Um... no, not "countless men." It's included in the OP. It would benefit 1/3rd men and 2/3rd women at the expensive (at least immediately) of taxpayers... which are mostly men.
It would benefit mostly women at the expense of mostly men.
Also, no, it wouldn't benefit "mostly poor people." Is it your understanding that, on average, people with college loans are "poor people"?
I've seen posts here complaining about how 2/3 of college graduates are female; and now I see people countering the elimination of student debt with the argument that most men will have to pay for a benefit that mostly females enjoy?
The main reason that most men make the decision not to go to college is
A: Because they earned too low a grade to get into college regardless of expenses,
or
B: Can't afford to go to college.
In the first group, nothing can be done to get these men into college, they simply lack the capability. Sanders' plan aims to help the second group, those who are intellectually sufficient to get into college, but lack the financial capital. More women enroll in college than men because of the cost of college, and how men are traditionally the breadwinners in many households. It is simply just implausible for these men to both pay for college (a price that has skyrocketed in the last few years) and remain financially solvent. If Bernie's plan was enacted, then all men would be free to go to college with no financial burden put upon them.
Also, to mention a previous comment in this thread, the actual ration of students in college is 43:57, meaning that the difference between the two genders is marginal; and unless the student has a trust fund or is smart enough to get a complete scholarship, any kind of college will end up with the student accruing some kind of debt.
To conclude, it really is "countless men" when you look at the raw numbers. According to Forbes, 15,000,000 men owe a "significant amount" of student debt in America alone. That's almost 10% of the entire male population of the US, and this is not counting the amount of students that are soon to graduate or enter college.
(really, this is an issue totally separate from male rights, so bringing this up at an attempt to rouse women voters is slightly disingenuous.)
No, those are not the only "main" reasons. Some people simply do not see value in college, thinks college is toxic and antimale, and many other reasons why they don't think college is worth it.
Because they earned too low a grade
there are colleges with open admissions dude
Sanders' plan aims to help the second group
You mean Sander's other plan? Whereby he gives free college to women, the majority of students?
Yeah, that, too, will benefit more women than men and that, too, will be paid for by men to benefit women.
If Bernie's plan was enacted, then all men would be free to go to college with no financial burden put upon them.
you mean other than increases taxes which mostly men pay?
To conclude, it really is "countless men" when you look at the raw numbers.
it's literally countable and when we actually do count and compare, it is mostly men paying for mostly women
this exact policy is mostly men paying when mostly women will get the benefit
the actual ratio of students in college is 43:57, meaning that the difference between the two genders is marginal
It's not as gendered as people seem to think. It's like how everyone assumes the majority of women are pro choice when the opposite is true. Turns out people vote based on which party the candidate is in instead of which genitals they have. Still not as nice as voting based on the issues, but hey, baby steps.
This is what it looks like when someone is trying to BUY a presidential election. Instead of bribing with his own money though, he's literally bribing you with your own money.
I'll graduate in a year with ~$70K in student debt. Please don't "cancel" it. As much as I'd love the short-term convenience, destroying education in the long term is absolutely not worth it.
Yes. There have been cases of students across the US suing schools for defunct programs/accreditation. I do not know enough about this subject of the law to give you better information. I would contact a lawyer to get a free consultation.
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notice the hashtag is #CancelStudentDebt and not #CancelOnlyWomensStudentDebt
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which means benefiting mostly women at the cost of mostly men
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Um... no, not "countless men." It's included in the OP. It would benefit 1/3rd men and 2/3rd women at the expensive (at least immediately) of taxpayers... which are mostly men.
It would benefit mostly women at the expense of mostly men.
Also, no, it wouldn't benefit "mostly poor people." Is it your understanding that, on average, people with college loans are "poor people"?
lol
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I've seen posts here complaining about how 2/3 of college graduates are female; and now I see people countering the elimination of student debt with the argument that most men will have to pay for a benefit that mostly females enjoy?
The main reason that most men make the decision not to go to college is
A: Because they earned too low a grade to get into college regardless of expenses,
or
B: Can't afford to go to college.
In the first group, nothing can be done to get these men into college, they simply lack the capability. Sanders' plan aims to help the second group, those who are intellectually sufficient to get into college, but lack the financial capital. More women enroll in college than men because of the cost of college, and how men are traditionally the breadwinners in many households. It is simply just implausible for these men to both pay for college (a price that has skyrocketed in the last few years) and remain financially solvent. If Bernie's plan was enacted, then all men would be free to go to college with no financial burden put upon them.
Also, to mention a previous comment in this thread, the actual ration of students in college is 43:57, meaning that the difference between the two genders is marginal; and unless the student has a trust fund or is smart enough to get a complete scholarship, any kind of college will end up with the student accruing some kind of debt.
To conclude, it really is "countless men" when you look at the raw numbers. According to Forbes, 15,000,000 men owe a "significant amount" of student debt in America alone. That's almost 10% of the entire male population of the US, and this is not counting the amount of students that are soon to graduate or enter college.
(really, this is an issue totally separate from male rights, so bringing this up at an attempt to rouse women voters is slightly disingenuous.)
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No, those are not the only "main" reasons. Some people simply do not see value in college, thinks college is toxic and antimale, and many other reasons why they don't think college is worth it.
there are colleges with open admissions dude
You mean Sander's other plan? Whereby he gives free college to women, the majority of students?
Yeah, that, too, will benefit more women than men and that, too, will be paid for by men to benefit women.
you mean other than increases taxes which mostly men pay?
it's literally countable and when we actually do count and compare, it is mostly men paying for mostly women
this exact policy is mostly men paying when mostly women will get the benefit
a 14 point difference to you is "marginal"?
you're a dishonest partisan dude
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"slightly larger"
2/3 is not "slightly larger" than 1/3
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It's not as gendered as people seem to think. It's like how everyone assumes the majority of women are pro choice when the opposite is true. Turns out people vote based on which party the candidate is in instead of which genitals they have. Still not as nice as voting based on the issues, but hey, baby steps.
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This is what it looks like when someone is trying to BUY a presidential election. Instead of bribing with his own money though, he's literally bribing you with your own money.
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Aaaand.... An ex-Bernie Sanders fan is born. Are there any secret handshakes or coded winks that I should know about?
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I'll graduate in a year with ~$70K in student debt. Please don't "cancel" it. As much as I'd love the short-term convenience, destroying education in the long term is absolutely not worth it.
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Sue the college for fraud.
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Yes. There have been cases of students across the US suing schools for defunct programs/accreditation. I do not know enough about this subject of the law to give you better information. I would contact a lawyer to get a free consultation.
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