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Title	👸♀️
Author	Melodic-End
Upvotes	701
Comments	44
Date	September 9, 2020 11:17 AM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/FemaleDatingStrategy
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/ipdyk2/_/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/212463 https://theredarchive.com/post/212463

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[–]maznykFDS Newbie105 points106 points107 points 5 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Literally the moral of the new Mulan movie that just came out. The witch says she can not bear to live in a world that will not accept a woman with power, betrays the bad guy who treated her like a slave even though he promised she’s be free to do as she pleases in his new kingdom, and helps Mulan who she sees leading the men into battle and has hope for. The world will never accept these two powerful women so the witch chooses death and Mulan literally says “I know my place” and is allowed to live and exist in this world because she declines a promising career with the emperor and returns home to resubmit herself to her family in the hopes that she may have a chance to honor her family and meet the matchmaker again. It’s only after Mulan chooses to submit to society’s expectations of her that she is then presented with a sword to show she has earned honor.

They were really heavy handed with Independent Powerful Woman = Bad , Loyal Submissive Woman = Good. It was really weird to see in such a modern movie

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Well the witch only goes after her because she’s obeying her master’s orders. And Mulan is just fighting for the emperor (and her family’s honor). So we literally have two powerful women pinned against each other for no reason other than men told them to fight each other.

I don’t think Mulan wanted to “be a passive wife” specifically. Mulan just wanted to return home with honor which meant resuming her role as their daughter and resubmitting herself to what was expected of her (and it’s expected that she’ll get wifed up just as her sister was recently matched). So she has to choose to submit herself to society, then we get the scene when her army buddies show up and present her the sword.

In the animated version the emperor hands her the sword himself, the crowd bears witness to this honor, and she brings it home to present to her dad as proof. Changing the order of when she’s presented with honor changes the whole message.

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I feel this. When folks were still in the dark about the plot of Frozen II, there was HUGE fervor over Elsa "finally" getting a romantic partner. A large part of that was a push to see her have a female love interest. I am absolutely for more LGBT representation in media and would applaud seeing a lesbian Disney princess, but I was disappointed to see this outcry implying Elsa (or Merida from Brave) wouldn't be interesting enough until she was head over heels for somebody else-- male or female. Like these single women can't possibly be complete until they're coupled up. I love the Frozen movies, but I found her sister-- who has not just one but two love interests during the film-- less interesting by far.

And then when Frozen II came out, they had a quick gimmick of Elsa seeing herself do the big "Let It Go" song from the first movie-- a song that became an empowering anthem for millions. Lol yes it drove parents crazy with how often it was played on repeat, but it was still this game-changing, strong, independent moment for the character where she turned the page and embraced her own power. One of the biggest songs of the decade and guess what-- she's NOT singing about a guy. But at this moment in Frozen II, she cringes away from the memory like it's a hugely embarrassing regret. TF?

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