How can we realistically make things better for men and women?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-07-09T23:21:39+00:00

You can't. Male and female sexual nature are mutually incompatible. The best way it was handled has been as a mutual trade off, not as an attempt to make both happy simultaneously. All women cannot have "best men". all Men cannot have harems of teen girls.

Shipcake · 2017-07-09T22:08:36+00:00

Ending the welfare state, and gutting zoning restrictions on housing/high density units/building up and wide.

There's a reason houses in Texas, in highly populated areas are so cheap. Because it's a build morherfucker build policy we break for no one policy.

As for the welfare state it will force, via economic insentives family formation. Prior to the welfare state the family then the community was the only mode of welfare. Being a good parent meant your kids will take care of you when you're older.

And since women soak up 100k of government services in average of their lifetime this would be a massive economic blow to women. It will force them either into jobs they don't want to do or into marriage. So the sexual rewards in society will go to productive men dads instead of chads, and if men value chastity then the most economically successful men will go for chaste women. Not saying chads won't do well, upper class ones will have a boom but lower class chads will suffer.

Butt-Factory · 2017-07-09T20:44:26+00:00

Universal basic income and affordable housing would do wonders

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-07-09T20:42:01+00:00

kill all chads
let women reproduce with the leftover non-chads
repeat

after several hundred years of this sustained selection women are no longer attracted to chad only. Problem solved

sweet_samsara · 2017-07-10T18:11:17+00:00

Legalize prostitution for beta bucks and nice guys and encourage their use. Sex really needs to be a common commodity, that way getting into relationships will be much less about having sex for them.

despisedlove2 · 2017-07-09T21:14:19+00:00

It is now well known that it is a zero sum game since the aims of the two genders are different.

squidracer · 2017-07-09T21:57:38+00:00

Everyone gets a puppy

quotient_is · 2017-07-10T02:05:53+00:00

I'm going to latch onto your mention of sex ED here. Teaching kids how to adequately delay reproduction makes a HUGE difference in poverty for everyone. Single mothers are poor, their children grow up poor and their exes are shackled to child support payments.

The states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are easily some of the poorest in the nation, they vehemently oppose any reality based sex education and demonize abortion to the point of making it damn near unattainable.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/teen-pregnancy-prevention.aspx

That dark blue section of the country desperately needs a wake up call in regard to human sexuality. I live here. Easily a quarter of the girls I went to highschool with ended up pregnant before graduation. The sex ED at my public school involved being bussed to a local church, looking at slides of diseased genitalia and signing abstinence pledges. Clearly the shit does not work.

A fun addendum, one of the girls in my year was impregnated by her cousin at thirteen and gave birth to a child with down syndrome. I wish I was kidding.

EsauTheRed · 2017-07-10T02:08:00+00:00

I don't understand people who advocate for social welfare in the abstract, yet are completely cutthroat in dating and their personal lives, other then perhaps as a way to make more comfortable those with unsavory lifestyles.

More antagonistic culture -> lower social trust -> no welfare, you can't have organic feelings of altruism in this kind of vicious, competitive society, you can't have it both ways.

Haksel257 · 2017-07-10T02:32:53+00:00

Health and happiness! Less pollution!

You can teach all of the BS sex-ed you want. Unhealthy kids with shitty parents (or lack there-of), eating processed "food", influenced by behaviorally-challenged social circles, living in an indoor, unnaturally lit environment... they simply don't live and learn, no matter what you throw at them.

Start with the basics. Support a human and its physiology. The rest will come.

There's a hidden epidemic of low sex hormone production and high stress hormone production. Fix that, pls...

andrewisgood · 2017-07-09T22:51:03+00:00

Universal healthcare makes things work decent in most countries. Not hating people who are different from you.

It's bananas that sex ed in schools is this suggestion instead of this being the norm.

aHugeGapingAsshole · 2017-07-09T23:57:35+00:00

Destroy the internet.

rulenumber303 · 2017-07-10T00:02:45+00:00

A decent social safety net so people never completely lose the ability to better their situation.

Dominic_Badguy · 2017-07-10T05:36:59+00:00

I think it all starts at childhood. Prepare children for the future by having a far greater focus on sexual education that goes beyond the biology. So talk about dating and stuff like that. I mean it is strange how there is sex education but not really any dating education. You are kind of expected to figure that out for yourself. But from what I have observed people need to learn about dating as much as they need to learn about sex.

Encourage boys and girls to play and work together in school more often. Separating genders creates an "us v them" mentality growing up. Because if you keep drumming into impressionable kids minds about how different boys and girls are most of them will probably still believe that when they are 20 with awful social skills.

morsthepalerider · 2017-07-10T14:01:39+00:00

On a societal level take financial goverment support completely out of the family. Provide realistic and much better sex ed in schools including topics on contraception, and family planning, and also impress on the negative consequences of pregnancy to younger less financially stable people. Level the playing field in terms of reproductive rights for both sexes and provide the same legal protections to both sexes. I would also end forced or compelled child support in all but a few circumstances, and look at each situation on a case by case basis.

On a more communal and individual level, everyone needs to start taking more responsibility and accountability for their actions. Ladies that means no longer fucking everyone with impunity and blaming men for your bad choices. Gentlemen, the same goes for you, you have unprotected sex indiscriminately you get to pay the bill when it comes due.

ZombieWifeFoCo · 2017-07-11T04:33:23+00:00

To Girls: Guys worry too. They get nervous about asking a girl out, or looking a certain way. The fears are there.

To Guys: She worries too. Girls get nervous being around guys or asking them out. They worry about looking a certain way. The fears are there.

To both: Be excellent to each other. Treat the other like a human. Give without expecting anything in return. Be prepared to get your heart broken. A lot.

Honestly? It's about open communication and dropping manipulation tactics. Some of us don't learn that until later in life.

These are things I would tell my younger self.

And.... "That geeky guy you never looked at twice grew up to be nice looking and is smart and funny too."

SeemedGood · 2017-07-11T17:54:49+00:00

Both men and women can strive to become more objectively self-observant, more introspective, and more objectively self-critical and thus become more conscious.

As women have woven the (Western) societal structure to relieve them of much of life's natural adversity which often leads one to an internal consciousness raising path, they need more of the above than men, but we all need it.

OurThrownAwayDreams · 2017-07-11T23:06:54+00:00

you can't MAKE the system better for everyone, what's better for one is worse for some.

you want to make things better? do it yourself. make yourself better.

the best we can do for both men and women is to set them straight by teaching them the realities of dating, sexual strategies, and stop lying about what each sex want and come clean.

tell men to lift, tell men to derive their values from the things they enjoy doing, not from women. tell men to build themselves a fortress so they can be its king. tell men to start adding values to their lives. stop showing men "tricks" to get women and show them ways to make them respect themselves first (by putting in the work, setting realistic goals, and set them on a trajectory of success)

tell women to wise up. tell women to pick guys carefully (that means to give both chad and beta joe equal amount of vetting time, no preferential treatments). tell women to not just rely on her vagina to lock down a man. remind women of the strength in femininity and dissuade them from directly competing against men.

ultimately it's all about personal responsibility. and dont give me that defeatist "BUT THEY ARENT DOING IT SO WHY SHOULD I DO IT?"

being a good, responsible, and contributing individual in a society is not a fad or a group project. you have to do it even if most people don't. because if you don't then the world just lost another responsible human being. if you do, there's a slight chance that others might pick up on it and look to you as a shining example on how to live. be the candle, because we're all living in the dark.

im sure ive made a few cynics cringe with this post, heh.

notworthmuch20xx · 2017-07-09T20:29:21+00:00

Does anyone have a realistic proposal?

Make something like TRP super popular. Preferably with the emphasis on what to do and not the lousy explanations for why

fredgravy · 2017-07-09T21:05:03+00:00

Get men to man the fuck up..

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Date	July 9, 2017 6:26 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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