Female nature.

SaneSiamese · 2020-11-18T21:24:34+00:00

She comes over and I explain my viewpoint, and I tell her. What if for instance, a week before our wedding I show up with a new $125k Porsche? How would that make you feel knowing you were about to marry me and now WE had to pay for this expensive car loan? The light finally went off in her head.

Not in the way he thinks. The "light went on" in the sense that she realized the guy was serious about dumping her ass. So she mentally postponed the private school discussion until after the wedding.

I don't understand the mindset of marrying a single mom who is too old to have your kids.

I don't understand the mindset of paying major expenses for another man's child.

arakouzo · 2020-11-18T23:42:06+00:00

This lady was very literally waving her gold-digging flag in this guy's face and flaunting it.

When she says, "I make 32000 a year, before taxes, and intend to send my son to an 11000/year private school", she is literally telling him, "One of the reasons I am marrying you, and as a condition of our marriage, I expect you to pay 11000/year to send my son to private school".

There is no other way to interpret this. There is no generous way. She very blatantly expressed an expectation that he would be purchasing this private school education she could not afford as part of their marriage arrangement.

He was about to dump her, so she stopped fighting for that and figured she'd just shut up, get a house, get a fancy wedding, and probably get the private schooling for her son too as long as she bided her time. But she still couldn't control herself and kept blatantly making her money-seeking clear to him. Directly and overtly.

She even recognized this about herself and decided a month before the wedding to completely stop seeing him, because if she had to spend another two weeks with him she'd out herself. And she honestly expected to just vanish and stop seeing her husband-to-be for a month then show up at the wedding and he'd marry her.

This woman literally could not hide her bad intentions. She was waving them in front of the guy. The guy probably thinks that the fact that it took him longer than 30 seconds to recognize what going on is kind of funny in hindsight.

tropicislandexplorer · 2020-11-18T21:36:24+00:00

That guy's lucky he got closure in the form of a screenshot text message. Most of the time you're 90% sure she was shady, but there are always moments when you think "what if I was wrong, what is she was "the ONE"?

Women are pros at making you think that YOU'RE the asshole.

woodie_wood · 2020-11-19T01:06:19+00:00

You lost me at 40 year old woman.

bottomLobster · 2020-11-18T21:49:52+00:00

Scary story! But kudos for the guy dodging a bullet like that, I hope he got the Porsche in the end.

PepinoSF · 2020-11-18T23:27:32+00:00

Golden post!

They love the idea of the life they might have around you. Thats the whole point. Valid for 90% of the bitches

empatheticapathetic · 2020-11-18T21:17:59+00:00

area ($11k a year). This woman made $32k a year before taxes at the time.

good lord. this was disgusting.

if this women was lil smarter and had better game she would lock down perfect BB (op) and this guy was too stupid, how can you manage to set yourself up for another divorce rape? he got really lucky...

Domebeers · 2020-11-19T00:04:45+00:00

great post, or at least good on you for copying the comment.

I'll tell a quick story. Me and my brother are both single, so we lived together in a house (we owned). We lived like that for a while, but the other month he bought a house and so I'm in my house alone now, getting lonely.

So I do what anyone would do, I fire up the old tinder, and like an idiot i put "empty house is too quiet" as my bio. You know where this is going. I meet a few chicks, take a liking to one and start seeing her. I'm banging this girl for about 2 weeks when she hits me with "Can I move in? You can rent me a room in your house..."

Women are predators. Keep that in your mind at all time. It doesn't mean you have to go like the goofs on whereareallthegoodmen or the other women hating forums, but it does mean you need to have your wits about you.

Rock_Granite · 2020-11-19T02:53:43+00:00

About four years after my divorce I (43m) met a woman (40) and after a year of dating we started talking about marriage

Dude, you have to vet these women for WAY LONGER than a year. I wouldn't be marrying anyone without dating her for 3-4 years first. Anyone can hide the crazy for a year or two.

pieredforlife · 2020-11-18T23:21:13+00:00

The following day she sends me a text saying she wasn't going to compromise on sending her son to a private Catholic high school which is the second most expensive school in our area ($11k a year). This woman made $32k a year before taxes at the time.

first and most obvious red flag. if a woman cannot handle money rationally, you will be deadweight to you.

ToraChan23 · 2020-11-19T03:32:39+00:00

Once I learned to think like a woman, which is understanding that they will do whatever is in their best interest in whatever moment they’re in regardless of others/consequences, I stopped having problems with them

cjunc2013 · 2020-11-18T23:52:32+00:00

Thanks for this share. Separated right now and need to keep my mind on the fact that even if I replace my “wife”.... same shit will happen if I don’t alpha that shit and red pill moving forward.

Ps wife cheated on me for a better provider that was confirmed to beat his kids at one point... I got two small ones. I’m furious.

Philosophipster · 2020-11-19T07:20:39+00:00

It always feels like an ‘us (RP) vs them (BP)’ story in the comments. Try to recognize that it’s a spectrum.

Not everyone is 100% BP or RP. Sometimes it’s hard to let go or concepts like marriage, even if your brain tells you: this is bad for you.

Simple exercise that might elucidate my point: fold your arms as if you’re being defensive. Then unfold then and fold them again, but this time the other arm on top. This might feel weird.

That’s cuz it’s a habit for everyone to have 1 way, a preference. Training yourself to do it reversed will takes ages to get used to. And this is just simply folding arms.

BP vs RP is kinda similar, most of us, if not all, started BP (folding our arms normally) and then learn (at our own pace and cost) how to do it the other way around (BP). Some days or weeks or years you might still fold your arms normally, without being fully aware of it. As long as you keep practicing with RP principles, you’ll get there.

Tl:dr: Tough luck with the marriage mindset, but kudo’s on spotting and confronting the predatory nature.

bloodshot_eyes · 2020-11-19T17:41:23+00:00

This is just solid 24k gold. I want to highlight one of the most important take-aways:

too many are looking for a fix for their failed life; an upgrade to the life they feel entitled to and one which they are not willing to work for themselves.

Pay attention to this gents. ESPECIALLY if you're a "late bloomer" who is suddenly receiving interest from women now that they're financially successful. Women in their mid to late 30s and beyond are incapable of pulling themselves out of their ruts, and look for someone to do it for them. Don't be a woman's pension plan. Don't be a woman's section 8 housing. Don't be a woman's food stamps.

zino193 · 2020-11-19T12:22:35+00:00

She fucked up for thinking you can take the pushing.

Now convince a RED PILL MAN - with capital letters, a real man - that his italian feminine girl that knows how to keep her mouth shut is looking for the life not the man. Easy to see it from a SE asian wife import - not as easy when talking about a red pill mid-western wifey.

Women are made to nest. Her romantic ideal is not a person - but a husband, a father, a protector, a income source. You are not human for a woman - especially one that loves you, that needs you, that looks at you like a man.

Until you accept that unavoidable fact - you aren't actually red pill - you're just talking politics, culture war, values and all that drivell.

We are made to objectify one another. Women are healthy and beauty object - men are value and status objects. The monkey doesn't talk values, commonalities or retirement plans - why do you expect your relationships to be based on something more ethereal?

Because if you do - you are biting the nurture constructivist argument and fundamentally arguing for: attraction is a choice.

we_out_here_123 · 2020-11-19T03:20:18+00:00

Hey man I barely joined this sub, so seeing stuff like this amazes me how y’all really can see through this shit with the right mindset. I’d want to see more of this my guy

hiktaka · 2020-11-19T00:19:15+00:00

Good write OP. It's as if there are no enough sidebar warnings about single-mom-with-rotten-pussy's marriage trap.

prettydirtyboy · 2020-11-19T00:29:24+00:00

Oh I was about to go in on you but the guy who originally wrote that comment is an idiot for talking about marriage after a year of dating, jeez I get you’re old but yikes. At least he came out of it at the end, guy was so close to the beginning of the end of his life

2020-11-19T10:41:34+00:00

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BurningOrangeHeaven · 2020-11-18T23:02:23+00:00

Once over 30 too many are looking for a fix for their failed life; an upgrade to the life they feel entitled to and one which they are not willing to work for themselves.

Turning 29 soon like...

Thinkingard · 2020-11-19T01:49:07+00:00

My thoughts on this, assuming all of it is true. Were women always this predatory? I want to believe women are becoming more predatory in their 30s/40s because of student loans and the general lag of the economy. They have to bootstrap the only way many of them know how, by wed-locking a successful man they can stomach (hamstering that all couples have less sex overtime anyway). One blessing for redpill men is they should see this behavior before they fall into her trap. I think the general decline of female morality makes it harder for women to keep the charade up like women in the past were probably capable of.

The other thing is, if you have enough money to give a woman a little taste of the good life, and make her dream, you can have the pick of whatever you want, so long as you know you can (almost) never settle down.

strikethrough123 · 2020-11-19T03:45:39+00:00

It’s either she’s a gold digger or a goal digger.

thewrightstuff88 · 2020-11-19T14:00:05+00:00

Women are all about procuring as much resources as possible. They don't care that you are being kind to them, taking care of her and whatever spawn she managed to have with another man. All she wants is security and stability when her responsibility increases (having a kid). Like they say, men love women like women love children like children love puppies. She will never love you like she loves her child and will do anything to secure their success, even if that means draining every penny a man has, and then she will step on his throat on to the next man when you become "useless" in her eyes.

SatreidesW · 2020-11-19T14:27:20+00:00

I don't think this is actually a case of female nature but one of failure in dispute resolution between two rational actors, at least in the beginning.

During talk of marriage, what's supposed to be a romantic partnership and foundation for healthy family relations, discussion about purchasing a house arises. This apparently brings in the woman concerns about the type of schooling her child will receive, an issue she states she will not compromise on.

One question to ask is why the house the man wants to purchase would bring forth this sort of strong reaction from the woman?

That said I do feel sympathy with the man here as well. A woman shouldn't be seeking to make unilateral decisions regarding finances that she did not earn herself. Manipulating others is wrong.

Many older people with children will often put their child first when it comes to decision making, even beyond romantic relationships. I believe this is true for many men and women. This is why I'm not convinced that the first part of their disagreement is reflective of female nature.

Something about house shopping, or house location, seems a serious sticking point for this woman.

One would need more information to judge weather she her behavior was truly irrational in context of the life situation.

It might be worthwhile for all of us to cut back on the prejudice and confirmation bias in order so that mistakes are less likely for everyone :)

Fun-Guy21 · 2020-11-19T01:40:37+00:00

Fuck bro, he dodged a bullet big time!

chicagobourbonbeer · 2020-11-19T02:25:51+00:00

Great post. Divorced on this end as well. Thank God you called off that second wedding.

Appreciate the insights - thanks for sharing.

1426kils · 2020-11-19T02:49:12+00:00

"internal monologue" that drives how they act without feeling the need to always align that monologue with reality. Well said.

G0rv · 2020-11-19T11:04:06+00:00

but many women won't love you

You're not stretching this far enough.

No woman can love you when they have a child. A woman only loves her children.

Even before thay have a child it is valid to question if the woman is capable of loving a man.

You are a utility.

319Skew · 2020-11-19T18:27:40+00:00

Man I'm glad that you didn't marry her.

SacredCacti · 2020-11-19T01:29:32+00:00

Bro by the way that school price is fucking cheap for a private school! My brother and I school fees for high school was around 30,000 dollars each per year. So 60,000 usd for the both of us

fyp2017 · 2020-11-19T05:24:43+00:00

Sorry to say dude, but that first argument that you had kinda said it all. You should've broke it off completely then. Always trust your instincts. The fact that it escalated to you wanting for her to take her shit and leave, there's a really good reason it got to that point for you. At that point, it's 1000% not about you at all but all about her. But luckily you made the right choice in the end. That was a fucking train wreck in the making. Plus, why do you even want to get legally married at this point in your life? Just date her and enjoy your life. There are Zero benefits to marriage for a man in today's world. Just ask any divorce attorney or family court judge. We get marriage raped every single fucking time.

2020-11-19T07:48:55+00:00

Definitely do post more of such eye-openers. Time to learn the most important life lessons from other people’s experiences.

brngamer · 2020-11-19T09:03:05+00:00

Essential reading. Keep them coming.

when_its_too_late · 2020-11-19T13:04:44+00:00

I despise by Chaotica

Enjoy.

mikesteane · 2020-11-20T00:10:07+00:00

Anyway, my ex-wife sends me a photo of a text message where my ex-fiance tells her that I was just a means to an end.

Intentionally sent so that it would get passed on to you. It was an insult because of her wounded pride.

reluctantly_red · 2020-11-20T04:30:52+00:00

an upgrade to the life they feel entitled to and one which they are not willing to work for themselves.

That perfectly describes my ex-wife. Almost feel sorry for her new richer husband (almost).

Lion_Of_Mara · 2020-11-23T07:21:27+00:00

The ex-wife still looking up for him.

0O00OO0O000O · 2020-11-24T04:10:55+00:00

That lady was clearly a materialistic bitch.

But let's recognize that she does NOT represent all women.

It's unfair to make broad generalizations about a group of people.

DonsPosting · 2020-11-25T12:36:39+00:00

Way too much entitlement. What’s the difference between a woman who sells herself as a means of income and a woman who sells herself for a wedding ring? Quick answer - true prostitute is more honest.

Trollz4fun · 2020-11-19T04:14:36+00:00

Fuck you. Fuck redpill. And fuck my life. Why time and time again do I have to swallow this shit. Why the fuck do I meet a great girl just to find out AWALT. Cheating bartenders, to educated Masters degrees, AWALT. Why couldn't I have been gay or aborted.

baltimorecastaway · 2020-11-19T04:19:26+00:00

You are all too right in your assessment of many of the women in today’s arena. Your thoughts are rational all too realistic. Bravo.

BastaHR · 2020-11-19T07:10:01+00:00

Yes, women just adore small weddings.

yes_kid · 2020-11-19T15:46:31+00:00

For once, this was a good post.

sawyer94117 · 2020-11-19T18:30:44+00:00

The sad thing is self-awareness is largely off the table. That would suggest that they may have something to do with it. By and large men played a father figure -- by providing and protect. Women, in turn, played the role of the child, to be protected and cared for. That is when they feel the most feminine. Also since they can attach themselves to a winner and, by proxy, enjoy many a benefit it leads to magical thinking that that can work at the macro level.

Basically it'd be like having sled dogs that had been bred and trained for generations to mush. And then a chihuahua enthusiast saying half of sled dogs should now be chihuahua. And when this arrangement predictably fails, habitually blame the sled dogs. Sure it was your idea but why should you accept any blame?

And to the last line I'd say removing the conditioning is more key.

Punstatostriatus · 2020-11-19T21:47:02+00:00

It is not even confined to romantic relationships. My mother made a drama because she wanted me and my partner and kids to live with her. All because all around her there were people who live that way. Like a child, she wanted things other have. Of course she had no bargain card so she could bite me.
But there are not that bad women out there. It all depends on personality type, upbringing and your relative status to her.

2020-11-19T23:50:56+00:00

Insane story man good job getting out of there. A woman that's 40 and a single mom is that way for a reason. And the even more messed up part in all this, she'll probably never think she did anything wrong in this situation. She'll literally reflect back on this and think you were the crazy one.

frankreyes · 2020-12-13T03:24:44+00:00

My issue was that after we started discussing marriage she was already making financial decisions on her own that were going to affect me. I thought that was completely wrong.

[...]

Anyway, my ex-wife sends me a photo of a text message where my ex-fiance tells her that I was just a means to an end.

My ex GF, she did not care about anyone but herself. She wanted a family and I was her sperm supplier

JedYorks · 2020-11-19T01:00:06+00:00

They only want tall good looking guys this shit is all cope besides lifting and bettering yourself. A bitch isn’t gonna like you if you a little nigga

Adorable_FecalSpray · 2020-11-18T20:24:12+00:00

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4ktx · 2020-11-18T20:39:22+00:00

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Title	Female nature.
Author	4ktx
Upvotes	780
Comments	139
Date	18 November 2020 07:54 PM UTC (3 months ago)
Subreddit	TheRedPill
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/727251
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/jwn0o2/female_nature/

Female nature.

I survived a vicious Divorced Single Mom. My contribution and essay for MGTOW University.

MGTOW cost me 2 "friendships" and saved me $1,500 in a single decision.

[Epic FR] 12 Months of MAP Progress

The Single Mother Thread to End All Single Mother Threads

This Woman Cheats On His Boyfriend And Cries For Sympath Because "He ruined my life."