Female nature.

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November 18, 2020

Pull this off of a youtube comments no credits to me.

About four years after my divorce I (43m) met a woman (40) and after a year of dating we started talking about marriage. She had a son who was 13 years old at the time. While having dinner after ring shopping one evening we started talking about her son's schooling and where we were going to live. I was still renting a house after my divorce but I wanted to purchase a nice new home for us. The following day she sends me a text saying she wasn't going to compromise on sending her son to a private Catholic high school which is the second most expensive school in our area ($11k a year). This woman made $32k a year before taxes at the time.

I tried to have a conversation with her about how she was going to afford this school. She became irate during the texting conversation. I wasn't completely opposed to the school because I was raised Catholic and also attended a private Catholic high school. My issue was that after we started discussing marriage she was already making financial decisions on her own that were going to affect me. I thought that was completely wrong.

The argument escalated to the point that I told her to come to my house (we lived separate) and get her shit. I was done arguing with her. Now she wants to talk about it. She comes over and I explain my viewpoint, and I tell her. What if for instance, a week before our wedding I show up with a new $125k Porsche? How would that make you feel knowing you were about to marry me and now WE had to pay for this expensive car loan? The light finally went off in her head.

Guys, I'm sorry to tell you this, but many women won't love you. Not the way you want to be loved anyway. They are incapable of loving you the way you love them. They love the idea of the life they will have with you. There are good women out there but there are also a glut of vampires. When you are younger and find love you plan to build a life together. Once over 30 too many are looking for a fix for their failed life; an upgrade to the life they feel entitled to and one which they are not willing to work for themselves.

To briefly wrap up this story we got back together. We got engaged and after she had the ring on her finger she thought she “had me”, she had won. She changed, our sex slowed down, she became argumentative during the house shopping and generally became irrational about where we were going to live and about the small wedding we were going to have. She had issues about the house purchasing and the wedding which made me realize this woman was in this relationship for what she could get out of it. I finally broke it off with her two weeks before the wedding because she hadn't seen me for the prior two weeks because she “didn't want to fight about the wedding.”

These women are out there in vast numbers. They have an internal monologue that differs from how they act. They have a mask on and if you don't see through it you will pay an emotional and likely financial toll. Also in closing, through a twist of fate my ex-wife ended up working in the same building as my ex-fiance shortly after we separated Those two started talking. I need to mention that my ex-fiance lived with her parents. They had a large home and it just made financial sense for her to live with them. Anyway, my ex-wife sends me a photo of a text message where my ex-fiance tells her that I was just a means to an end. She wanted a house and I was getting us one. WTF right?

My takes.

Learn female nature and how they operate and you will naturally alpha.

If you want more of these post, let me know. You need to condition your mind, to truly become redpilled.

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Title Female nature.
Author 4ktx
Upvotes 779
Comments 139
Date 18 November 2020 07:54 PM UTC (5 months ago)
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[–]SaneSiamese517 points518 points  (61 children) | Copy

She comes over and I explain my viewpoint, and I tell her. What if for instance, a week before our wedding I show up with a new $125k Porsche? How would that make you feel knowing you were about to marry me and now WE had to pay for this expensive car loan? The light finally went off in her head.

Not in the way he thinks. The "light went on" in the sense that she realized the guy was serious about dumping her ass. So she mentally postponed the private school discussion until after the wedding.

I don't understand the mindset of marrying a single mom who is too old to have your kids.

I don't understand the mindset of paying major expenses for another man's child.

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (41 children) | Copy

When I was 19 I was hooking up with a single mom broad (same age) and thought if I had a LTR with her I would raise her kid as my own. Fortunately it didn't last long. After a few more failed relationships I am thinking I'd get a DNA test if I had children because you never know. It amazes me how divorced guys fall again for it, it's like their conditioning is too strong

[–]Domebeers80 points81 points  (36 children) | Copy

one of my friends just bought a house to live in with a girl who is his age (31), who has a 12 year old kid. And the guy is such a fucking simp he's paying for this kids shit. Buying him toys, paying for his hockey lessons, that type of shit.

It's amazing how badly beat down some guys are. That they would do that for some used overage pussy is just mind boggling.

[–]red-reality81 points82 points  (9 children) | Copy

I think it stems from their mother's teaching them to comply or they won't be loved. Most mothers raise their sons this way to some degree.

[–]1426kils63 points64 points  (5 children) | Copy

"A generation raised by women." I learned at a young age to always seek out brotherhoods. From sports, debate, college clubs and career. Stick with brotherhoods. They are out there, formally or informally, and a huge advantage to my life.

[–]electricspresident6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Sadly it's hard to find brotherhoods once you are past 25. You gotta hope you get a decent bunch of friends that share similar values

[–]1426kils5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I should have also mentioned reading as a source of brotherhood. My grandfather got me reading at a young age. My grandfather is competitive, aggressive, curious about life and loves building things, sports and self-improvement. Reading books he recommended to me kept me connected to a manly way of thinking as a kid even though I grew up in a girly household. My father is a bit of a pussy, religious nut, introverted, autistic, homebody, good guy but values theology over building things on planet earth. I was raised by two girls really. Reading good books is like having sit downs with great big brothers. You'll be surprised how quickly you become someone who needs to keep a book with him.

[–]Immediate_Program_983 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Are there any particular books you could recommend to me? I want to read some more masculine stuff as well that isn't just related to picking up chicks.

[–]_-resonance-_9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bam. Peanut butter and jam right here.

[–]kassius0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What if the guy actually likes the kid - is that beyond reasonable? Do you think it’s impossible to love someone else’s children without being a simp?

[–]red-reality0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's possible for a man to love anyone but don't discount the social ramifications of a man taking care of another man's woman and children. Even if the man loves the child and the woman, there will always be thought in the back of everyone's mind, why is he doing this? Why can't he go out and find his own young bride and have his own kids? And the especially the woman will always, no matter what, feel like the man who is taking care of her now is lesser than the man who she had the kid with. Society certainly lies to all of us and tells us, be the bigger man! Raise another man's child, that's the honorable thing to do! But at the end of the day, they're convincing men to be cucks. But sure, any man can love any child or any woman.

[–]4ktx[S] 11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy

he ain't beat down, low options = desperation.

[–]InMyFeelsThrow15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

Any dad who leaves their child is scum

[–]1319Skew22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yea. Life's not that black and white there bud.

Some times things come up that prevent you from being with your child. This isn't Disney, and some children go without a father because the mother, society, family, finances, has made being around impossible or impractical.

My own Ex tried to get me in trouble with the law to have me lose custody. Things like how I knew people in Highschool who were in trouble with the law meant that I had criminal connections.

Also there were some drummed up charges for assault that she decided to bring out of existence from a verbal disagreement I had with her 5 years ago where I put my hands on her shoulders to calm her down when she was tearing shit up and screaming like a banshee.

There are dead beat dads for sure but you'd be amazed at how many of these guys have a story. Most men would love to spend time with their kids. Out of the countless single fathers, I'd say only one confided with me that he wishes he wasn't a father and hated being there.

[–]acoltismypassport11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would honestly posit that more than 90% of so-called 'deadbeat dads' are actually half decent, average guys, if not legitimately good men that got divorce raped/nexted in favour of a bigger, swinging dick.

My own father, who I have never met, is supposedly one of these deadbeat dads. Let's just that say since my red pill awakening some ten years ago, I have begun to doubt whether my mother's assessments of him are entirely true, if not completely false.

[–]kayne20001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not that simple

[–]Ftpiercecracker124 points25 points  (4 children) | Copy

Just learned the other day someone I knew married a woman with 4 kids. And this person I know is an engineer, good dude, football captain, Chad, 6'2" type guy. Fuckin bananas.

[–]cutt886 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Tell me you're joking, please.

[–]Ftpiercecracker15 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wish I was. Im hoping she is a widow. Husband passed in an accident, kia solider or something like that and all the kids are from their marriage. That's the only circumstance that I could/would ever consider a single mother as marriage material. But still 4 kids is one hell of an ask.

[–]electricspresident2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's not . It's incredibly common. Idk about now but if you went to instagram any of the last 3 years you would see big time Chad's marrying up 25+ yo hags whose skins have taken a beating from all the alcohol and drugs over the years

[–]InMyFeelsThrow24 points25 points  (11 children) | Copy

Here’s the problem though. If there isn’t guy’s like that who are willing to bite the bullet and take care of the kid, then the kid might become a mess. Kids need a father figure, and it sucks having a deadbeat dad who leaves. Having no father figure sucks and has horrible effects, trust me I know, which is why I plan to adopt when I’m way older.

[–]Rock_Granite31 points32 points  (9 children) | Copy

Here’s the problem though. If there isn’t guy’s like that who are willing to bite the bullet and take care of the kid, then the kid might become a mess.

Well, good luck with that. Go ahead and wife up a single mom and let us know how it works out.

[–]InMyFeelsThrow14 points15 points  (8 children) | Copy

I never said I would do it. The problem is that we have a very tough problem in society with no good answers. These kids need a good father figure, however due to circumstances many kids only get either a mother or a father

[–]DeputyDomeshot26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you. I’m not about it myself but it’s wrong to shit all over some dude who is actually being a dad to a kid who doesn’t have one. This is where some of this “theory” falls apart. Kids ain’t the ones to blame here

[–]NormalAndy9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Interestingly, “hard times breed strong men.”- but also many fuck ups and suicides. Women are there to fuck the winners while ‘the machine’ crunches the losers up and turns them into useful idiots.

Rescuing a loser isn’t a bad choice but I suspect it makes little difference to society and is less satisfying and effective than growing your own.

In the same way as it’s kind of irritating to spend huge amounts of money re-educating refugees from the middle east to fill the gaps in population and pension contributions when we could have been more efficiently building families ourselves to operate at a higher and better level.

War, discrimination in race and sex, poor social policy and allocation of funds- the government is a curse.

[–]RacerxCC9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Get rid of the incentives of being single moms.

Snap ebt etc etc.

Or at least ban having extra children once on those programs.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agree. Stop paying these hoes to break up families.

[–]Dls9540524 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

The answer is women need to stop being such fucking vampires to men. Period. They're crashing civilization and the family unit.

[–]urbanfoh2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its been weak men who allowed that to happen.

If the last 4 generations of men weren't so naive about women, we wouldn't have that problem.

[–]Rock_Granite5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

You are right about that my Reddit friend. Sadly the courts mostly favor the women and they mostly don't care whether boys have a father involved.

[–]InMyFeelsThrow5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very true. The court system is awful. In fact, I’m watching my uncle get fucked over by the courts because of his awful wife right now. It’s really sad

[–]blackstreetxy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are fucking geniuses. They fuck Chad, and Larry takes care of the children. So Chad and Stacy genes propagate.

[–]ImProbablyHighh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Or maybe he is a genuinely good human who values a child’s upbringing?

What good is money with no one to share it with

[–]old_ex_commie23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

I ... thought if I had a LTR with her I would raise her kid as my own.

Ah, yes. The Romantic Myth. I, too, was a victim. I had two, she had two. I had this dream of us merging into one big, happy family.

Uh, no. I was never allowed to be a father to her two. One is now a career criminal who can't stay out of prison more than a few weeks at a time. The other is married to an SJW who never lets him ever be a man.

That's the Reality of "raising her kids as your own." She'll never allow it.

[–]redknightcrusader2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bingo. Being a stepfather is the hardest job in the world.

[–]shaggy14523 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bro i was fucking a lady regularly for a while. when we started talking online she said that she only fucks if her husband is fucking too, she has two kids and won’t cheat on him. I somehow swing it so that she would just fuck me and not tell her husband about me, without even trying to convince her. I would have been fine giving her the pipe while her husband watches,Like.... they were swingers, she had a free pass to fuck me anyway, and yet she still felt it necessary to cheat on her husband with me. It was one of those things that I didn’t think much of at the time but made me think later on in life

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's crap. Why marrying if you're going to fuck other people even if it's supposedly consensual. And what she did only shows that kind of "arrangements" are a slippery slope for mayhem. After been cheated on and having women cheat on their SO with me I can't help but have zero trust in women I date

[–]red-reality19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy

There is this guilt built in to western men, they feel they are obligated to marry women, as if it is owed to them. If a woman can't be happy living with you and needs the government to be involved, it's not about your relationship with her she cares primarily about, but her desire for power and control.

[–]Noitrasama9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Not only in western men. It's all over the world. Even in Africa

[–]Remarkable0031 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Africa, as in whole continent or the kind of big rich countries?

[–]myzt4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

There are no big rich countries in Africa.

[–]Thinkingard6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

I guess even 40s men can fall for women and think she may work. He has to stamp any possibility of marriage out of his mind at that point. Also, depending on his strength of character and holding frame, she will manipulate him into feeling guilty about abandoning her and her family. It is beyond me why any man in his 40s and older would want to marry, to me, marrying and having kids is a 20s and 30s game. By the time you're in your 40s you should already have some kids and a divorce.

[–]dopexile5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

A woman has fun in her 20s and 30s, has kids with Chad, now she is 40 right before she hits the wall and her looks fade. Living with her parents and working a menial low pay job.

Now it's time to sign a long-term marriage contract with beta bucks and to raise my kid, buy a house, and fund an expensive wedding. Stop having sex and make irrational demands. If it doesn't work out then you can just divorce, take half, keep the house, and get paid alimony.

It is like selling a stock when the price is the highest right before bankruptcy. Sounds like a great deal for the woman.

Seriously, why are men in western society trying to force things to make this work? Stop falling for fairy tales. When your grandparents and parents got married they lived in a different culture and different world. Today the culture provides no benefit for a man to get married. Just bang and have fun.

[–]blackstreetxy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bang and have fun? These skanks have like a million stds on them. You know that, right?

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know how he can get it up for a single mother.

[–]phoenixlove040 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I don't understand the mindset of paying major expenses for another man's child.

You marry someone you marry there child. If you married someone who had a kid then had another kid with that person would you treat your kid better? I bet you would you're so selfish.

[–]sgtm7-4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy

  1. He was 43 and she was 40. If man is 43, there is a good chance he doesn't really care about having children.
  2. If the father isn't in the picture(for whatever reason), if you raise them, then they are your child. Or as my mom use to say(who was actually my "step" mother, but I never called her anything but mom, because my biological mom died when I was a toddler), "If you feed them long enough, they start to look like you." My daughter, although not my biological daughter, remains my daughter to this day, more than 19 years after I divorced her mother. She calls ME daddy, not the sperm donor that impregnated her mother.

Love between a parent and a child does not (and should not) depend on biology.

[–]tempolaca1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

If man is 43, there is a good chance he doesn't really care about having children.

Why not?

[–]sgtm72 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Based on 2017 data, the average age for men to have children is 30. Men don't have a "biological clock" like women do, and can father children well past the age that women would even be able to. So although I haven't seen any surveys asking the question, the data regarding average age of fatherhood, would indicate that men are not having children at older ages. The are perfectly capable of doing so, but they aren't. Which leads me to conclude, the majority of men over 40 don't want to have children at that age.

[–]tempolaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's sums up my life. I'm perfectly capable of having children, but I aren't.

[–]1arakouzo132 points133 points  (0 children) | Copy

This lady was very literally waving her gold-digging flag in this guy's face and flaunting it.

When she says, "I make 32000 a year, before taxes, and intend to send my son to an 11000/year private school", she is literally telling him, "One of the reasons I am marrying you, and as a condition of our marriage, I expect you to pay 11000/year to send my son to private school".

There is no other way to interpret this. There is no generous way. She very blatantly expressed an expectation that he would be purchasing this private school education she could not afford as part of their marriage arrangement.

He was about to dump her, so she stopped fighting for that and figured she'd just shut up, get a house, get a fancy wedding, and probably get the private schooling for her son too as long as she bided her time. But she still couldn't control herself and kept blatantly making her money-seeking clear to him. Directly and overtly.

She even recognized this about herself and decided a month before the wedding to completely stop seeing him, because if she had to spend another two weeks with him she'd out herself. And she honestly expected to just vanish and stop seeing her husband-to-be for a month then show up at the wedding and he'd marry her.

This woman literally could not hide her bad intentions. She was waving them in front of the guy. The guy probably thinks that the fact that it took him longer than 30 seconds to recognize what going on is kind of funny in hindsight.

[–]tropicislandexplorer238 points239 points  (7 children) | Copy

That guy's lucky he got closure in the form of a screenshot text message. Most of the time you're 90% sure she was shady, but there are always moments when you think "what if I was wrong, what is she was "the ONE"?

Women are pros at making you think that YOU'RE the asshole.

[–]SatyaNi46 points47 points  (0 children) | Copy


The sad truth, and it’s good to hear.

Take my upvote.

[–]JakeMullerRE33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy

So true.

Just check out the convos on the askwomen subreddit, the crazy high number of women who are uncapable to take any sort of responsibility for their own decisions and actions and all these enabling white knight men.

This is brainwashing by media at its finest.

[–]MRPTriangle7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

"what if I was wrong, what is she was "the ONE"?

That's just the thirst talking. You never have those conversations with yourself after you've hit a 1-rep max, that's why lifting is so important. You're using your body as-intended and everything else snaps in line.

[–]sinfulthep10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

You’re weak if you fall for that shit. That bitch sent up 1000 red flags. OP is bluepilled and if you’d let a woman move in with you just because she’s fucking you, then so are you

[–]tropicislandexplorer2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You speak the truth! I'm not quite to your frame of mind yet, but someday.

[–]sinfulthep2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m genuinely praying for you

[–]woodie_wood69 points70 points  (1 child) | Copy

You lost me at 40 year old woman.

[–]dopexile17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. That is a high mileage hooptie car with lots of wear and tear. Borrow it as a rental car and have fun, but don't buy it long term or you'll be stuck with all its problems.

[–]bottomLobster43 points44 points  (0 children) | Copy

Scary story! But kudos for the guy dodging a bullet like that, I hope he got the Porsche in the end.

[–]PepinoSF21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy

Golden post!

They love the idea of the life they might have around you. Thats the whole point. Valid for 90% of the bitches

[–]burn-all-bridges32 points33 points  (2 children) | Copy

And we are the big bad misogynists for realizing it and discussing it. Since we clearly want to manipulate to have sex 😂

I honestly am frustrated about this thought. I guess educating myself is all I can do to help it. Yeesh...

Hope everyone is having good luck staying in frame.

[–]blackstreetxy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Skanks toss around the word “misogynist” to guilt trip you into their victim hood agenda and to do what they want without any accountability.

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (3 children) | Copy

area ($11k a year). This woman made $32k a year before taxes at the time.

good lord. this was disgusting.

if this women was lil smarter and had better game she would lock down perfect BB (op) and this guy was too stupid, how can you manage to set yourself up for another divorce rape? he got really lucky...

[–]1empatheticapathetic19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

It’s kinda like a filter for them. She’s only gunning for the guy who is actually dumb/submissive enough to not notice such red flags and acting this seemingly stupid is a good litmus test. It’d be pointless to use the mastery she may he capable of get him in the marriage just to find out he had boundaries all along and will just aim to divorce immediately.

[–]1pointtwentyone4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s like the opposite of a shit test. They want a guy that who’s frame will collapse and do anything she wants.

[–]MGTOW544 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read that spammers actually make the spam obvious! so the actual person that replies is the 0.1% of persons that believe anything and then so easy to manipulate.

It's a bit like that here where she makes it so obvious that he is there to pay for her son that only a simpleton would go with it. She thought 'he is exactly what I'm looking for'!

[–]Domebeers33 points34 points  (4 children) | Copy

great post, or at least good on you for copying the comment.

I'll tell a quick story. Me and my brother are both single, so we lived together in a house (we owned). We lived like that for a while, but the other month he bought a house and so I'm in my house alone now, getting lonely.

So I do what anyone would do, I fire up the old tinder, and like an idiot i put "empty house is too quiet" as my bio. You know where this is going. I meet a few chicks, take a liking to one and start seeing her. I'm banging this girl for about 2 weeks when she hits me with "Can I move in? You can rent me a room in your house..."

Women are predators. Keep that in your mind at all time. It doesn't mean you have to go like the goofs on whereareallthegoodmen or the other women hating forums, but it does mean you need to have your wits about you.

[–]King_Neptune0725 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy

Who cares? Keep that in your Tinder bio. When they ask to move in, next.

You'll keep getting pussy from these chicks trying to get a place to stay.

[–]MGTOW5412 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

LOL, good angle to work. Dangle the possibility of free accomodation. That girl that said she'd actually pay for a room, don't expect that cash to continue after the first month if she's in your bed.

[–]Nakedwitch581 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

how did she react when you said no?

[–]Rock_Granite15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

About four years after my divorce I (43m) met a woman (40) and after a year of dating we started talking about marriage

Dude, you have to vet these women for WAY LONGER than a year. I wouldn't be marrying anyone without dating her for 3-4 years first. Anyone can hide the crazy for a year or two.

[–]satellite7792 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

OP is not the author, he copied it from youtube

[–]Rock_Granite0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh THAT's what his first line meant. I see that now but had no idea what he was talking about.

[–]MRPTriangle1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

If it's taking you 3-4 years to vet a woman, you suck at vetting. Put her in situations where she has the opportunity to be crazy, and she'll take it or she won't. The psychopaths out themselves on the first outing usually, because in the right situation, it feels better to be crazy and risk exposure than it does to keep faking it.

The other side of that coin is if you can't hold frame, every woman is crazy, and if you can hold frame, most women will behave themselves if they're at all capable. It's in their nature to find the walls of their container and expand to fit it, and the process of finding out where the boundaries are is extremely chaotic and unpleasant to be around. If you never drop frame, the boundaries are clear and well defined, women feel safe, and they're generally very happy in that environment. As soon as you drop frame, they have to find what happened to the walls of their container and the shit tests get much worse, and much more frequent, and it'll take a long time to recover from that.

What should you take away from this? You need to understand how to hold frame and you need to practice until nothing surprises you anymore. Some guys do that by banging a conga line of chicks, some guys do it in an LTR, some guys do both, but the bottom line is you have to practice.

[–]Rock_Granite7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do some reading in r/Deadbedrooms. You will see that a longer vetting time works wonders. Besides what's your hurry to get married. If she's into you she'll wait. But if you wanna wife her up after a year, go right ahead. Let me know how it works out.

In any event, 4 years worked well for me. I've been married for decades and things are good at my place.

[–]pieredforlife27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy

The following day she sends me a text saying she wasn't going to compromise on sending her son to a private Catholic high school which is the second most expensive school in our area ($11k a year). This woman made $32k a year before taxes at the time.

first and most obvious red flag. if a woman cannot handle money rationally, you will be deadweight to you.

[–]wrong_assumption0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What? Can you explain?

[–]pieredforlife0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do the math. 30% of post tax salary will go to children’s education.

[–]ToraChan2310 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Once I learned to think like a woman, which is understanding that they will do whatever is in their best interest in whatever moment they’re in regardless of others/consequences, I stopped having problems with them

[–]cjunc20138 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Thanks for this share. Separated right now and need to keep my mind on the fact that even if I replace my “wife”.... same shit will happen if I don’t alpha that shit and red pill moving forward.

Ps wife cheated on me for a better provider that was confirmed to beat his kids at one point... I got two small ones. I’m furious.

[–]RPDream4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well done for dumping the bitch! Life is gonna be much brighter now, trust me.

[–]akzunamoon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Enjoy all your quality time from now on.

[–]Philosophipster8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

It always feels like an ‘us (RP) vs them (BP)’ story in the comments. Try to recognize that it’s a spectrum.

Not everyone is 100% BP or RP. Sometimes it’s hard to let go or concepts like marriage, even if your brain tells you: this is bad for you.

Simple exercise that might elucidate my point: fold your arms as if you’re being defensive. Then unfold then and fold them again, but this time the other arm on top. This might feel weird.

That’s cuz it’s a habit for everyone to have 1 way, a preference. Training yourself to do it reversed will takes ages to get used to. And this is just simply folding arms.

BP vs RP is kinda similar, most of us, if not all, started BP (folding our arms normally) and then learn (at our own pace and cost) how to do it the other way around (BP). Some days or weeks or years you might still fold your arms normally, without being fully aware of it. As long as you keep practicing with RP principles, you’ll get there.

Tl:dr: Tough luck with the marriage mindset, but kudo’s on spotting and confronting the predatory nature.

[–]bloodshot_eyes9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is just solid 24k gold. I want to highlight one of the most important take-aways:

too many are looking for a fix for their failed life; an upgrade to the life they feel entitled to and one which they are not willing to work for themselves.

Pay attention to this gents. ESPECIALLY if you're a "late bloomer" who is suddenly receiving interest from women now that they're financially successful. Women in their mid to late 30s and beyond are incapable of pulling themselves out of their ruts, and look for someone to do it for them. Don't be a woman's pension plan. Don't be a woman's section 8 housing. Don't be a woman's food stamps.

[–]zino1937 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

She fucked up for thinking you can take the pushing.

Now convince a RED PILL MAN - with capital letters, a real man - that his italian feminine girl that knows how to keep her mouth shut is looking for the life not the man. Easy to see it from a SE asian wife import - not as easy when talking about a red pill mid-western wifey.

Women are made to nest. Her romantic ideal is not a person - but a husband, a father, a protector, a income source. You are not human for a woman - especially one that loves you, that needs you, that looks at you like a man.

Until you accept that unavoidable fact - you aren't actually red pill - you're just talking politics, culture war, values and all that drivell.

We are made to objectify one another. Women are healthy and beauty object - men are value and status objects. The monkey doesn't talk values, commonalities or retirement plans - why do you expect your relationships to be based on something more ethereal?

Because if you do - you are biting the nurture constructivist argument and fundamentally arguing for: attraction is a choice.

[–]we_out_here_12312 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey man I barely joined this sub, so seeing stuff like this amazes me how y’all really can see through this shit with the right mindset. I’d want to see more of this my guy

[–]hiktaka6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good write OP. It's as if there are no enough sidebar warnings about single-mom-with-rotten-pussy's marriage trap.

[–]prettydirtyboy5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh I was about to go in on you but the guy who originally wrote that comment is an idiot for talking about marriage after a year of dating, jeez I get you’re old but yikes. At least he came out of it at the end, guy was so close to the beginning of the end of his life

[–]MGTOW541 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Woman was 40, kid 13, that means got pregnant at 26, the Chad era. Now looking for a beta to pay for her child's education. Willing to do anything for that. Quite admirable in a way. Still a man-trap though. Guy dodged a bullet.

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[–]BurningOrangeHeaven12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

Once over 30 too many are looking for a fix for their failed life; an upgrade to the life they feel entitled to and one which they are not willing to work for themselves.

Turning 29 soon like...

[–]DeputyDomeshot4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Lol bro you can still chase early mid 20’s for the next decade.

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Just seemed funny to me like here comes crazy town

[–]DeputyDomeshot1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I just lie depending on how or young I should be given the situation

[–]gadogadocabe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What are you guys talking? OP clearly is referring to women, not men

[–]Thinkingard6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

My thoughts on this, assuming all of it is true. Were women always this predatory? I want to believe women are becoming more predatory in their 30s/40s because of student loans and the general lag of the economy. They have to bootstrap the only way many of them know how, by wed-locking a successful man they can stomach (hamstering that all couples have less sex overtime anyway). One blessing for redpill men is they should see this behavior before they fall into her trap. I think the general decline of female morality makes it harder for women to keep the charade up like women in the past were probably capable of.

The other thing is, if you have enough money to give a woman a little taste of the good life, and make her dream, you can have the pick of whatever you want, so long as you know you can (almost) never settle down.

[–]4ktx[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

They always were. History books say so.

[–]strikethrough1233 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

It’s either she’s a gold digger or a goal digger.

[–]thewrightstuff883 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are all about procuring as much resources as possible. They don't care that you are being kind to them, taking care of her and whatever spawn she managed to have with another man. All she wants is security and stability when her responsibility increases (having a kid). Like they say, men love women like women love children like children love puppies. She will never love you like she loves her child and will do anything to secure their success, even if that means draining every penny a man has, and then she will step on his throat on to the next man when you become "useless" in her eyes.

[–]SatreidesW3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think this is actually a case of female nature but one of failure in dispute resolution between two rational actors, at least in the beginning.

During talk of marriage, what's supposed to be a romantic partnership and foundation for healthy family relations, discussion about purchasing a house arises. This apparently brings in the woman concerns about the type of schooling her child will receive, an issue she states she will not compromise on.

One question to ask is why the house the man wants to purchase would bring forth this sort of strong reaction from the woman?

That said I do feel sympathy with the man here as well. A woman shouldn't be seeking to make unilateral decisions regarding finances that she did not earn herself. Manipulating others is wrong.

Many older people with children will often put their child first when it comes to decision making, even beyond romantic relationships. I believe this is true for many men and women. This is why I'm not convinced that the first part of their disagreement is reflective of female nature.

Something about house shopping, or house location, seems a serious sticking point for this woman.

One would need more information to judge weather she her behavior was truly irrational in context of the life situation.

It might be worthwhile for all of us to cut back on the prejudice and confirmation bias in order so that mistakes are less likely for everyone :)

[–]rpbb99991 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're right, he should have bought her a big house, and paid for her kids private education

[–]Fun-Guy212 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck bro, he dodged a bullet big time!

[–]chicagobourbonbeer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post. Divorced on this end as well. Thank God you called off that second wedding.

Appreciate the insights - thanks for sharing.

[–]1426kils2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

"internal monologue" that drives how they act without feeling the need to always align that monologue with reality. Well said.

[–]DeputyDomeshot1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I sometimes doubt people have these at all. Some people are too simple or they just “keep themselves busy” to distract from any kind of deep self reflection.

[–]G0rv2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

but many women won't love you

You're not stretching this far enough.

No woman can love you when they have a child. A woman only loves her children.

Even before thay have a child it is valid to question if the woman is capable of loving a man.

You are a utility.

[–]1319Skew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man I'm glad that you didn't marry her.

[–]SacredCacti4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bro by the way that school price is fucking cheap for a private school! My brother and I school fees for high school was around 30,000 dollars each per year. So 60,000 usd for the both of us

[–]fyp20171 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry to say dude, but that first argument that you had kinda said it all. You should've broke it off completely then. Always trust your instincts. The fact that it escalated to you wanting for her to take her shit and leave, there's a really good reason it got to that point for you. At that point, it's 1000% not about you at all but all about her. But luckily you made the right choice in the end. That was a fucking train wreck in the making. Plus, why do you even want to get legally married at this point in your life? Just date her and enjoy your life. There are Zero benefits to marriage for a man in today's world. Just ask any divorce attorney or family court judge. We get marriage raped every single fucking time.

[–]MGTOW542 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wise words. 40+, don't get married.

MGTOW, no Marriage, no cohabitation, the only two rules.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely do post more of such eye-openers. Time to learn the most important life lessons from other people’s experiences.

[–]brngamer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Essential reading. Keep them coming.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I despise by Chaotica


[–]mikesteane1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anyway, my ex-wife sends me a photo of a text message where my ex-fiance tells her that I was just a means to an end.

Intentionally sent so that it would get passed on to you. It was an insult because of her wounded pride.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

an upgrade to the life they feel entitled to and one which they are not willing to work for themselves.

That perfectly describes my ex-wife. Almost feel sorry for her new richer husband (almost).

[–]Lion_Of_Mara1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The ex-wife still looking up for him.

[–]0O00OO0O000O1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That lady was clearly a materialistic bitch.

But let's recognize that she does NOT represent all women.

It's unfair to make broad generalizations about a group of people.

[–]DonsPosting1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Way too much entitlement. What’s the difference between a woman who sells herself as a means of income and a woman who sells herself for a wedding ring? Quick answer - true prostitute is more honest.

[–]Trollz4fun3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fuck you. Fuck redpill. And fuck my life. Why time and time again do I have to swallow this shit. Why the fuck do I meet a great girl just to find out AWALT. Cheating bartenders, to educated Masters degrees, AWALT. Why couldn't I have been gay or aborted.

[–]DeputyDomeshot12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bro youre in an early stage. What you need to find out now that knowledge of this is power and you CAN take control and manage these situations to your benefit with just some practice.

Don’t hate the game, learn the game and learn to play the cards you’re dealt to the best of your ability. Life ain’t fair but you can adapt. Stay strong.

[–]MGTOW541 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women's natural tendency is to monkey-branch. Just understand that your girlfriend or even today's wife's loyalty really is just temporary. Don't have a breakdown when you discover the truth, take it in your stride. My girlfriend from 22 to 28 was on the cock carousel, which is the female version of 'spinning plates'. I just didn't know it. Blue pill then,being used, life on the plantation, (too trusting), not now! Wise up, sucker!

[–]baltimorecastaway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are all too right in your assessment of many of the women in today’s arena. Your thoughts are rational all too realistic. Bravo.

[–]BastaHR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, women just adore small weddings.

[–]yes_kid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For once, this was a good post.

[–]sawyer941170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The sad thing is self-awareness is largely off the table. That would suggest that they may have something to do with it. By and large men played a father figure -- by providing and protect. Women, in turn, played the role of the child, to be protected and cared for. That is when they feel the most feminine. Also since they can attach themselves to a winner and, by proxy, enjoy many a benefit it leads to magical thinking that that can work at the macro level.

Basically it'd be like having sled dogs that had been bred and trained for generations to mush. And then a chihuahua enthusiast saying half of sled dogs should now be chihuahua. And when this arrangement predictably fails, habitually blame the sled dogs. Sure it was your idea but why should you accept any blame?

And to the last line I'd say removing the conditioning is more key.

[–]Punstatostriatus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is not even confined to romantic relationships. My mother made a drama because she wanted me and my partner and kids to live with her. All because all around her there were people who live that way. Like a child, she wanted things other have. Of course she had no bargain card so she could bite me.
But there are not that bad women out there. It all depends on personality type, upbringing and your relative status to her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Insane story man good job getting out of there. A woman that's 40 and a single mom is that way for a reason. And the even more messed up part in all this, she'll probably never think she did anything wrong in this situation. She'll literally reflect back on this and think you were the crazy one.

[–]frankreyes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My issue was that after we started discussing marriage she was already making financial decisions on her own that were going to affect me. I thought that was completely wrong.


Anyway, my ex-wife sends me a photo of a text message where my ex-fiance tells her that I was just a means to an end.

My ex GF, she did not care about anyone but herself. She wanted a family and I was her sperm supplier

[–]JedYorks0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

They only want tall good looking guys this shit is all cope besides lifting and bettering yourself. A bitch isn’t gonna like you if you a little nigga

[–]4ktx[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Half these women are over weight, who cares what they want. Chad isn't coming.

[–]Dls954050 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Most are overweight. Half are obese.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you live in the US of Ass.

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[–]Adorable_FecalSpray4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude, who are you talking to?

OP says right up front, this isn’t his story, he pulled it off a YT comment and is just sharing it.

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[–]4ktx[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pulled the comment of YouTube to expose female nature.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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