How compelling do you find the cheeseburger arguement?

SunflowerBurst · 2020-02-14T06:31:27+00:00

That's a bad analogy.

A better one would be to look at a 12 year old who when told he could have anything for dinner chooses cheeseburgers and ice cream. That kid grows up, develops adult taste buds, and would now prefer a rare ribeye steak with a good cab sauv.

Are they "settling" for ribeye, just because their irst choice was cheeseburgers 10 years ago?

Tyler_Gatsby · 2020-02-14T04:02:56+00:00

I'm fine with her being an ex slut, (to some degree) but I think the cheeseburger analogy is shit. I mean if you tell me I can only eat your cheeseburger from now on, I'm probably fine with that as long as we're making them like we want them.

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-02-14T03:24:47+00:00

Most people don't gorge themselves on burgers until they become obese and then quit cold turkey.

Most people live normal relatively healthy lifestyles with an occasional burger even if that means as needing to spend a little bit more time at the gym.

nosynobody · 2020-02-14T05:38:36+00:00

Isn't this human nature the logic for women thus is avoid pickup artists, men with high n count, cheaters, men who solicit etc.

flamingoinghome · 2020-02-14T03:45:13+00:00

I completely agree, which is why I will advise my daughters to avoid guys who waste their youths stewing in bitterness, acting out Stephen Crane poems, thinking that their isolation and lack of socialization makes them "better" than other people, and then discover the Red Pill and slap a coat of bullshit atop their neuroses and inhibitions while still being naked and bestial. That's not what I want for them. What is bred in the bone comes out in the flesh.

Salty-Bastard · 2020-02-14T03:24:16+00:00

People experience things, people grow, what people don't like to do is take responsibility for their previous actions.

SunflowerBurst · 2020-02-14T03:40:41+00:00

I do not think casual sex for women is like cheeseburgers. McDonald’s cheeseburgers are reliable in that you always know what you’re getting, and you may not have a gourmet cheeseburger but you are guaranteed a McDonald’s cheeseburger and that is good in its own way. They are much more reliable in terms of satisfaction than casual sex is for women, since many women do not actually get satisfaction out of casual sex.

If FDS is any indication, more women than many suspected were just doing casual sex to try to secure more from guys, not because it was a pleasure in its own right.

I imagine casual sex would be more like going to hole in the wall restaurant in Mexico and rolling the dice, the food and water might be amazing or just ok or might be terrible.

Or in the case of just doing it to appeal to the male imperative, casual sex is like buying some cheap bad quality cake from the supermarket for some corporate birthday that you have to eat out of politeness.

If a fast food cheeseburger is a reliable comfort food, if it had to be compared to sex it would be more comparable to either regular married sex after a long time, or maybe a quickie with your spouse. Casual sex is not reliable for women. So it would be more like, “your girlfriend once went to Mexico and one restaurant was really good Mexican food and the second restaurant burned her mouth and emptied out her insides for a week” and you’re worrying she’s going to run back to Mexico even though you are the human version of West Texas and you have pretty damn good Mexican food yourself that does not make any American sick.

ukraniankranium · 2020-02-14T03:39:03+00:00

Aren't you negating all self improvement this way? If a beta guy wants to help himself, a woman should be cautious in case he reverts to beta ways?

wtknight · 2020-02-14T11:55:56+00:00

I smoked cigarettes for a couple of years in college, quit when I was 20, and am in my mid-40s now and have not had a cigarette since and regret that I was ever a smoker. I also tried casual sex once and hated it.

I think that the most important thing is a woman’s attitude towards behaviors in her past. If she regrets that one time she had casual sex then I wouldn’t hold it against her. If she was having a great time having no strings attached sex and then suddenly developed a distaste for it because she wants a relationship, then that’s a different story. So in regards to the analogy, if she was loving cheeseburgers, suddenly quits, and then looks fondly back on her time eating cheeseburgers, then I think that the analogy holds. If she regrets her cheeseburger eating period, then perhaps a man should look at her situation differently and attempt to assess if she actually has changed.

With that being said, I personally would prefer to play it safe and avoid women who ever had a lot of casual sex.

NarniaFox · 2020-02-14T03:25:51+00:00

People tend not to trust people with high amount of ex partners, whether they are men or women, so your example can be applied to both genders.

WicGoingAnonymous · 2020-02-14T04:08:26+00:00

The point of the analogy is focusing on the proclivity of people to return to their preferred habits, whether or not they are healthy, the likelihood of that person maintain their new diet etc. Does a leopard change their spots etc.

The issue i.m.o. would be that fucking around isn't going to be the prefered habits of most women, even those that fuck around. Women aren't men.

It's more like... They ate cheeseburgers a lot because their friends ate cheeseburgers, media told them that eating cheeseburgers is desirable, their hormones are telling them to eat cheeseburgers, people keep saying that eating cheeseburgers is cool, their boyfriends tell them that if they don't eat cheeseburgers that his cheeseburger will spoil then, ...

And at one point they grow up and it's "Wtf kind of peer pressure bullshit was I into??? I don't even like cheeseburgers... I'm lactose intolerant and they give me gas!!!".

And then they start eating what they really like.

And offcourse there are women that really like screwing around. But they are the exception because the nature of female sexuality and what it takes to get us off is often times incompatible with screwing lots of different guys.

SkookumTree · 2020-02-14T03:21:54+00:00

How long has it been?

throwawayhouseissue1 · 2020-02-14T03:24:21+00:00

You do know that if you get obese you permanently damaged your body, and i'm not just talking scars and stretch marks, I mean liver damage, cardiovascular changes, and on and on.

So to follow your own analogy, yes, you can get healthier from being obese (frequent casual sex to none or rare in your analogy?) but that doesn't change what you did in the past and how that changed your thoughts and beliefs. You can't just say, well I am skinny now, so everything is fine. No, no it is not.

If I want to have a salad and a few carrots, how long are you going to be happy with that after you've had cheeseburgers half your life? I want to make a kale smoothie and your best friend is grilling burgers and cheese and teasing you with pictures. How happy will you be while I put a little honey on my greek yogurt but not enough to satisfy your sweet tooth? You are constantly reminded of what you once had.

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Mrs_Drgree · 2020-02-14T03:18:04+00:00

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zerofeetpersecond · 2020-02-14T13:48:18+00:00

The problem isn’t the n-count. The problem is the kind of guys they rack it up with are one type and then they want to marry a one of who is exact opposite. I’ve seen White women spend their 20s with minorities then want a white husband at 35. I don’t blame white men for not wanting these women. Asian women do this behavior as well chasing white guys and then settling for Asian guy late in life. It isn’t just limited to race either. Women will date nothing but musicians or unemployed guys for 10 years and then expect a stable husband.

Women expect to be first pick of the men they put last and that is why n-count is a concern to men. It isn’t about having a small dick or being short, I’m tall and endowed so spare me. It’s about not wanting to be charged more for what others were charged less.

blackedoutfast · 2020-02-14T17:15:20+00:00

The point of the analogy is focusing on the proclivity of people to return to their preferred habits

That's not the real problem with high n-count CC riders.

A better analogy would be if someone spent years gobbling up so many cheeseburgers until they reach the point where they are an obese 400lb landwhale with diabeetus and heart problems. Then when men don't want to date their disgusting fat ass and go after the fit, pretty yoga queens they get triggered and start screaming about body positivity and how big is beautiful, etc.

they are no longer overweight because they stopped eating cheeseburgers, their favorite food. Referencing a woman who "gets off the CC" and looks for a stable mate.

a fat person can go on a diet and lose weight. but a CC rider who stops hoeing doesn't lose her n-count. once a slut, always a slut. you will always be used goods.

Grek27 · 2020-02-14T17:59:43+00:00

Past behavior is generally a predictor of future behavior.

flamingoinghome · 2020-02-14T08:58:22+00:00

BPW, and it's bullshit for several reasons:

-You don't need to abstain from burgers forever, like a heroin addict newly off smack, to remain healthy. Just have them as an occasional treat/ know you'll have to work out a little more if you've been eating them. So it's just a dumb analogy then.

-Most women who've slept around aren't doing so because it's their favorite thing ever--they're doing it because their friends all are and they want to be cool, or they're in grad school and don't have time for a real boyfriend, or because they think guys won't like them if they don't put out early. They cut it out more out of a sense of "wait, I don't have to do this" than as some kind of health regime.

SpinPlates · 2020-02-14T05:38:19+00:00

I believe this cheeseburger theory was coined by Alex Social from RSD and 4 week natural.

And i agree with it 100%

MubutuDeezNuts · 2020-02-14T05:38:59+00:00

The core part of Red Pill is that if you’re Chad, a woman only thoughts will be putting a McDonalds straw in your butt and sucking. Doesn’t matter who she is or her past.

rus9384 · 2020-02-14T07:46:47+00:00

But what if she never was overweight, yet ate cheesuburgers often?

exit_sandman · 2020-02-14T08:36:54+00:00

Not compelling at all, since the cheeseburger is a flawed equivalent.

If a formerly obese person eats another cheeseburger, this isn't exactly a terrible lapse. It isn't even remotely comparable to someone cheating on you. If anything, a former alcoholic would a better comparison since apparently even one drink is enough to send that person back on a downward spiral.
The problem with ex-sluts isn't just that the risk of them cheating on you, but also all the other things - heightened risk of divorce, them perceiving you as a consolation prize etc.

Hoombus · 2020-02-14T12:11:46+00:00

This is just fucking stupid

PapaPinyun · 2020-02-14T04:07:21+00:00

PBPill male. *vegan btw* I loved everything I have ever eaten; it's never occurred to me to eat most of it since I thought, "not for me." Blacked out drunk, starving to the point of madness, doesn't even cross my mind as an impulse.

2020-02-14T15:21:20+00:00

The operative phrase here is “favorite food” thus you’’re dealing with a type of person who had a hard time giving up casual sex at some point because she liked it so much that it was detrimental to her health.

The average CC rider ppd talks about includes serial monogamists and had extended FWB situationships ie. Anyone who has had more experience than the man standing in judgment or enough experience to make him insecure about his odds of being #1 in her history. This person doesn’t feel like she’s sacrificing anything for a relationship.

The cheeseburger glutton tempted to fall off is an exceptional case.

If...

...she’s looking for an arrangement, she’s likely to ‘cheat on her diet’ down the road
... she’s looking for someone with the same lifestyle to help her keep the weight off (stay monogamous and interested) that all depends on how stable they are, how well the communicate, and what emotional needs are being met so she’s not likely to ‘feed the sad hole’ (lol this is an expression overeaters use but it can be used for drugs or sex, too.)

What’s the “you” in the analogy like and what’s his relationship with junk food. Or does he see cheeseburgers as fine cuisine that he’s been deprived of in comparison to her, so he’ll secretly eat all the cheeseburgers to manage his own emotions about her fatty past?

Title	How compelling do you find the cheeseburger arguement?
Author	ukraniankranium
Upvotes	12
Comments	172
Date	February 14, 2020 3:14 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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