There’s a definite rift within both groups and a very clear rift between the groups and those on the outside. The “OG” followers of both toolboxes, despite one being relatively new, balk at the criticism because that toolbox (FDS and TRP) is more than just familiar to them it was and often still is a comfort. So for the older followers they see the criticism as a personal attack on something beneficial, the newer meme here are in a more unique position. For the latter, it’s a lack of any true direction and healing, they focus more on anger, generalized vengeance, less on self improvement and more on self pity. Where do the outsiders, outliers and no pill or Blue Pill people come in? They’re seeing the fringes, the extremes, the bs and they’re not seeing what both toolboxes could be are their core. So is it any wonder that people have such massive misunderstandings? And the people who have followed the longest are at odds with those on the outside because they’re not seeing the original followers, the original followers are often on the more grumpy side and won’t explain their positions. Sure you don’t have to do that, but it removes the human element so it makes it difficult to see the followers or FDS or TRP as individuals rather than one entity. But the biggest flaw of both is their unwillingness to accept constructive criticism of themselves and the fringe that grows bigger. If the outsiders and outliers can take constructive criticism, can’t you?