Biden administration guts due process protections for students accused of sexual misconduct

a-man-from-earth · 2022-09-22T11:53:19+00:00

Of course many of us knew this move was coming, and now here it is. The Biden administration shows once again how little "left" they have in them, how callously they treat equal rights, and how ideologically blinded they are in undoing one of the very few good decisions by the previous administration.

MRA_TitleIX · 2022-09-22T14:44:03+00:00

People consistently miss the most problematic part of doing this. This stuff is admissible in federal court even if the school violated rights the court couldn't. Stuff from the tribunals is frequently used when they go to real court.

This is a way of backdooring evidence, statements, witnesses etc into the court proceedings without ever being required to show the defense all the evidence, gather it according to legal standards etc. Did the school and accuser coach statements and did the investigator selectively interview witnesses that are the friend of the accuser? Doesn't matter under the new rules. Totally fine. Also those coached witness statements made in the tribunal are fair game in court and the accused doesn't have access to full statements, deposition docs etc like they would in normal court. Just.... "get fucked"

Don't talk in the tribunal? You can lose out on being able to sue the school over the bullshit because you didnt take the opportunity to be heard during the tribunal. Do talk in the tribunal? You just made it easier to convict you in court even if you are innocent. There is no good way to handle having to go through these tribunals. Damned if you do. Damned if you dont.

They also removed the part where treating the complainant or respondent more favorably was a violation. I wonder how that serves any reasonable purpose.

The article paints a dire picture that is still a conservative take on just how big of a problem this is. It's far worse than they make it out to be.

Deadlocked02 · 2022-09-22T12:49:34+00:00

Sad that this won’t get any traction or hit the frontpage, unlike protests in Iran or news about abortion (that are as prominent now as they were when Roe V Wade was overturned).

Better_Repeat · 2022-09-22T16:52:25+00:00

If you can't cross-examine evidence, then you can't adequately defend yourself against the allegations: it's that simple. This is frankly an abhorrent abuse of human rights. These kangaroo courts are operated purely in the interests of the colleges, who are motivated by profit, not the best interests of any students; not even genuine victims of sexual assault.

To any feminists here: have you seen any criticism of this blatant institutional misandry from mainstream feminists?

pvtshoebox · 2022-09-22T14:16:42+00:00

The left seems ok with sacrificing young men at the altar of “protect women (from college rapes.”

The right seems ok with sacrificing young men at the altar of “protect women (from foreign threats via draft).”

Young men are not thought to have beauty, a womb, voter turnout, or high tax revenue, and are therefore considered politically and literally expendable. Some use them to fuel their machines, others throw them to the trash heap over the sound of applause.

This is also probably true of all cultures globally and for all human history.

Young men, we care about you. I don’t have the answers, but it does get better. Build yourself up. Peruse your own interests. The haters are sleeping on you. One day, they will see your worth and pretend they knew all along. Until then, help each other out. You never know which of your brothers is one step from the ledge - and if not today, maybe tomorrow.

No one is coming to save you, but your pain is not invisible.

Godspeed.

xhouliganx · 2022-09-22T18:59:01+00:00

In 2016, I interviewed the Title IX coordinator at the small university I attended in Wisconsin for a story I was pursuing as part of one of my journalism courses. At the time, I held the typical feminist perspective that sexual assault was rampant on college campuses. The angle I chose to run on the story was pretty shoddy journalism looking back at it. I very much was looking to confirm my own bias that the school was not adequately protecting victims. Turns out, that wasn’t the case, and I had to completely change how I approached the story. It turned into more of a story on how the school’s Title IX department worked congruently with the off-campus sexual assault response team. I wish I could go back with the knowledge and perspective I have now and re-do that whole thing. Obviously, they weren’t adequately protecting the rights of the accused.

Korvar · 2022-09-22T17:34:20+00:00

One thing I'm curious about: I read somewhere (and cannot find the reference) that although African-American men make up 5% of University students, they make up 50% of those accused of sexual misconduct in hearings like this.

I would want to see the data to confirm, but I do find myself wondering if that's an aspect that should be brought up.

Does anyone else remember that or am I just confused?

turbulance4 · 2022-09-22T18:50:05+00:00

It's so difficult to be both left wing and a male advocate.

jabberwockxeno · 2022-09-22T20:36:50+00:00

Not that I expect it to change, but there was a public comment period on the rules that ended last week, and this article says that the rules were released in June.

Doesn't that mean that the rules aren't finalized and there may be changes following the end of the public comment period?

McGauth925 · 2022-09-23T16:47:29+00:00

I'll always choose Democrats over Republicans, despite the fact that they're both beholden to their ruling class and corporate campaign donors. And, now the Republicans have gone completely off the rails in all the ways most civilized people deplore.

But, continuing to value and advantage women over men is NOT one of the things I favor about Democrats. And, Biden has been playing up to women for votes for his whole career.

BloomingBrains · 2022-10-01T11:45:12+00:00

That's kind of ironic, considering the things he's been caught doing to women and girls on public cameras.

It boils my blood that guys like me are automatically assumed to be creeps and get no due process, yet a guy like him gets away Scott free with smelling little girls' hair? Like WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!?

Title	Biden administration guts due process protections for students accused of sexual misconduct
Author	a-man-from-earth
Upvotes	138
Comments	49
Date	September 22, 2022 11:50 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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