What does this sound like?

unexpecteditem · 2013-03-27T00:06:06+00:00

I keep forgetting not to murder.

youlleatitandlikeit · 2013-03-27T06:43:44+00:00

Okay, here's the thing.

Non-consensual, forced sex is rape.

There's no equivalent crime that I know of for any other kind of action.

So rape is like this weird thing, because sometimes one person has sex with another person, and it is okay, and sometimes one person has sex with another person, and it is not okay.

In nearly every other kind of crime, there is some kind of convincing evidence that the crime has taken place. For example, if someone steals from me he may have that stolen item in his possession, or it may be possible to trace it back to them if it was sold to someone else. At the very least, I can provide some evidence of lost property, and perhaps evidence that this person was somehow involved.

Or if someone beats the crap out of me, it may still be a he said-she said type situation but at least it is agreed that probably I did not ask or desire to have the crap beat out of me.

A lot of rapes aren't committed because the evidence is insufficient. Usually, it's not that they don't have evidence that sex occurred between the accuser and accused, but rather there is insufficient evidence that it was non-consensual.

When people say that people should be taught not to rape, they mean something different than simply, "They should be taught that illegal behavior is illegal." Everyone know, from a tautological perspective, that illegal behavior is illegal.

Very few people who rape do so according to the movie-style, capital R rape with the holding and the screaming and the struggling and running and so. Most of the time, it's either sex where one of the participants is too intoxicated to consent, or where the sex is forced but not through overt violence.

In a lot of these cases, the individual might not be thinking of what they are doing as rape. They might think, "Well, we were making out, and we were naked, and she said she didn't want to have sex, but when I started anyway, she didn't fight me off or scream no, so she must not have minded."

The goal is not to teach people "Don't rape, raping is bad." The goal is to say, "Don't sex in a manner where the other person is not consenting or can't consent." And I don't particularly hold to the idea that it must be verbal...there are other ways to indicate interest or consent in sex.

"Teaching people not to rape" also means things like teaching them to respect boundaries and privacy, to know what sort of language is or isn't appropriate to say to someone in different contexts, and to respect that when someone says no that you should not push or force them.

unexpecteditem · 2013-03-26T23:51:53+00:00

An analogy.

utrocker · 2013-03-27T00:04:10+00:00

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mctcwfhSfa1rezfpgo1_500.jpg

charedj · 2013-03-27T02:51:15+00:00

...But we are taught to not murder.

brockboland · 2013-03-27T00:05:24+00:00

I don't know much about the Bible, but I'm pretty sure they included that one in the big ten.

ObsidianOverlord · 2013-03-26T23:51:51+00:00

I don't hear anything.

JavaPants · 2013-03-27T03:17:21+00:00

Ugh, I can't believe all these men keep promoting murder culture.

typhonblue · 2013-03-27T02:45:17+00:00

Shit. You mean it's not okay to murder?

Well there goes Saturday's entertainment!

Eulabeia · 2013-03-27T01:47:04+00:00

Not enough blaming men.

Jero79 · 2013-03-27T09:08:07+00:00

Thou shalt not kill.

2013-03-27T12:21:42+00:00

And if you don't constantly tell everyone that murder is bad then you support murder.

-every feminist ever

DerickBurton · 2013-03-27T12:38:55+00:00

Are we talking about rap culture? God, I hate those rappers.

2013-03-27T13:35:19+00:00

We live in a murder culture. Look at all the murder there is in the media! It shows that our society condones murder.

jonnytechno · 2013-03-27T15:24:39+00:00

I'm SO scared, all these potential murderers around me and I'm therefore SO vulnerable.

shrodingerstherapist · 2013-03-27T11:12:26+00:00

Murder culture.

2013-03-27T18:47:18+00:00

This sub is not very good at producing infographics.

blueoak9 · 2013-03-27T19:24:11+00:00

Sounds like someone who was raised to be a psychopath.

spiral527 · 2013-03-31T04:56:55+00:00

Sounds like someone is not taking into account the fact that murderers will likely murder the same number of people no matter how much you tell them not to, but telling the people who may get murdered to be wary of people or things that seem suspicious or self defense enhancement as a good thing actually will affect how much they get murdered.

ThatCynicalCynicism · 2013-03-27T14:18:59+00:00

It sounds like propaganda designed to instill a certain type of indignation and paranoia.

iMADEthis2post · 2013-03-27T14:37:03+00:00

I like to think of it as population control.

Safety_Dancer · 2013-03-27T07:16:40+00:00

I have zero problems with the whole don't rape people thing. We do have a mildly retarded society that hasn't figured out how to handle rape. We have legislators who don't understand the biological implications of rape.

Considering the shithole third world countries that have a lot of rape and misogyny in their culture I feel the whole "teach your sons to not rape" is a perfectly reasonable thing.

DesireMyFire · 2013-03-27T06:52:07+00:00

A circle jerk...

Title	What does this sound like?
Author	utrocker
Upvotes	270
Comments	75
Date	March 26, 2013 11:32 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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