Examples of Subtle, or Outright, Hostility Towards Men in Left Messaging

OddSeraph · 2025-09-20T19:16:22+00:00

I've noticed an increasing adoption of literal right wing rhetoric.

"If you have one poisoned jellybean in a bowl of regular jellybeans..." Which literally comes from Nazi messaging.

And my favorite which, for some reason none of them see as problematic, a lot of them have taken to calling men who they seem as safe or having the correct views "one of the good ones." Not "a good guy," not "a safe man,". No they insist on "one of the good ones."

I'm Black. Being called "one of the good ones," isn't my cup of tea.

Men expressing any concern of their own reproductive rights is met with essentially "close your legs."

And how we're automatically the scapegoat if a woman isn't popular politically. Stacey Abrams, Kamala, etc. Everyone was so comfortable blaming Black men for their loses but time and time again results show that the majority of Black men come out for them.

So why is the left so comfortable defaulting us as the problem? Why are they so comfortable not even apologizing?

KrvnkKev · 2025-09-20T20:40:36+00:00

The Man vs Bear nonsense. Men feel like its wrong for women to falsely disparage them as generally being a greater potential threat than a bio-machine purpose built by evolution to ~~steal pic-a-nic baskets~~ murder the fuck out of lesser beasts? Well actually giving women the umpteenth opportunity to spew some irrational, emotional, misandristic bullshit under the guise of "venting" was the entire point of the prompt; Your [logical] feelings pale in comparison to their [illogical] feelings.

Edit: I want to add an excerpt from a comment i saved what feels like a lifetime ago that is unfortunately still relevant and articulates what it is that i took issue with as it applies in regard to the Man vs Bear debacle better than i feel i was able to here:

... Women, in general, have very little patience for men's emotions that don't suit their needs. Our emotions aren't really concerned over, except insofar as they affect women. Literally nobody cares if we're sad, depressed, feeling hopeless, defeated, anxious, confused, uncertain, unsure of ourselves, and so forth unless it affects them, in which case it's usually a problem for them. Nobody wants to hear it. Typically it just upsets them because we are less valuable as emotional outlets for their own feelings, less firm rocks in a turbulent sea, or whatever other purposes our emotions may be recruited for. Men's emotions are not *for us*, as they are constantly being hijacked for someone else's needs. ... To ensure men remain useful emotional receptacles, we are punished our entire lives for demonstrating emotion beyond a narrow band of acceptability, typically situational: e.g., we're supposed to be courageous when that is what is required of us, angry when that is what is required of us, loving when that is what is required, and so forth. Anything else is routinely, often brutally shamed.

(full source comment)

The infamous (and thankfully seemingly since removed/updated) "Who We Serve" page on the Democratic party website (archive from around election day).

Edit: I copied this list into ms paint to mess around and see just how badly my own personal, incredibly unremarkable lived experience (straight, white men of sub/urban America around the age of 30ish to 40ish who arent particularly or at all religious and have never really experienced financial security) would ostensibly disqualify me and others like me from "being served by the Democratic party"... If you actually lay it all bare the message that page sent to people like me becomes quite clear. And then we have to pretend its an impossible mystery as to why certain groups swing so hard to supporting the leopards...

The finger wagging lectures that composed a not insignificant portion of the Kamala Harris campaign strategy; Sending Obama around to preemptively scold Black men for being secret misogynists scared of a woman leader should they not already be all in on Harris/Walz while white men got to sit through that fucking White Dudes for Harris slop.

Enzi42 · 2025-09-20T21:11:41+00:00

And then when men inevitably turn against them due to this poor treatment and messaging (because who could have ever seen such a thing coming) the reaction isn't to cut back on the hostility or even to wonder what was done wrong that alienated such a large--and diverse!--group of people.

No, instead there is outrage and wounded fury as if some terrible injustice was done to them.

How dare men not side with the people who view them, regardless of their circumstances, as the oppressor class who must atone for their sins? In fact, this "rebellion" is proof that they weren't being treated harshly enough since they obviously were waiting to spring this betrayal.

Nothing less than aggrieved entitlement.

Even if you try to point out that treating people poorly will result in an unfavorable outcome--not even defending the action of siding with the right, just explaining it in a 1+1=2 kind of way--just enrages them further.

"If poor treatment turns you against us, then you were never an ally at all".

"We shouldn't have to kiss your ass to get you to do the right thing".

"Way to make this about you and your hurt fee fees".

And the list goes on. I learned this way back in 2022 when I repeatedly and foolishly attempted to explain that Andrew Tate and other misogynistic influencers and movements were being fed and strengthened by the socially acceptable misandry and anti male rhetoric that had gripped society for the past 7 to 8 years.

And almost every time I got pushback, not just disagreement but furious outrage that I would dare to bring that up.

The overarching sentiment seemed to be that if boys and men allowed themselves to be led into misogynistic spaces due to women's poor behavior, then those men and boys were always bad, and they deserved the ill treatment in the first place.

Child abuser logic essentially, although I never got angry enough to say that.

It's simultaneously fascinating, enraging and horrifying to watch this same dynamic play out in politics. But I suppose that because there is a lot of overlap in who sided where in the "gender wars" and the left/right side of Western politics, that it makes sense.

EDIT: Not sure if anyone will read this or if it even really contributes to the larger point I was making, but I just felt like elaborating on something since I've never really brought this up before. I want to also add that I cannot take full credit for the following point since it was made by another user on the r/changemyview sub, but it fits in with a lot of my own observations about gender politics and the left/right spectrum. Anyway...

When I mentioned "child abuser logic" in regard to how many feminists and a fair number of left leaning individuals will use the negative reaction to misandry to justify doubling down on the problematic behavior, it was not mere ad hominem or hyperbole but based on factual observations.

There is a certain abusive personality type who will subject their victim(s) to all manner of awful treatment and abuse until the abused party lashes out either verbally, physically or in some combination of both.

Upon receiving this backlash, the abuser will then use that spurt of nasty behavior to justify all the previous abuse, and even worse, use that as justification for continuation or even increase in their atrocities. While abusers of this type will target people of all ages, this is a particularly common trait in those who abuse children and teenagers.

Interestingly enough, it tends to overlap with that "I am the most oppressed in the room, therefore I have the moral high ground to inflict any abusive behavior I want upon you, especially if you are part of the "bad class". Any backlash or even defense on your part is a moral failure; your only option is to meekly accept it attitude that infests leftist movements and thought like a cancer.

_WutzInAName_ · 2025-09-20T19:23:15+00:00

Flip the script: everyone should start saying, “When you’re accustomed to female privilege, equality feels like oppression,” whenever people mock men’s rights.

For example:

Them: “We need to support a woman’s right to choose!”

You: “What about men’s reproductive rights? Shouldn’t men also be able to opt out of unwanted parental responsibilities, like women can?” When they argue back, reply, “Well, when you’re accustomed to female privilege, equality feels like oppression.”

Local-Willingness784 · 2025-09-20T21:46:08+00:00

its pure entitlement, they feel really entitled to male support when they let alone giving any support to men, they just shit and shit on men until that will somehow make us "one of the good ones" as another commenter said, having said that i still think left wing public policy is increasengly the only way to go fowards even if the people who adhere to the ideas (be it out of conviction or moral posturing) even if those people are really stupid at best, politics is not a social club for me, i vote for my interest and the society i want to live in, but i sure as hell dont want to be on the same bad as people who look and treat me as a rabid dog or a dog needing domestication (or having "done the work" as some really stupid people like to say)

nikdahl · 2025-09-21T15:50:46+00:00

Taking the word “incel” and changing the meaning so that they can use it as a pejorative to shame male sexuality (as is tradition)

Or body shaming language like “small dick energy”

eldred2 · 2025-09-20T23:59:40+00:00

"Bernie Bros" comes to mind.

TurkeyFisher · 2025-09-22T16:53:56+00:00

If you are a man on the left you get called a "class reductionist" if you choose to focus on class issues (the issue that effects pretty much everyone) instead of self-flagellating about how you're part of the problem on issues of race/gender/sexuality.

Ironically now you get called a "performative male" for doing that, but trying to be politically active and not trying to focus on universal problems rather than pandering is enough to get you ostracized from many organizations.

SpicyMarshmellow · 2025-09-22T18:07:11+00:00

Honestly, the left was winning the culture war quite handily through the late 90's to early 2010's. We used to dominate the internet, in a way that I think was natural and innate to an open internet. I grew up in a closed off world, where the only narrative available about "others" was that fed to people by their authority figures. That was a world easily subject to bigotry and authoritarianism. When someone got online, those narratives were smashed instantly, upon being freely connected to people from all walks of life all over the world. You didn't have to go out of your way to find the truth. You'd go into any major IRC chat room, find all kinds of people from all kinds of places, and just talk... and the lies people tell each other about other people were simply laid bare.

This switched when the internet became dominated by a handful of major platforms. Those platform began to algorithmically control social connections and information flow, coincidentally, immediately following the Occupy movement. Which I honestly don't believe to be coincidence. Was anyone else around for early Facebook? Remember the variety of connections you would make back then? I ended up following groups based all over the world, learning about events from first-hand sources the moment they happened. Then in the mid-2010's that openness was switched off.

The internet was the greatest threat to bigotry and authoritarianism in the history of the world, and we let them capture it and twist it to their own ends. And I think it's also not a coincidence that the culture war took center stage again a couple years after Occupy.

It's sad to see the modern left fall prey to it just as much as the right. Their perception of other human beings reduced to narratives, which could be easily dispelled as the early internet did if they just talked to people, but they're literally incapable of talking to people they disagree with.

And when it comes to men, they act as if genders are some sort of collective consciousness. As if young men today are literally the same men who abused their grandmothers in the past, and are personally experiencing a loss of privilege that they once personally had, instead of being merely told that people with the same genitals as them were once privileged. And leftist women act as if they have all, personally, experienced being a battered wife in the era of their grandmothers.

A0lipke · 2025-09-22T22:51:14+00:00

I feel like the loosing privilege feels like oppression is a sort of Kafka trap of arguments unless some better test of privilege is involved other than the assertion. It's not necessarily false but I also doubt tests like reversing the sexes for example would be acceptable to people using that argument. Take on it's own merit feeling oppressed is proof of privilege which is clearly absurd. Still a popular argument on baseless assumptions.

Ok_Independence4476 · 2025-09-23T15:16:22+00:00

I think something worth mentioning too, is men still should be voting left. It's annoying, but I've had moments where I've been in arguments with extreme left people that just refuse to acknowledge men have issues or that they care about men's issues until you make them realize that the primary victims of homelessness, police militarization, the prison industrial complex, violent deaths at the hands of a stranger, etc. etc. ... Aren't minorities or women, but rather men as a whole. We usually just pick a specific demographic from that group to highlight those issues like black men when it comes to over-policing, so people think about it as a black issue rather than a male issue even though it blatantly disproportionately targets men in general. The left has reached a point it can't be convinced to care about men, it has always been manipulated into caring about men's issues through the lens of helping some minority group. Which leads to a complete lack of acknowledgement for the fact that the left actually does want to help men... That's just not the actual target and that's what's annoying. It's like they're so close to the mark, but the misandry has reached such a peak that it feels like the left could abandon its whole platform on caring about policing and homelessness over it... Even though it's the best selling point to get men back to the left. Everything is there to demonstrate why the left is the way to go for men, it's just not branded that way or acknowledged because socially the left has been brainwashed into being its own version of sexist and racist. Then there's the annoying shit, the men's issues aspects actually matter the most more than anything when it comes to what is currently wrong with society, but it's like we stopped giving af to push back against policing, incarceration, etc. Then there's also the fact that men weren't included as part of the MeToo movement, made to penetrate doesn't count as rape, and DV statistics showing gender similarity are straight up suppressed and anyone that looks at making such a study or publishing one usually becomes a victim of academic suppression and all sort of threats. It's like society wants to destabilize men, and it's working.

Tyr0neBiggums101 · 2025-09-23T16:04:53+00:00

The mind-boggling aspect is that even if we, for the sake of argument, accept that there is some element of truth to the privilege claim - the overall hostility of the approach is only going to drive these people further to the right.

Treating an ideologically vulnerable and persuadable audience like garbage isn't really a winning tactic.

My_Legz · 2025-09-24T00:36:36+00:00

One question we must be brave enough to ask in leftist spaces is "what policies that specifically benefit men are we willing to champion? Not policies that help men as well as others but policies that are designed to help specifically"

As long as we can't do that leftist spaces aren't being very productive for men as a group

ChimpPimp20 · 2025-09-22T15:39:33+00:00

Everybody has privilege whether they like it or not. None of them want to talk about or even mention it though.

hlanus · 2025-09-26T20:07:47+00:00

I had an email with a colleague over training. We were trying to find a date and time that worked for both of us, and I saw a block of time that neither of us had discussed. I tried it with her and her response opened with "wow I guess you need everything spelled out".

jacobelmosehjordsvar · 2025-09-21T08:17:11+00:00

How progressive should Gen Z be? Do you think it's wrong for them to be conservatives?

Dark_Prince_of_Chaos · 2025-09-24T01:00:22+00:00

Leftists need to distance themselves from liberals, feminists and woke zealots.

They are not on our side and never will.

Liberalism is a right wing ideology, feminists are female supremacists and wokes are professionnal sophists. None of them are left wing.

As long as we don't do that, right wingers will have ammunition to destroy our image.

I'd even argue these groups are right wing Trojan Horses.

onlyaseeker · 2025-09-20T22:39:48+00:00

Like seriously, what privilege do these young boys and men have over women now!?

There's a YouTube playlist that covers some of that.

Another example would be Andrew Tate. Maybe this one isn't a good one but I was under the impression that this guy basically isn't relevant anymore? Am wrong about that?

Yes.

Title	Examples of Subtle, or Outright, Hostility Towards Men in Left Messaging
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