Do you see any way to simultaneously be able to live a committed Christian life and get married, but avoiding a situation where you become the classic pussywhipped husband?

alpha-zach · 2018-05-30T14:29:57+00:00

Op, I feel you.

Christian. Rp. I’ve been in your same boat. Here’s the answer.

I always wondered why the patriarch looked sad. The posters in school always said “Smile! You’ll make someone’s day!” So I smiled a lot. I was pretty solidly happy. But couldn’t figure out why the strong men in my life generally didn’t smile.

Scripture says, “wisdom brings sorrow.”

You’ve found wisdom in TRP. You’ve been blessed with something few get to taste and could never handle. You know the truth.

The patriarch knows the truth. He knows that the world is an incredibly evil place. He knows that happiness is a myth. He sees through all the nice guys and knows women are just big children. He knows he can’t trust anyone. He knows that when people are nice to him, they are just trying to get something from him, even if it’s just his attention, even if they rationalize away their selfishness; they are just trying to take.

And so he is sad. I’m convinced the patriarch can never be truly happy.

His position in life is to die for his family. In a very Christ like manner. But it’s a slow death.

The patriarch’s position is to take the bullets of the world while wrapping his protective arms around his family. In doing so, he creates a tiny little fantasy world for his wife, children, even grandchildren to live, play, smile, and be happy.

He can’t talk about his feelings because then he would ruin the fantasy. He can’t explain the truth because it would ruin the fantasy. The same way you protect a small child from horror films, you protect even your wife from the truth of life.

And they get to be happy while he slowly dies.

The closest the patriarch can get to happiness is by living vicariously through his family. Seeing them smile and live in paradise, happy, never knowing the truth, gives him pockets of happiness. This is what scripture calls joy. It’s not happiness because happiness is a delusion. But to smile when a child gets excited about drawing their stick figure, something that is absolutely meaningless in reality, is the meaning of joy.

TRP takes me back the the garden of eden over and over. Every TRP idea can be seen clearly in the first few chapters of genesis. And once again, the idea of the patriarch brings me to eden.

What the patriarch is really doing is undoing the curse and repenting of Adam’s mistake by taking responsibility for it and taking the burden of the sin.

In the garden, Adam ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The patriarch embraces this wisdom, deals with it, and creates a little garden of eden for his family. He continually gains wisdom, the knowledge of good and evil, in an effort to become greater and greater so that his physical, financial, and emotional strength can protect his family from the truth.

In protecting them from the truth they reenter into a state of ignorance. The original state of Adam and Eve, and get to eat exclusively from the tree of life.

It’s hell, I know. But it’s reality. The last shall be first.

IronboundAbyss · 2018-05-30T16:01:50+00:00

I’m a Christian and have a sweet submissive wife. She’s not at all kooky but has a real, genuine faith. I thank God I married a Christian. Can’t even imagine marrying one of today’s radical feminists who are obsessed with “equality.” I married a wife, a helper, not a competitor.

talexanderc · 2018-05-30T13:08:16+00:00

Sure. Few manage to do it though

JRebirth · 2018-05-30T13:31:42+00:00

Honestly I think once you accept TRP you have to understand you cannot derive happiness from anyone else but you. Its a shit feeling to realize you will never be able to fully hand yourself to anyone because the perfect One doesnt exist. But its a part of the contract you made with the devil.

So IMO, yes you can find someone who will be loyal to you till the end (circumstancial loyalty), there are some out there, but I doubt you will ever truly trust her 100% after knowing women's biology and psychology. So I dont think you will ever feel truly fulfilled even after you find the one you think is 'the one', because you will be deriving your happiness from an unreliable source (another human being). And thats an iron rule: true happiness must come from within, from yourself.

You are the only one you can really count on till you die. Because it is your interest to survive. There is love from others, but true inconditional love is not reserved for men (except when it comes from mothers, and even then Im not 100% sure). Living beings thrive to survive, not to love.

Phoenixston · 2018-05-30T13:12:10+00:00

Suggest you try r/RPchristians for better advice.

chazthundergut · 2018-05-30T14:32:15+00:00

Yes. Live like Solomon.

tslextslex · 2018-05-30T17:36:01+00:00

"Is there any hope in the prospect of finding a wife that will allow me to be as kind as I'd like to be, while still being ready to be helpful enough, playful enough and loyal?"

Yes. I did 25 years ago. Lots of guys do.

One thought: If you wanted to catch a fish, you'd probably spend your time at sea, and not in wheat field. You have to be where women like the woman you want are found.

TheBlondeWarrior · 2018-05-30T15:19:36+00:00

Probably will get hate for this. I never understood how one can be a christian and accept red pill truths. Being raised a Jehovahs witness i understood the bible well. Christians are the definition of blue pill beliefs. The golden rule, belief of something without evidence, the world view of a believer. These are all narrow minded dogmatic beliefs. I agree the bible has certain principles and quotes that may be inspiring or stoic. Yet accepting that we are a product of evolution and that we are all animals does not sit well with most christians. Call me fucked but karma or judgement day doesnt exist. This doesnt mean you have to be amoral but if you "sin" today... There will be noone judging you or punishing you. Understand that living a "good" or "moral"life doesnt have to be religious.

In terms of women.. Nature and Nurture. In terms of nature... Women will always be women. Wrong situation, wrong feelings, wrong timing and a great women can stab you in the back. Nurture is where you can durastically increase your probability of finding a suitable mate. People are animals just like dogs are. Have you ever met a dog that was neglected and beaten? Very aggressive compared to one that was sheltered, taken care of, properly trained. We are the same.

matrixtospartanatLV · 2018-05-30T15:47:34+00:00

My answer to your question is..

Yes, I do.

Your faith is shit.

Your entire post says,

“I believe in the GOD of the universe, but even HE can’t find a worthy woman for me in this Tsunami of feminism.”

Oh ye of little faith.

Paul said it is better to marry than to burn (with passion?).

I swallowed the pill almost a year ago.

This is what I tell my 5 sons..

Nothing gets better with marriage.

Absolutely nothing.

There is only one legitimate reason to marry.

When you DO get married, that becomes your baseline.

If you continue to improve, get better in every way physically, intellectually, and spiritually, then you have a reasonable chance of success.

If you get married and think the race is over, retire to the couch with beer and pizza, then your marriage will decline as you do.

There IS hope.

But that hope has to come from hard work, faith, and understanding.

[deleted] · 2018-05-30T15:46:54+00:00

I know a very strong Christian family. Patriarch, Wife, 2 sons, 1 daughter. They are the most pious/noble/strong/good-hearted/etc. family that you can be in today's society. The men seem really happy, but I can see the unhappiness on the women's faces now and again. I think this means that they devoutly practice what the Bible teaches. Btw, the patriarch and his sons do very well financially, won the genetic lottery, eat healthy and workout like beasts, and are all pretty naturally RP. I believe this is the only reason it works. As for the women, maybe boredom is a better word that describes their expressions. So yes, it seems very possible, just seems to take hard work and starting a family with the right woman.

askmrcia · 2018-05-30T17:53:30+00:00

I believe I'm qualified to comment on this because I have a cousin who was and is like you.

He is now 40 years old but has been married over ten years with his wife. I know both of them very well.

His wife is a hb7 still in her late 30s with three kids. His wife does go to church although she is not over the top Christian as my cousin. Meaning my cousin actually guest preaches at church and sometimes shove his Christian shit down our throats. Although I admit he got much better the past three years.

So the wife is as close to a unicorn as you can get. I honestly don't believe she would ever cheat. Yea they might get tired of each other (more on this later), but I don't see her cheating like most skanks out here.

Why? Because no one will take her side. My cousin is a damn near square so he's not going to cheat. I seriously doubt she would and if she were to, it would fuck up the family up bad. She has a good, she's a stay at home mom but does work part time for insurance rep.

All this sounds good right? Sounds like the wife and married woman you want?

Well here comes the problem. She nags alot. And I'm sure she nags much more when I'm not around. And it's so bad it aged my cousin very fast. Within a blink of an eye after their six year of being married my late 30s cousin got old fast. And it only continued from there.

If that's what you want then go for it. But women are women and they demand alot of attention and they want their way. That's just how they are. Not to mention those kids are no joke either. The thing is they have great kids, but it's still alot of work.

Now with all the women I personally met in my life, I can honestly count on one hand as marriage material but I'd be lying to myself saying I could see myself living with them for the next 40+ years. Yea fuck that.

With all this said, you're never going to be fully happy in life. Don't think getting married to a good girl is going to make your life all peaches and roses It doesn't.

waylonw · 2018-05-30T16:10:05+00:00

I think, like a lot of fellows on here, you forgot or misinterpreted what TRP is about. It isn’t just about slaying pussy, as any PUA can teach that.

It’s more about being the best MAN for yourself you can be. Once you do this and take your own masculinity back you will see all other things fall into place as they should.

In regards to the title of this post, read your Bible. The Bible is full of instances in which men are men and in fact it is encouraged to be head of the house hold. You are designed to be the leader...

Whisper · 2018-05-30T18:17:46+00:00

Seeing as religious women come generally in 2 flavours, hysterical dogmatic zealot that will make your life a permanent trial, and hypocritical fake religious thot (using religion to legitimize her own sense of ego and good girl delusion while having the same whorish nature of all others), I'd like to ask you today: Is there any hope in the prospect of finding a wife that will allow me to be as kind as I'd like to be, while still being ready to be helpful enough, playful enough and loyal?

You just answered your own question.

TRP is about what works. We didn't select the material based on conformance to any ideological preconceptions, or preconceived notions. We simply followed where our observations led.

If that clashes with your preconceived notions, that is your own problem.

When you start testing things in the real world to see what works, all of your beliefs, all of them, are immediately on the firing line. You don't get to pick and choose.

Kokanada · 2018-05-31T09:29:54+00:00

Comment from a serious Buddhist here. I am struggling with the same basic problem. What I learned from the Red Pill so far is pretty disheartening. It doesn't encourage me to aspire to a virtuous life.

What you wrote reminded me of a specific term we have in Buddhism - Samvega.

Explained here by the american monk "Thanissaro":

"Samvega was what the young Prince Siddhartha felt on his first exposure to aging, illness, and death. It's a hard word to translate because it covers such a complex range — at least three clusters of feelings at once: the oppressive sense of shock, dismay, and alienation that come with realizing the futility and meaninglessness of life as it's normally lived; a chastening sense of our own complacency and foolishness in having let ourselves live so blindly; and an anxious sense of urgency in trying to find a way out of the meaningless cycle."

If you're interested, you find the whole text here.

AloofusMaximus · 2018-05-30T13:37:16+00:00

Personally I think TRP principles are antithetical with most religions for various reasons. I also like to delineate religion and spirituality.

It sounds to me, OP, that you need an overarching life mission. The actions you're taking in life, don't necessarily satisfy/justify the "meaning". Religion fills that void to some degree (the God hole type situation). Finding your mission can help you orient yourself to have meaningful actions.

CaptainBW · 2018-05-30T15:21:01+00:00

In all likelihood, no. When I see posts like this (the want for marriage, Christian values, etc) I can’t but think to myself, “Have these guys even read ‘The Rational Male’?” Back to the basics 101. Time to reconcile your own desires with a brutal Mother Nature. Your big happy Christian family and marriage is idealism. You can strive for it, maybe it works out, but don’t base your happiness on some type of blue pill fantasy.

UsefulPsychology · 2018-05-30T15:57:16+00:00

Read Nietzsche - The will to power

FlyingSexistPig · 2018-05-30T16:26:56+00:00

You have fundamentally misunderstood the red pill.

The point of the red pill is for you to understand women. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. It sounds like you're looking for a unicorn.

The religious zealot just wants you to lead. She will follow where you lead. If she makes your life a permanent trial, then you have failed in your leadership: she isn't qualified to judge you. She's trying to follow the good book, because she doesn't know what else to do. If she instead follows you, then it'll be better for everyone involved.

A strong red pill man is a godsend to any woman. He makes her feel secure because he has his business handled. The much bigger deal is that she can follow him where he leads because he understands the world. A good woman will make a good first mate on your life's voyage. You can give her tasks and responsibilities, but it's your job to captain the ship.

A red pill man doesn't seek validation from others.

When I lift, I lift for me. I don't care what the guy next to me is lifting. I don't care what the people around me think about my lifts (unless they have genuine pointers to improve form). I'm at the gym to make tomorrow's me better than today's me.

I see the thots and the moms at the gym, constantly on their phones or with a cloud of orbiters around them. One girl had two orbiters that were helping to spot her on her lifts. I think she occupied the bench press for 30 minutes and did a single rep. She was constantly talking to the two guys, who seemed to be happy to get her attention. My only thought was that they wasted their 30 minutes on this thot.

Wrath_of_Trump · 2018-05-30T16:57:06+00:00

I don't think you can reconcile the two. To actually believe the bible means you're committing adultery every time you even look at her "that way". Even if that is true in the autistic sense, you know there is nothing you can do about it, and you're going to feel guilty for the rest of your life over something you can't really control. I think there's a lot of good lessons in the bible about being a man and how to treat other men with dignity, but trying to construct your life around it will eventually lead you to a different kind of talmudic misery where you'll never feel good enough to live as some idealized man whom you aren't. But what do I know, if you want to go to church and do the liturgy and feel good for a bit, that's your business, but you will have to reconcile everything eventually.

Personally I think you've just hit a demotivational period in your life where a holier-than-thou ideal looks appealing, sort of like an oasis, but when you get closer you realize there's really nothing there. Godspeed.

BlackFire68 · 2018-05-30T17:58:59+00:00

The part of TRP that is incompatible with Christianity is primarily Dread. Gaming won’t work without that, so the sex part really doesn’t work. Without sex as a motivator, does TRP work for either gender?

marlybarrow · 2018-05-30T18:01:25+00:00

Read up on the traditionalist schools of christianity.

MattyAnon · 2018-05-30T18:16:05+00:00

Trying at times to do the moral thing and getting naturally screwed over by women / That's me.

You've been well trained to be a beta.

A treadmill of trying to be ever cooler, tell myself having a good career matters while I don't actually need more money, and tying my sense of self worth to the extent at which women with firm butts out of squatting in the gym are willing to fuck me. I can't answer to myself anymore why I live like this

You have to live by your own values, TRP cannot decide this for you.

I just want to try to live a simple Orthodox life and become a simple person that just does good without any hope of reward

Then do this. Do good for the world. Get no reward for it (which you know will happen). What's the problem? Most people will let you do things for them for no reward, so have at it.

Unless of course this is a covert contract and you expect some other reward. Then you have a problem.

That being said, I am sure you can appreciate how bad of a predicament it can be to try to do this and still somehow hope to be married

Yup, this has obvious consequences.

Is there any hope in the prospect of finding a wife that will allow me to be as kind as I'd like to be, while still being ready to be helpful enough, playful enough and loyal?

Any hope at all? Well, we might discover an alien planet in which women are like this. Or all the laws of all the countries of the world might change at once and make women predisposed to.... but really, there's no hope at all of this, give it up now.

Maybe learning how to be celibate is the one challenge ahead.

I don't get the leap from "marriage is a bad idea therefore celibacy".

jb_trp · 2018-05-30T18:19:15+00:00

Maybe, but nothing is guaranteed. I know solid families at my church, they seem genuinely happy and the women are committed. They are devout in their faith, but not kooks. But who knows what life is like behind closed doors?

Time is not on your side, however. If a girl is religious, solid marriage prospect, and wants to get married and has a family... The longer time goes on, the more of a red flag it becomes. Is she going to settle for you after spending a decade of her life rejecting every other man?

I had a girl, and we would go to church every Sunday and read our Bibles and pray together. It only lasted 9 months and she branch swung to some other dude (they're married now... Good luck to him).

I'm in my 30s. Honestly, I've stopped worrying so much about women. I want to have a good life. I want to be happy and able to retire, and make an honest living. Any chick keeping me warm is a bonus. I'm not expecting them to stick around.

BusterVadge · 2018-05-30T19:24:10+00:00

You seem like you could be depressed.

monsieurhire2 · 2018-05-30T19:37:06+00:00

If you don't want to be pussy-whipped, religion can actually HELP you, because suddenly, you are not coming at sex from a place of thirst because you recognize that sexual desire relates to the body's desire to reproduce, and is therefore "false" in the sense that it can mislead you away from loving someone by tricking you purely into thinking you love someone when you what you really feel is lust, be it chemically induced from natural attraction, or from media brain-washing. You can be attracted to someone who you abhor, as you have already figured out.

Now that you know this, you are free to select a woman based on character, and not appearance. And you can marry her. She may not be that attractive though, but you never know. Of course, if you want to indulge your lust, you can always masturbate to porn or fantasies on the sly, or find a mistress. TRP may allow you have to be able to pull off this sleight of mind, but then if she finds out, she'll think you a hypocrite. So be sure you are really willing to commit, and not merely suffering from a temporary case of burn-out and thus looking for a different type of peak experience.

cholomite · 2018-05-30T19:43:17+00:00

It all comes down to how willing you are to walk away and how much she stands to gain if you do. The more she has to gain from you leaving, the less she will respect you and the more she will shit test you. If she knows that she will be losing something valuable (status or money) she will maintain a level of respect and things will go a little better.

It's not impossible to be married and still stay alpha, it's just a lot harder.

DirtyBastard13 · 2018-05-30T19:51:38+00:00

No. Christianity by definition requires submission-to God and precludes having sex before marriage, and unfaithfulness (ie side plates or making your wife fear you'll leave her) and requires that a man be pussywhipped and tied down and subject to a church (which tend to be overly feminized). The Christian is a slave to God. The red pilled man is his own master.

Religion works for the benefit of women, and the clergy (who are supported by tithes) and the elites who use it to control society.

TheSupr3m3Justic3 · 2018-05-30T20:58:11+00:00

Your post is full of nilistic crying.

I've been married for 11 years.

You are the problem, women are women. Be a fucking man and get your shit together, stop feeling defeated, worthless, and hopeless. Literally get your shit together and lead some bitch to this imaginary expectations realm you keep fantasizing about. With this attitude you might as well go celibate.

RedPilledRoaster · 2018-05-30T22:26:55+00:00

Chances of that happening today are probably worse than winning a local lottery.

GayLubeOil · 2018-05-30T23:08:15+00:00

Yea move to a country where women still belive in Christ basically anywhere in Latin America. Can't have a Christian marriage if your the only one believing.

IVIaskerade · 2018-05-30T23:23:12+00:00

Have you actually read the Old Testament?

Multiple wives, genuine patriarchs, heroic deeds, and taking no shit abound.

alpha-zach · 2018-05-31T00:09:27+00:00

Is that Greek Orthodox?

GeuseyBetel · 2018-05-31T00:26:20+00:00

Probably an unpopular here, but religion is part of the BP narrative IMO.

So I'm gonna say that while it's possible, it's a bit contradictory. Yes, TRP will teach how to get girls, but it's part of a much larger scope that involves rejecting the narratives of BP society (such as religion).

RPAlternate42 · 2018-05-31T00:58:39+00:00

Ephesians 5:22-33

[deleted] · 2018-05-30T16:18:04+00:00

i don't know. can i still believe in the keebler elves and avoid becoming a pussy-whipped husband?

Cloudsurf89 · 2018-05-30T14:35:48+00:00

I don't know you and this is just a self portrait snapshot of your life but here's my take on it:

At several points throughout your post it points towards you relying on IOIs and opinions of others for your validation and motivation. The main goal of RP seems to be to rely on yourself for validation - become more OI and make self improvement your goal.

As for the Christian side of it - 🤷

ReefaShark · 2018-05-30T14:32:03+00:00

Maybe find a former fat girl