"Men still represent four out of five suicides, but this is a major increase in women taking their own lives that needs urgent attention"

actingverystrangely · 2015-05-31T08:23:50+00:00

Yes, the article really does say this.

ARedthorn · 2015-05-31T09:50:11+00:00

TL/DR: increasing social pressure, to conform or excel, has driven women from representing 18% of all suicides to a staggering nearly 20% of all suicides. This increase happened rapidly, over the course of several years, and clearly points to a world rapidly becoming more hostile to women, and we need to do something about it before any more women die.

I like how they complain about how suicide is now ahead of maternal fatality as a cause of death for women worldwide. That's not because more women are killing themselves, darling- it's because fewer women are dying in childbirth than ever before, because they're getting better care worldwide. Complaining about this would be like complaining that curing cancer will make heart disease #1.

Wargame4life · 2015-05-31T12:12:27+00:00

let me play you the worlds smallest violin.

obviously each individual case is a tragedy regardless of gender, a woman killing herself is just as heartbreakingly sad as a man killing himself, but collectively as a "cause" based on gender it means nothing 1/5 is not more significant than 4/5

PM_ME_BETA_KEYS · 2015-05-31T13:31:17+00:00

Male disposability defined lol. This reminds me of that Hilary Clinton quote on male death in wars. Pointing out women's suffering when the elephant in the room (men) is totally ignored.

2015-05-31T17:42:50+00:00

There was a post on this sub a long time ago where the author of the article was expressing concern that the lifespan gap was closing. That is, the difference in lifespan between men and women is becoming smaller. Apparently, she considered it a problem that women aren't living that much longer than men as before. It's another example of how self-serving and narcissistic feminism really is.

Penuno · 2015-05-31T13:43:34+00:00

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kragshot · 2015-05-31T17:11:34+00:00

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germaneuser · 2015-05-31T17:44:10+00:00

AT Hayley Purdon’s high school, to her it appeared almost every girl was engaged in some form of self-harm or battling low self-esteem. “Everyone knew, but we didn’t know what to do,” she said.

This makes me really wonder. If "Everyone knew" and "it appeared almost every girl was engaged in some form of self-harm" what does that say about society's observations concerning men and young boys considering that 4-5 times the number of boys are killing themselves? The empathy gap and the disposable male rolled into one :(

cardinal_cs · 2015-05-31T18:13:58+00:00

Until almost all the low hanging fruit is tackled the gender gap in terms of lifespan will continue to decrease. For years men haven't done that well taking care of their health (for personal reasons, societal reasons, the fact that they don't get educated about their health, take big risks sometimes), but a lot of what has reduced the gap are things that public health, worker safety and consumer advocates have helped address. The truth is that a ton of men used to die at work, a ton of men died from smoking, or not going to the doctor, or from car crashes. Boys used to die at much higher rates, people make light of that, they didn't grow up with seatbelts, and they're fine, yeah, they are the 99%, I would never talk to the parents of the 1% that died from poorly made consumer products with such anecdotes, never.

All these numbers have gone down a lot in the last 4 decades, so the likelyhood of a man surviving into retirement years is much larger today than it used to be, and I find that to be a good thing. People shouldn't die, especially from easily addressed issues. There is still more to be done in those fronts, not to make bubbles around each person to keep them safe, but to address simple things in worker safety, public health, and consumer safety. Until all the easy to address things are done, you will see the gap decrease, it is just the way it is.

Similarly an effective suicide campaign in this country will further decrease the life expectancy gap, and that is a good thing. Never cheer for the death of people, just because those people aren't you, death affects not only the victim, but all those close to them.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, death almost always is the worst outcome for a victim, there is not going back to picking up the pieces and rebuilding from there, it is the end, and there is no going back.

Sorry if this is ranty, I guess I just don't like it when people make light of anyone's death including suicide. I think if one's been on the other side of that, one would not write such a thing as the author did here.

IcarusBurning · 2015-05-31T13:13:34+00:00

Wouldn't an evening-out of the percentages also cause the percentage of suicides committed by women to jump towards 50?

InWadeTooDeep · 2015-05-31T09:36:58+00:00

An increase could definitely be more pertinent than higher rates, it means something has changed and that means something can probably be done about it.

2015-05-31T19:36:14+00:00

It has commonly been expressed in Men's Rights groups that if women killed themselves at the same rate as men, the media would be up in arms about it and people would call for solutions. Now you see how right you were.

PJteleman · 2015-05-31T17:50:09+00:00

Did I miss something? Four out of five suicides are men, and your alarm only goes off at the thought of an increase in FEMALE suicides? Are men just a disposable commodity to you? 80 out of 100 suicides are men and that alone does not set off an alarm for you? I'm curious, do you have any feelings about the 80 men that feel so hopeless and lost and trapped and so beaten down that they would take their own lives? I would have been much less offended had you stated or at least acknowledged the tragedy of the loss of so many to hopelessness, but your alarm is at the sudden rise in women's numbers. Please explain before I write you off as just another heartless man-hating bitch.

iNQpsMMlzAR9 · 2015-05-31T14:02:18+00:00

News about women's suicides shouldn't be silenced or criticized for raising awareness about suicide. It should be criticized for not focusing on the larger problem.

Deefry · 2015-05-31T15:45:40+00:00

Snapshot

Sorry for the mobile link, I'm on the move.

Cannon0006 · 2015-06-01T01:37:40+00:00

ಠ_ಠ

Ithinknotttt · 2015-06-01T04:14:27+00:00

Dat narrative.

2015-05-31T10:57:08+00:00

Could honestly give a hoot about any women's issue until Men's issues are at least taken seriously by the government and by extension the media. So keep Manning Up ladies and get the job done on the first try.

mattatinternet · 2015-05-31T16:48:35+00:00

One does not negate the other.

We need to identify the factors that lead to suicide or attempted suicide in both men and women. We need to identify which factors overlap (i.e. affect both men and women) and which factors are unique to each gender, and then tailor prevention schemes to address the issues: one to support both men and women; one to support men through hardships unique to them; and one to support women through hardships unique to them. The former should work in conjunction with each of the latter.

Although the number of men committing or attempting to commit suicide far exceeds the number of women, that does not mean that urgent action is not required to help the increasing number of women driven to suicide. Nor does it mean that resources should be shifted shifted from male suicide prevention schemes to female suicide prevention schemes. Rather what this report suggests is that more resources should be provided to both a broad scheme to prevent suicide in general and more narrowly focused schemes to address both genders equally.

BruceCampbell123 · 2015-05-31T20:35:28+00:00

Hayley believes there’s increasing pressure on girls to conform

That is so vague. Conform to what? There's dozens of social clicks in every high school around the world. Which one are we talking about? Which ones are the "bad" ones? What's so bad about conforming?

Erociter · 2015-05-31T22:57:29+00:00

I'm sure some feminists would think that increasing resources and attention to women's suicide rates, even as low as they are compared to that of men, will somehow benefit men in some way.

Feminism is a believer of the "Trickle Down" effect for helping men.

wazzup987 · 2015-05-31T10:26:17+00:00

Giving Support to young girls takes nothing away from men. You've picked one line out of the article that makes it seem like it's anti-men when in reality it's simply trying to help young women with legitimate problems. This is the same problem we see wiyh so many people trying to shut down talks about men's issues by accusing them of misogyny.

letsgofknmental · 2015-05-31T20:46:20+00:00

women actually attempt suicide significantly more often than men do. men are just more successful at it because they typically use ballsier (no pun intended) methods.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide

Title	"Men still represent four out of five suicides, but this is a major increase in women taking their own lives that needs urgent attention"
Author	actingverystrangely
Upvotes	437
Comments	101
Date	May 31, 2015 8:22 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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