Lifting isn't common advice

disposable_pants · 2017-02-04T14:36:26+00:00

People understand that working out gets you in shape. People understand that women like fit men. None of this means men who are struggling with women are told to go get in shape.

Weight is a touchy subject. 99% of guys who look for advice because they're struggling with women don't get told "drop 20 pounds and get back to me."

Returnofthemack3 · 2017-02-04T14:55:35+00:00

People in this sub are insane. I've gained 30lbs in the last 5 years. I went from 155 to 185. I'm 6' 1" tall, 35 years old, and have defined abs, so no, I didn't just put in a 30lb beer gut.

I'm not a muscle magazine freak or a pimply faced gym rat, just a fit, middle aged guy who's in better shape than most of his peers (who are fat asses).

I have more success with women now than I did when I was 155lbs. I have more success than other men who are 185lbs but flabby. Results are what count, not Internet opinions.

dragoness_leclerq · 2017-02-04T12:26:23+00:00

Sorry, we live in a world where songs like "All about that bass" is popular

For WOMEN. Songs like that are specifically made for, and marketed to women. Those are "female anthems" not meant for anyone but those who possess XX ears.

Not to mention the constant onslaught of people saying women don't like muscles and think muscular men are douchebags. This is literally the message I got growing up.

Many women don't like muscles, especially not the kinds of muscular physiques a lot of men post and idolize and say women want.

Lifting is NOT common advice.

I dunno, maybe I've been hanging out in pillosphere/gender dynamics circles for too long but "hit the gym" is usually the default advice for men who claim to struggle. And why wouldn't it be?

That said, lots of men often complain that they can't get not just "women" period, but the kinds of women THEY want and find attractive (generally HB7+ thin girls with nice bodies) are unreceptive to them. For those types, lifting/getting ripped/shredded has almost always been the most recommended course of action.

trpobserver · 2017-02-04T16:21:12+00:00

Body acceptance is primarily a womens movement. Its not framed entirely as such, but nobody really likes or cares about the men in that movement.

BiggerDthanYou · 2017-02-04T20:00:21+00:00

Turn on the TV. Watch a movie. Look at a magazine cover. Instagram, social media of all kinds. Gyms are full of guys working to get buff. Muscular guys are everywhere, for obvious reasons.

You have to be purposefully ignoring reality to not understand how this all works.

kiirme · 2017-02-04T21:29:43+00:00

Lifting is NOT common advice. It took TRP to tell people that women have been bullshitting, and that they ARE generally attracted to muscular men

LOLOL.

That's why /r/fitness has million subscribers. Thats why every college campus has a giant gym filled with young guys. That's why every male celebrity is in good shape and people love athletes.

Thanks red pill for teaching the great secret of lifting. Have you ever considered you feel that way because you were socially clueless? For every song like all about that bass which is a REACTION to existing bodyshaming, there are millions of things in pop culture that promote and focus on physically attractive bodies.

Do you guys honestly think when you walk into a gym or see a Chad that they're all secret redpillers? Like they learned how through TRP? Or can you guys see why TRP is just explicitly spelling out what Chads and millions of men have already been doing to clueless guys who struggle with dating?

BiggerDthanYou · 2017-02-04T13:11:50+00:00

So your argument is basically that men's magazines like Men's Health, GQ and FHM don't exist, that ads for gyms don't exist, that rap music with lyrics about how bitches love muscles or him lifting in the music video do not exist, that the TV trope of the hot muscular pool boy or gardenener doesn't exist,...

I don't have the numbers at hand, but something like 90% of all overweight people know that they would be more attractive if they lost weight and became more physically active. That means that it is common sense.

But I've got others numbers at hand that show that more men care about physical attractiveness than their jobs with 2/3 of the sample always feeling like they could lose some weight. And in another one more men cared about their chest size than women about their breast size.

If you only watch some anime and disney movies you might not have noticed it, but western media started sexualizing muscular men and most men, except TRPers of course, weren't being willfully ignorant to it.

lollygagyo · 2017-02-04T11:55:47+00:00

All about that bass was directed at women, not men. Men do have a Dad Bod narrative, but it's p. common knowledge at the moment that if you lift you get super-toned.

I know tons of men and women who lift because their PTs told them to, my best friend lifts because the military told him to, my husband lifts because his agent told him to etc etc

Returnofthemack3 · 2017-02-05T22:38:56+00:00

It is and it isn't. Whether or not it's a common piece of advice is dependent on the people you know/who you hang out with. The one thing I do notice is that a lot of people are wildly ignorant about lifting and muscle growth, and erroneously think that you can just train and 'accidentally' get big in a year. Basically what i'm saying is the general public doesn't understand how frequent juicing is and they see a roided out physique and think that's the end game lol

RampantPornAddiction · 2017-02-04T12:31:52+00:00

t they ARE generally attracted to muscular men. At least the feminine types.

No, they aren't. Women select men for height and face and hairline. Its men who got inside their head that women are getting wet at the sight of muscles when for the vast majority of our existence men have looked like this

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/16/11/2E7D779900000578-3320209-Mario_says_the_tribal_people_he_got_to_know_on_his_travels_were_-a-26_1447672481958.jpg

And certainly not like this:

http://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2015/09/11/635775402550765078-1042546793_come-at-me-bro.imgopt1000x70.jpg

Why is it that red pillers seem to forget time and time again that facial aesthetics and height matter, and matter a lot when it comes to attraction? Might have something to do with them having averaeg and below average facial looks and a short to average stature..

dudes are so autistic, lol. They can't even figure out when a dude is hot and when he's not. All they do is look at the dude's muscles and if he's muscled up, they'll reckon he spends his weekends slaying pussy.

Oh look, its John Wayne.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RoUVIdIxykA/Umk6VN6azuI/AAAAAAAAgAw/PZL459U6XP4/s1600/Chest02c.JPG

So muscled up!

That's an average man's body. Yes, that's what a normal, healthy human male body looks like.

alreadyredschool · 2017-02-04T12:41:12+00:00

I dunno, I don't read self-help sites or books so no idea if it's mentioned in those, but both my parents as I was growing up and the people I work with currently tell me I should be lifting weights to get more muscle. Seems to be pretty common knowledge and advice to me.

However to give TRP come credit on this, I also think it's pretty good at providing actual motivation. It's all very well just telling someone go lift some weights, but having a space full of positive reinforcement where a community has a shared goal is a big deal.

That said, these days TRP is so full of anger and incels that they've lost track of this quite a bit.

[deleted] · 2017-02-04T18:06:53+00:00

Sorry, we live in a world where songs like "All about that bass" is popular.

It was also widely ridiculed for encouraging people to stay fat. And anyways almost every other popular song talks about or shows having a guy or girl who is fit and attractive. I don't see many fat women and men on mtv.

Not to mention the constant onslaught of people saying women don't like muscles and think muscular men are douchebags.

People mock and celebrate douchebags. I don't see many average looking guys even being talked about. Almost every famous man is muscular. But as another poster already said women don't want huge iron man style guys. They want lean and muscular.

It took TRP to tell people that women have been bullshitting, and that they ARE generally attracted to muscular men

lol have you guys ever watched daytime tv which is filled with ads about getting fit and muscular? Or for that matter any form of media besides imageboards? Because literally almost every tv show, ad, music video, or movie features a muscular in shape male character.

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wub1234 · 2017-02-04T13:24:44+00:00

Lifting weights: Google hits 115,000,000.

However, I remain extremely sceptical that lifting significantly benefits most guys who attempt it. Certainly if you have my physique then putting on any discernible muscle is almost impossible.

rulenumber303 · 2017-02-04T16:58:48+00:00

Exercise, however, is common advice... very common advice. I guess people are just assuming that men have the good sense to do their research and think carefully about the pros and cons, why they are exercising, who their target demographic is and how much time they got to spend when choosing what form of exercise they will take up?

Merger-Arbitrage · 2017-02-04T19:32:48+00:00

It is blatantly obvious to me, that if you believe that women find fit (or decently muscular) men as attractive, then working out should be a logical follow-through on that advice. Growing up, I heard from numerous individuals (too many to remember or count) that all else equal, muscularity = more attractive. The next steps were obvious.

It should also be said .. lifting maybe isn't the most common advice because for most guys just lifting isn't going to fix their female problems even in the slightest. Most happily married UMC+ couples I know, the men are sure as hell not "regular lifters." And they are married to all-rounder quality women (fit, educated, but can't comment on personality since I don't know them too personally).

raindient · 2017-02-04T22:14:06+00:00

LOL OK

Lifting weights has been a common fitness activity since the 1950s.

Weightlifting has been an Olympic sport since the 1960s.

Muscle and fitness magazines have been around since the 1970s.

The fitness craze of the 1980s caused an explosion in gym chains like Gold's which were in the beginning were soley focused on weight training.

Home gym equipment sales have been increasing since 1996 from 2.4 billion to 3.77 billion in 2015.

But you never heard of lifting before TRP. Mmkay.

ScarletNumbers · 2017-02-04T23:28:52+00:00

body acceptance

You mean female body acceptance

Monkey_Jerk · 2017-02-05T05:03:29+00:00

I don't date men who don't lift. It's gross.

[deleted] · 2017-02-05T09:38:50+00:00

Lifting isn't particularly great advice.

Losing fat is the best advice. Losing fat PLUS lifting = golden ticket to the game.

Plenty of women respond to men with sub 10% bodyfat --- your face will be as defined as it can be and consquently, the most masculine it can be.

Now, if you combine that with some muscle mass, you've really got a winning combo.

Women went ga-ga over Brad Pitt's body in fightclub and he only weighed like 150 pounds at 5'11.

I say all of this as a very short guy, 5'5. It's a night/day difference.

incoma123 · 2017-02-05T20:51:52+00:00

A skinny guy with abs is like a fat chick with tits. Who cares?

Have muscle mass or GTFO.

[deleted] · 2017-02-04T17:26:48+00:00

Lifting itself won't do - you have to use gear.

Also body acceptance is the biggest load of horseshit. Note the guys partaking are incel at best (least the twitter activists I've seen).

Title	Lifting isn't common advice
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