Circumcision Permanently Alters the Brain

ggihhpy · 2024-02-11T05:12:51+00:00

I’m very against circumcision, but this Paul Tinari looks like a massive fraud. You can look him up using Google. There’s an actual school called institute for advanced study. This guy seems to have just started up his own thing with an identical name. He also game himself a PhD for being a renaissance man.

This “study” also doesn’t make a lot of sense. It probably never actually happened. Some guy he knew let them put an infant in an mri “after hours” then he just so happens to know a nurse with a male newborn who is against circumcision but also all for letting one take place in an mri. They also conveniently dismiss any ethical concerns about this despite the procedure being very problematic.

The “study” did unnamed follow up tests one day, one week, one month after the procedure and those test showed the brain was altered. That’s pretty vague. What tests? More fMRIs? This is also a time in any infant’s life when changes are happening.

But, aww shucks, in come the ethics people to shut down the publication!

Anyway, circumcision is unnecessary and unethical but this blog post is just a work of fiction masquerading as science

Realistic_W8974 · 2024-02-10T19:37:54+00:00

What are the long term personality effects?

Keats852 · 2024-02-10T18:49:39+00:00

It needs to be outlawed everywhere. I feel mutilated and violated from birth

fasterpastor2 · 2024-02-10T22:36:13+00:00

Yeah, surgery at a very young age causes trauma similar to being molested. Never thought of this but it makes sense

HumbleAd1720 · 2024-02-10T21:37:58+00:00

I was snipped at birth and while I personally don't have a problem with it in the slightest, I will never do it to my infant boy (If I'm ever blessed with one haha).

lastlaugh100 · 2024-02-10T19:08:43+00:00

People who promote genital mutilation of children fall into three categories:

They profit from it.
They are a mother and mutilated their sons and don't want to admit they caused harm.
They are a mutilated father and have adamant father syndrome.

If we can remove the profit motive that would take away at least one of those legs. Don't let insurance pay for it, let parents pay out of pocket for the mutilation. In states where Medicaid doesn't cover it the numbers go down.

LoomisKnows · 2024-02-11T00:46:27+00:00

Trauma does tend to enlarge to Amygdala, which is your fear centre, so this makes perfect sense. There's also a critical period of time in children where they are especially impressionable. It's been a while since Neuro 1 but if I remember correctly if you put an eye patch on a kitten during the critical period it will never be able to function with both eyes the same way.

I'll be curious to see how they pursue this research

serious-history-1861 · 2024-02-11T03:52:08+00:00

Of course, it's an extremely traumatic and unnatural and painful event during the first hours of life.

But because it happens to male babies, no one cares and it's just "a thing." And you're a misogynistic incel if you disagree with it.

True-Lychee · 2024-02-11T05:52:13+00:00

I thought it was common knowledge that extreme trauma in childhood has lifelong implications for the brain.

CabbDeSav · 2024-02-11T01:39:14+00:00

Important preface, I don’t support circumcision. But this link you provided is all anecdotal and has no actual results nor is it reliable in any way it seems. I would love to be able to see actually data and results from an experiment like this.

damondan · 2024-02-11T10:18:57+00:00

not saying that it might not alter the brain permanently but

what kind of source it this? you can't even call this a study

i think "information" like this shouldn't be postulated as truth this haphazardly

CawlinAlcarz · 2024-02-11T14:45:54+00:00

There is money to be made from circumcision. Predominantly, this money is generated in the cosmetic industry, making women's facial creams - yeah, the dark jokes seem to write themselves, don't they?

As a result, the disinformation campaign is constantly firing on all cylinders around "the benefits" of performing circumcision.

It will take legitimate, focused, legislative effort here in the west to get the healthcare industry to stop lying to people about it and to get the procedure relegated to the "rare exception where it actually becomes medically necessary" frequency that it belongs.

In short: male suffering leads to large amounts of money for people serving female vanity, and THAT is why circumcision is still as common as it is, despite actual evidence that there is only rare actual medical need for it.

C0sm1cB3ar · 2024-02-11T06:03:40+00:00

Ban it, simple as that

PsionicShift · 2024-02-11T11:05:19+00:00

It’s a barbaric practice that needs to be outlawed unless it’s absolutely medically necessary.

ConditionedStrength · 2024-02-11T01:33:15+00:00

One day, one week, one month.

While these results are interesting, it's just not enough of a time span.

ArtemisDarklight · 2024-02-11T18:08:28+00:00

Honestly, outside of legit medical necessity, circumcision should be illegal until the person is old enough to decide if they want one or not.

tghjfhy · 2024-02-11T01:26:03+00:00

Not a good source lol

Radiant-Concentrate5 · 2024-02-11T01:14:03+00:00

I’m an American woman and have been very very against circumcision for many years. I grew up sheltered and at first never dated in the States, only in Europe.

European men had a romantic and emotionally vulnerable side to them I’d never encountered. In general they didn’t seem to “shut down/close off” their emotions the way American men do.

And when I came back to America and dated American men for the first time I could tell a difference in their enjoyment of sex. It was obvious they had less physical sensation. (From my very limited experience tbf)

I researched circumcision and it was hard to find information back then, but I was shocked just how much it affects the psyche as well as the physical body. It is horrific.

As a side note, I’m a Christian, and the Bible is very clear that circumcision is now unnecessary, because Jesus shed his own blood. But also, in the Old Testament, it was done on day 8 when blood has much more clotting factor and baby has spent many hours bonding/breastfeeding, and also it was literally just the top of the foreskin trimmed off. Not barbarically sliced off all around the glans at birth the way it is today.

Circumcision makes me sick to my stomach. Literally, over my dead body would a son of mine be circumcised.

When my last daughter was born, we (as always) refused to allow her to be separated from us. They needed to do a test on her in a room parents usually aren’t allowed in, but we put our foot down and the nurse allowed us to go in with her.

While in there I saw a little board with a tiny baby-shaped impression on it. It was stained at the crotch area. It had tiny arm and leg restraints. It still haunts me. It makes me livid, and it grieves me that this was done to my husband when he was a tiny baby.

Ever expecting Mother I know, I do my best to educate her and convince her not to circumcise. I wish I could do more.

Asamiya1978 · 2024-02-10T20:44:15+00:00

A serious study about the relationship between cluster B personality disorders and circumcision should be made. I have been suspecting for years that there is a link between those two.

I firmly believe that the mind is not only in the brain but in the whole nervous system. I suspect that the nerves they cut when they mutilate the children are related to empathy. Maybe ancient people knew that and they did it on purpose to transform male babies into cold soldiers. All the cultures in which circumcision has been applied are well known for being invasive and aggressive. Peaceful cultures never did that.

periodicchemistrypun · 2024-02-11T05:11:28+00:00

It’s a noticeable part of the nervous system and was often an anti masturbation surgery.

This shouldn’t be a surprise

Blockstr_ · 2024-02-11T16:00:13+00:00

Men throughout history have been getting circumcised, a large amount are geniuses, this has nothing to do with men’s rights, but rather with ethics. It’s the same question as abortion, for the baby has not a choice.

Unlikely-Gas-1355 · 2024-02-11T02:37:14+00:00

Then, it should be trivial to:

Show whether or not the effects are detrimental or not;
Demonstrate such effects are statistically significant; and
Have such results reproduced in independently conducted studies established, run, and assessed by independent research teams using a double-blind, if not triple-blind, methodology.

Until then, there's nothing scientifically meaningful in this assertion.

TakeshiNobunaga · 2024-02-10T23:48:31+00:00

I call bs. Its like vaccines causing autism. Not circumcised, not planning to do so for me or descendant, and also not proved scientifically by multiple people.

Just pull the skin down and wash under it with soap and hot water while you take a shower, don't be dirty.

And also you retain sensibility without need to use creams or gels to moisturise what had natural lubrication.

chartporn · 2024-02-11T10:58:59+00:00

The "study" described by this doctor was incredibly unethical, and any trauma incurred by the infant was more likely caused by their experiment than the circumcision.

we did not feel it was necessary to seek any permission to carry out this study

If this was done in the US they would have been sanctioned by the IRB

We also completely immobilized the infant’s head using standard surgical tape

Indeed accurate MRI images require complete immobility. I cannot imagine how much surgical tape it would take to immobilize an infants head while performing a circumcision using an obsidian blade. I cannot imagine walking in and seeing this horrendous scene.

a sterilized obsidian bade to cut the foreskin. No anesthetic was used

Performing circumcision without local anesthesia is considered unethical by the medical community.

any attempt to study the adverse effects of circumcision was strictly prohibited by the ethical regulations

This is simply untrue. What is unethical is to perform such studies on a whim without review board approval.

I would be inclined to submit this to the board of medicine to review this person's medical license, if I believed it actually happened, which I do not.

Other-Medium5577 · 2024-02-10T18:15:11+00:00

That's not a study. PhD my azz. It was an n of 1 patient, and we have no idea who read the report. It needs a masked observer reading and it needs a control group and an n of hundreds. It's not even "a start" of a scientific study.

AnonymousLilly · 2024-02-10T23:14:19+00:00

Sounds believable /s

ButchDeanCA · 2024-02-10T23:52:44+00:00

I had infant circumcision and I’m fine. You literally don’t remember anything from that young!

Nearby_Appearance289 · 2024-02-11T02:38:54+00:00

I was and still am circumcised for medical reasons when I was younger. 1 or 2 probably younger. It was my parents choice as I couldn't clean or go to the toilet properly as if I remember right my glands would swell up and get trapped and id cry in pain etc. So going through the NHS I had my foreskin removed, besides my little amigo being in a "scared turtle position" everything else works fine I guess. The rest of me not to sure issues all over some known others not so much due to my pain tolerance.

I do understand that people hate it and say religious views be dammed. It's how it is. But I'm certain as long as its done in a safe, stable environment that is clean by professionals doing the deed. But if I'm honest this whole discussion I'm on the fence about it.

Overall medically yes if its needed or the best option as for other reasons I personally don't know.

Now linking back to op writing. I have anxiety to the point it cripples me ,I'm constantly a bit depressed but that's because of other issues that happened to me. Not because my little amigo lost his sombrero. Why did I write it like that no idea.

pianovirgin6902 · 2024-02-10T23:15:00+00:00

You guys don't get circumcised? 🤣

Federal-Repair-9635 · 2024-02-10T21:10:52+00:00

Hmm. Agree to disagree. I don't feel hurt or any other feelings about it. I like the way I look and don't see anything wrong with it. Sounds like 1st world problems we all having.

Pudgelover69 · 2024-02-10T20:07:50+00:00

Look, I’m telling ya right now this is bogus. I was circumcised as a baby. It was fine. I’ve got a wife, we’re going to have kids and I’m an engineer. I’m very successful and my brain is fine. If you don’t want to do it don’t do it but don’t force people not to do it. And btw, my wife thinks my D looks incredible, all 8” of it.

EitherLime679 · 2024-02-11T19:50:31+00:00

I think in the long run circumcision helps. Lots of guys have terrible hygiene, and having an uncircumcised dick is just a very delicate area that boys are not going to clean. Lots of uncut men don’t clean it and it’s up getting infected and causing lots of issues.

tbu987 · 2024-02-11T00:58:45+00:00

and does it benefit the child further on in life or not? It feels like reddit does everything in their power to complain about something and suppress any sort of results that may harm their bias.

Chispy · 2024-02-11T12:54:52+00:00

Questionable study but I feel like it deserves more serious efforts into understanding because it would be big if true.

femalevolence · 2024-02-12T16:25:00+00:00

Circumcision is a mark of slavery to a system. It's a barbaric, savage procedure (horrific and appalling when done in a specific religious setting) that, of course, affects the brain and continues to affect the developing brain. Also, the more informed one is about this procedure (especially if he was personally a victim) the more psychologically affected one becomes. On a side note, I've noticed that trauma sometimes manifests as a rabid advocation for this procedure and the entities that imposed it upon him.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-02-18T09:02:03+00:00

Just got banned from new sub. There was an article about a woman being prosecuted for arranging her daughters circumcision.

Of course everyone was outraged. I pointed out that boys can still be legally circumcised.

Of course lots of idiots still pretend male circumcision is harmless, only female circumcison if harmful.

Title	Circumcision Permanently Alters the Brain
Author	ggleblanc2
Upvotes	553
Comments	254
Date	February 10, 2024 5:55 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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