed.

TheRoad15 · 2020-08-04T03:36:20+00:00

I felt pretty masculine wearing these really gay rainbow knitted socks. They were comfy and styling because I made them cool ;)

Smuggler-Tuek · 2020-08-03T15:57:25+00:00

TRP is a social theory, and a great one. Unfortunately because of bp conditioning most of us come to learn about it the hard way. Something brings us here and a common theme will be a lack of masculinity in our lives, early on and otherwise. Remember not to confuse the normal methods of “swallowing trp” with trp itself.

2020-08-03T17:19:00+00:00

"I think, therefor I am."

The more you visit this sub, the more you think about masculinity and frame and shit tests. Your thoughts will manifest your thinking.

After reading for 5 years with some practice, everything comes naturally.

UndifferentiatedHoe · 2020-08-03T17:10:36+00:00

Internal Freedom. Not needing

TheGweatandTewwible · 2020-08-03T19:55:54+00:00

Hit the nail on the head. There's nothing that annoys me more than alpha bros trying to out-alpha everybody and his dog. It's incredibly clear they have an enormous stick up their ass. Not saying you shouldn't pursue what you want (if you wanna enlighten yourself breathing through your balls, go crazy) but it all comes down to the place it's coming from. Is it coming from a place of anxiety, vitriol or validation? Or does it come easy, relaxed and righteous?

Swimming-Syllabub · 2020-08-03T20:58:08+00:00

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but...

"The night came and I sat on boulders with a drink in one hand and a cigarette in the other", this is textbook Hollywood masculinity or symbolic masculinity. It's supposed to symbolise IDGAF.

You describe masculinity as strength, confidence and inner peace, it's impossible for masculinity to be these things as women can also be and have these things. They are more a byproduct of masculinity.

"So what exactly is natural masculinity? It is a state of mind, it's being stable, level headed, relaxed, smiling in the rubble." Women and children can also be or have this so no. (On a side note you can be masculine and smile in a city).

But I agree with competition being able to nurture your masculinity.

Ash_thearcher · 2020-08-03T21:04:23+00:00

Elliott Hulse used to be one of my heroes, and I guess he still is to an extent, but I’m so let down by his recent content. Every single day for the past year he’s posted the same ig story telling you he has “just a few more open spots” in his “exclusive” king group and that you should pay him 1k to join. It’s straight out of the south park episode, it’s like he turned into a walking talking advertisement.

WIS_pilot · 2020-08-03T21:13:08+00:00

Video games are the biggest killer of masculinity that our generation has seen. You can defend video games all you want, but deep down you know it’s true. It’s a waste of your masculine energy in the same way that watching porn is a waste.

Edit: I do agree with you OP. Just stating a reason that our current generation has become unsettled and neurotic.

Tzar_93 · 2020-08-03T21:15:01+00:00

What an amazing feeling that will be when I get it.

diejager · 2020-08-03T22:31:22+00:00

So what exactly is natural masculinity? It is a state of mind, it's being stable, level headed, relaxed, smiling in the rubble. I see none of that from the new people in this sub, constantly anxious, stressed, paranoid and neurotic.

I take the example of the "alpha buddha" Cory Worthington (that aussie kid that gave the 20 thousant dollar property damage party). For me, that's masculinity in its pure state.

Shankar_ · 2020-08-03T23:38:02+00:00

Wow! Great post and perspective! Thanks!

almosteasy1222 · 2020-08-04T00:31:42+00:00

Love this. You are a human BEING, not a human doing. Be the calm, and the storm.

2020-08-04T00:55:12+00:00

Jesse Lee Peterson is a natural alpha male. check him out if you haven't

SeemedGood · 2020-08-04T03:03:22+00:00

Excellent post.

I would add:

Go take the MSF, jump on a motorcycle, and explore your territory.

SavorThePill · 2020-08-04T03:49:32+00:00

Buddy reaching the same conclusions that Elliott Hulse has already covered but takes the opportunity to bash him in the same post. Deffo some real masculinity with that sort of cheek, partner.

Whisper · 2020-08-04T05:56:41+00:00

So what exactly is natural masculinity? It is a state of mind, it's being stable, level headed, relaxed, smiling in the rubble. I see none of that from the new people in this sub, constantly anxious, stressed, paranoid and neurotic.

"What should I say to this girl? What books should I read? What do these texts mean? What should I wear?"

To understand this, try imagining the difference between managing money if you're one of those guys who reads /r/wallstreetbets vs someone whose family has been running diversified business empire for six generations.

It's not that men don't need to be taught what appropriate behaviour is... it's that in cultures where masculinity is the dominant paradigm, you don't have to seek that information. You grew up saturated in it.

However, the biggest struggle was those new to TRP isn't to learn, it's to unlearn.

And overseeking and overanalyzing guidance is often symptom of lack of confidence, even lack of hope. They're afraid of failure, and so they prepare and prepare and prepare.

Just read a little bit, then try stuff.

Title	Synthetic Masculinity
Author	TheBadGoy
Upvotes	443
Comments	107
Date	August 3, 2020 9:44 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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