Study shows woman are more likely to be abusive and and violent while men seeking help likely to be accused of abuse is being wrought in denialism.

Garinn · 2021-07-06T21:02:33+00:00

Men get taught quickly violence has consequences. Detention, expulsion, loss of job, arrest, ect. Social stigma is harsh.

Women seem to get a free pass for casual violence. Smacking, scratching, slapping, all of this gets brushed off. Seems to be women commit far more casual violence while male violence gets unleashed above a certain level.

rahsoft · 2021-07-06T20:26:24+00:00

from the article

By the 1990s, however, Dutton realized many husbands were telling the truth when they said, “My wife is violent, too.”

Erin prizzy was pointing this out long ago, and received a lot of abuse over it.

reddut_gang · 2021-07-06T20:01:00+00:00

Controversy ensues when science butts heads with liberal ideology

This is one of my pet peeves. I actually really hate it, because its true, and it shouldn't be true. I hate how fucking ignorant the progressive movement is towards our struggles, because it forces us to align with conservatives, who also do not have progressing our movement in their best interests. If anything, the men's rights movement is progressive. It sickens me that it's not despite wanting many of the same things progressives want.

BonelessSkinless · 2021-07-07T00:25:49+00:00

Bruh there's literally a post of a woman that just smashed her husband's 5000 dollar computer monitor for bullshit reasons. Women are always more violent because they can get away with it behind closed doors and squel and play weak victim when caught or called out for their bullshit.

jestarcarbar · 2021-07-07T00:04:57+00:00

"trust science"

what happened to that lol

rubbersaturn · 2021-07-07T02:56:16+00:00

My brother in law almost got shot twice just last week by his now ex-wife at his mother's house. She had the rifle pointed at his head as he turned but he managed to duck in time and grab the gun from her after a second shot went through the side of the house. My 5 year old happened to be in the house at the time and lucky he wasn't hit. No telling what would have happened is she had killed the brother in law. What if she had turned on the other potential witnesses in the house? Sure she was arrested and is awaiting trial but currently she's aloud to be at her parents farm...who have access to guns.

smfuel87 · 2021-07-06T20:10:51+00:00

You know whats sad is how you have to cowtow to the general public and say things like "Women can be just as violent as men". Or "Domestic abuse is mutual" just so you dont somehow appear crazy to the layman idiot.

Sure, men can be abusive, but at least im my experience through life, women have been overwhelmingly the instigators and perpetrators of any domestic abuse instance I've ever known. Defending yourself isn't "mutual abuse". Restraining a woman from hitting you or herself to make it appear you hit her isn't "men abuse too".

People just dont want to hear the truth. Nobody wants to admit that women are overwhelmingly the abusers. Nobody wants to acknowledge that if theyre not directly inflicting physical abuse, their mental abuse is 9 times out of 10 the reason behind their own fat lip.

angst45678 · 2021-07-07T04:45:57+00:00

I know from horrible personal experience that all of this is true.

Alternative_Union518 · 2021-07-07T06:07:58+00:00

In Australia there are no facilities for single father's subjected to wanton domestic violence perpertrated by a female partner. I should know as after getting custody of my children from the Children's Court in Sydney under the Child Protection Act and spending all of my money fighting for full custody in the Brisbane Family Courts the only time the police took notice was when I was nearly murdered spending weeks in intensive care on September 1st 2006.The outcome? Suspended sentence for she claimed mental incapacity. So much for justice. The violence never stopped and heartbreakingly I placed my own children back into foster care to save their lives. Did I love my children? Absolutely, but when the system is overtly slanted against you sometimes the most selfless of acts is to ensure that they don't become eulogies and early headstones.

UematsuVII · 2021-07-07T03:21:23+00:00

‘Friends’ had an episode like this. Joey was dating a woman who gave ‘friendly’ punches to the arm, his friends mocked him for him complaining, in the end a female friend realised she was actually violent and punched her back, only then was it acceptable

Pradyumn21 · 2021-07-07T03:22:41+00:00

I use to think

As a society ,in which we are supposed to consider strength/weakness of all ppl and thrive, has failed women. Law which is supposed protect everyone equally regardless, has failed men.

But now men are in lose lose situation in everyday life.

angst45678 · 2021-07-07T04:50:03+00:00

Of course he is right, and of course e very few people believe him.

Svenskbtch · 2021-07-06T18:05:59+00:00

There is ample research showing a similar picture dating back decades by now. Anyone who bothers to look can find out.

But let us not make the mistake of mistaking opposition to acknowledging, let alone acting on these results, with liberalism (freedom of choice, free markets, small government) or progressivism (active government in pursuit of social justice-type goals). Rather, it is based in a conservative, if not reactionary, instinct to stick to strict gender roles. Instincts that emerged throughout the 99.9% of human instincts when they were central to our mere survival. Protecting and providing for women and children was simply the necessary priority to ensure that the tribe did not die out; and male status could only be derived from one source: the extent to which they contributed to this imperative.

Rather, the mere notion of even considering men as a group as victims is a hyperprogressive one that puts into question this instinct. In fact, even many of those who abjure or ridicule feminism often balk at this notion: in a recent discussion with an alpha male of such disposition, happy to ridicule feminism left and right, the mere mention of male victims of domestic violence prompted him to dismiss it as a figment of my imagination. Then, after thinking a bit, not one but several examples from his own group of friends came to mind - especially of psychological abuse. Nevertheless, the leap of framing it as a problem was a leap to far. Bizarre, is it not, for a man with the wherewithal and confidence to thrive in sports and then in business...

My point is: it might seem that a tiny coterie of rabid, vocal feminists are what is holding awareness back. But that is wrong. The problem is that their rhetoric finds fertile ground as they chime with our conservative, entrenched instincts. That is also why speaking out about mens rights, perhaps apart from issues such as false allegations, fathers rights, or the boys crisis, incurs, even if nuanced, considered, and diplomatically formulated, such disproportionate vitriol. Which opinions we consider left or right are often a matter of happenstance rather than consistent ideology - why, for instance, is it the left that obsesses about the decline of civilisation to punish us for splurging on diesel cars and inducing climate change? Or, in many countries here in Europe, why is it the right and the populist right (basically democratic socialists plus varying degrees of anti-immigration stances) that are calling for strict Covid lockdowns while solidly left-wing Sweden has taken one of the most liberal approaches to containing the disease in the rich world (apart from protecting the elderly and posters with exhortations and recommendations, you could be forgiven for not noticing anything at all).

Still, there is some progress, albeit glacial. Anything approaching equality in this realm will probably take centuries. But it should be possible to address some of its more egregious manifestations. After all, is it outre of me to speculate that some of the spousal homicide cases are the result of men enduring abuse for years, feeling trapped, losing it, and finally hitting back - and hitting back far too hard? The underlying problem is that some men and women tend to engage in and stay in relationships that often quite obviously harm them. Or do we not all know that guy who falls in love with a beautiful woman despite her obvious personality disorder and narcissism?

Commonusername89 · 2021-07-07T01:40:49+00:00

obvious results are obvious.

hunglikewatchbattery · 2021-07-06T22:54:37+00:00

Damn I just posted this on a ton of subreddits until I realized it was from 2016

ZS_1171 · 2021-07-06T19:32:15+00:00

Me who knoows this damn well: duh

CaptainPrestedge · 2021-07-06T17:23:50+00:00

The article says that women can be as violent as men and that often when they are, it's often a case of mutual violence where the couple "doesn't know when to stop".

Not that women are more likely to be abusive and violent.

Pillery · 2021-07-06T21:30:48+00:00

Can someone just link to the study? Too many adds and videos on that site.

Alternative_Union518 · 2021-07-07T05:53:39+00:00

There was an insightful social experiment documentary that transpired a few years ago in Hyde Park, London. The co-ordinators of this experiment employed two actors- one female, one male. The setting was a summery day and a throng of people were enjoying and basking in the ambient ultraviolet rays. The fiticious couple were instructed to go the park and engage in a robust argument whereby the male begins yelling and shoves the woman whilst walking away to an isolated area pursued by numerous people demanding the man stop and he is hurled with abuse by both genders. The interviewers asked why did they decide to intervene? The common response was the kind of behaviour displayed was unacceptable and men shouldn't use their strength against women. Women should be protected and loved because they are a sister, may be a mother and only cowards hurt females.

A little bit later on the same day, (same park but different location) the role play was reversed with the woman becoming abusive and slapping the man. To make it worse a female jogger was imitating uppercuts encouraging the woman to increase the aggression metered out. No person became involved. When the interviewers approached women and men sunning themselves they asked why they did not dissuade such inappropriate actions the predictable reply was either," He is a man he probably did something to deserve it. Or He is probably being a bastard. Or he is tough enough he can take it". Food for thought there. In William Congreve's 1697 play, "The Mournful Bride" it is spoken- "Heav'n has no rage like a love or hatred turned nor Hell a fury like a woman scorn'd"

Epigram- After such years of dissention and strife, Some wonder why Peter should weep for his wife, But his tears on her grave are nothing surprising, He's laying the dust for fear of her rising!

introspectthis · 2021-07-07T06:02:49+00:00

Among all of it, this guy was also the target of some 35 year old woman who convinced a human rights tribunal that he was responsible for cultivating a "sexual atmosphere". For years he was smeared, his life in shambles.

Eventually it came out that she was lieing to further her career and garner sympathy and support and discredit him. It was a chilling, premeditated and dedicated plan that she committed to for actual years . What happened to her, you ask? To quote the man who suffered at her hands, "I have no idea whatever happened to her".

A woman, both enraged by a scientists dedication to facts/not kissing the feet societal standards and equally driven by her own greed planned and carried out a calculated smear campaign designed to specifically make people believe the disgusting man who's spreading lies about men and women being equally scummy is just a rapist incel piggot who shouldn't be believed.. And then when his innocence and her intent is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, she faces zero repercussions.

I'm not even sure that calling that irony does it justice.

midnight_disasters · 2021-07-07T16:51:28+00:00

Honestly I think this is just intuitive? Like, it seems sexist to fall back into these prescriptive categories where women are 'docile weak flowers' and men are 'aggressive violent abusers'. You're reinforcing stereotypes if you promote that, and I think it hurts both men and women to keep people in those boxes.

tms79 · 2021-07-08T08:28:53+00:00

After seeing this reddit post, i watched 2 talks of Donald Dutton and i have to say it is really scary to see in what propaganda driven society we are living...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Pk25vBeHg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrksEyW_Lko

Criket · 2021-07-08T18:34:37+00:00

It's happened to me. Even with her confirming her own violence, the judge was in total denial.

Bretty64 · 2021-07-08T21:28:57+00:00

The study doesn't show that women are more likely to be violent. The closest the article comes to saying that is "women can be as violent as men in domestic disputes."

Sea_Information_6134 · 2021-08-17T18:42:07+00:00

Sorry I’m late to the post!

As a woman myself I agree wholeheartedly, All the woman in my family are abusive and controlling. I actually just got kicked out of a group where people vent about their abuse for sticking up for all the men in the group. I’m sick and tired of watching women kicking men down for trying to speak up about abuse they suffered at the hands of a woman. Women can insult, shit talk and complain about men. But insulting woman is “sexist” I’m really sorry and feel for all the men out their that have suffered abuse wether that be mental, physical or both at the hands of women. Im sorry if you have had to suffer in silence, or laughed at, told to “grow up, or suck it up” the stigma around this shit needs to stop. But believe it or not there is some good women out there still!❤️

Garinn · 2021-07-06T20:27:19+00:00

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Study shows woman are more likely to be abusive and and violent while men seeking help likely to be accused of abuse is being wrought in denialism.

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From research into domestic violence in New Zealand...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/81025573/domestic-violence-study-presents-challenging-picture

Title	Study shows woman are more likely to be abusive and and violent while men seeking help likely to be accused of abuse is being wrought in denialism.
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