Red pill vs negativity/self-doubt

Littleknownfacts · 2017-03-31T19:59:59+00:00

Knowing the truth means you can play by the rules as they exist and learn to thrive in the world. That to me, is worth more than all the optimism in the world. I rather get shit done than complain about how things should be.

EDIT: Oh honey...

BPremium · 2017-03-31T20:02:43+00:00

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DemonConsulting · 2017-03-31T20:45:01+00:00

It's just part of growing up and facing reality - santa isn't real, the world isn't fair, most people just care about themselves, humans are animals, Love is a bunch of hormones affecting your brain and you aren't special.

But why would I be mad about this? It is this knowledge that lets me navigate through the world in the first place. If you know and accept how people work, they become somewhat predictable and at the same time you can stop caring so much about what they think about you etc. You can use it to your advantage.

I personally like systemizing things and gaining new knowledge - if I was wrong in my previous assumptions and am proven wrong, then I am happy that I learned something new. Might just be me being mildly autistic but the more I "know" about the world, the better - uncertainty and vague fantasies unnerve me.

SeemedGood · 2017-03-31T22:46:07+00:00

RP philosophy brings understanding, understanding brings acceptance, acceptance brings adaptation, adaptation brings peace.

philomexa · 2017-03-31T20:13:42+00:00

As far as I gather, being "red pilled" just means understanding the reality of sexual dynamics. Beyond that; cynicism, depression, negativity, doubt, etc is just imbuing a relatively straight forward concept with emotional baggage.

Are you depressed about gravity because you realized you'll never be able to walk in the ceiling? No, you just acknowledge reality and adjust yourself accordingly.

Same idea applies to 'accepting the red pill'.

philomexa · 2017-03-31T21:33:51+00:00

I'll never be the hottest girl around.

Why be the hottest girl around? First of all not possible, and secondly, whats the glory in that? Why not be the hottest girl for your guy/a particular guy?

Its like you're upset that you don't have the broad based appeal of white bread.

If you're everything to everyone, then you're just an interchangeable commodity.

If you've taken the red pill (god I hate that phrase) then you should be working towards a 10/10 version of you.

ppdthrowawai · 2017-03-31T22:03:10+00:00

You have to learn that no matter what, they're ate always an infinite amount of people that are better than you but at the same time, an infinite amount of people worse than you as well. Who cares if you're not the best. Its irrelevant as it's impossible to be number one.

You and only you are responsible for maximizing your own happiness. There is no shortcut, just the work you put in. That information should be freeing because you have the power to change your position in life, not depressing because you cant reach some percieved peak.

PS: noticed you said you were an athlete. Do some squats, work on those legs and behind. Cant overstate how sexy that can be. You can tell the ones that work on it!

TheBlackQuill · 2017-03-31T23:00:51+00:00

Why do you want to be 10/10 girl? For someone who is an overachiever, shouldn't you emphasize on your own achievement instead? Beautiful women are many, but high achievers are rare. Focus on that. That's your asset. It makes you a better person because it shows that you are hardworking and have goals in life. Your look won't last, but your achievement will.

manletttime · 2017-04-01T01:55:04+00:00

A delusional self-concept, mostly. I just have this inner belief that I'm the shit. Even when I'm depressed or down on myself, just lurking back beyond that is 'nah man, we're the shit, don't worry.'

Idk.

alreadyredschool · 2017-04-01T08:54:44+00:00

Do what is best for you. If being positive wields better results than being realistic go for it.

If being realistic leads to becoming negative and losing motivation then don't go for that.

Wide shoulders? Muscular body type? Cut proteins and diet or if you like the niche get even more shredded. Nobody forces you to go for the mainstream blonde bimbo way. Work with what you have, play up your strengths. You probably can't become a 10/10 Stacey but maybe a 10/10 muscular built.

GroovyEFS · 2017-04-01T09:35:23+00:00

This is essentially a question of positive nihilism. You can realise everything is meaningless and actually quite shitty then wallow in sadness, or you can use the lack of meaning as an opportunity to invent your own meaning then go out and live your life however the fuck you like because no one is dictating it to you.

I dunno about you but the latter sounds more fun to me.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-03-31T19:55:44+00:00

Reality doesn't make me sad because I never had an idealistic or romantic vision to begin with. Just being alive is good I don't need fantasy lala land to enjoy it . I didn't "swallow" the red pill I was born with it

MonTrenA · 2017-04-01T00:08:16+00:00

How do people that are Red Pill stay positive while still being realistic.

I can't wallow around in negativity if I'm too busy with lifting/training, socializing, and reading/studying. I do get pretty down on my self if I truly have nothing to focus on or nothing to drive myself towards, but I was like this far before I started to lean towards being RP.

I may actually be happier though, since I'm no longer setting unrealistic expectations, only to be let down.

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UA_Hammer · 2017-03-31T20:10:26+00:00

Can anyone be Red Pill without being too cynical or depressing?

You can cut every shred of the emotional crap out of it. Things are the way they are and the best I can do is rationally think through what will result in the best outcome for me.

How do people that are Red Pill stay positive while still being realistic. While not being overly negative and not getting discouraged from self improvement because of self doubt?

Progress helps. Lifting gains, looksmaxing gains, starting to pull girls, starting to pull 7s, starting to pull 8s and higher.

Ascended_One · 2017-03-31T20:25:39+00:00

It's actually very common, seems that many people experience it.

You'll hear them talk about it as one of the stages of internalizing TRP. Ever heard the term depression phase? Usually comes after the anger phase

I'm still not out of it, but it's getting better as I'm slowly realising that it doesn't actually matter that much.

dj10show · 2017-03-31T20:49:31+00:00

I think it depends on where you are on the totem pole when you discover it. If you're a good-looking guy that discovers TRP and realizes he has to work on his social skills and does so, he won't have much to say in the negative.

My personal experience is that I realized I'm much less attractive than I thought, and I'm having to deal with the thought that finding a sustainable LTR and having kids, which were things that I envisioned, are likely not on the cards for me. I feel like part of me died inside when TRP confirmed that.

fetchyminx · 2017-03-31T21:05:58+00:00

Why do you even want to look like a blonde vs girl? It's so basic.

SetConsumes · 2017-03-31T22:49:12+00:00

How do people that are Red Pill stay positive while still being realistic. While not being overly negative and not getting discouraged from self improvement because of self doubt?

Can anyone be Red Pill without being too cynical or depressing?

Accepting reality, readjusting expectations, reappreciating life and love.

Edit: asking out of personal experience. I became depressed for a long time because I'll never be a 10/10 girl given how my face,hair color, and eye color are. And from having wide shoulders and muscles from competitive swimming. So I won't be a blonde VS model. Kind of lost motivation for everything in life because what's the point of anything if I'll never be the hottest girl around.

The hottest girl doesn't win as much as the most seductive girl.

Look to be the hottest within reason that you can be and focus on being interesting and mentally seductive, that is where by far most women fall short. Lots of pretty or hot girls exist, few that are also interesting.

BPremium · 2017-03-31T23:19:31+00:00

Yup, RP depresses the hell out of me. But its closer to the "truth" than anything else, I suppose

Trump4GodEmperor · 2017-04-01T00:02:05+00:00

TRP turned on a switch that made me go into overdrive.

I wasnt depressed I was basically in animal survival mode. Raw eggs on rice, training 12 hours a week, studying 80 hours a week. My down time was probably 2 weekends at my oarents at 19 hours of YouTube videos in an entire year.

Put on 20kg of muscle naturally, fucked more then I ever had and topped my class at uni. Wasn't worth it though.

JackGetsIt · 2017-04-01T01:38:53+00:00

I give the same advice to women that don't think their hot enough as I give to lots of men. There's someone out there that's buying what you're selling. Should you spend time cleaning up and maintaining your product? Sure. But don't obsess that because you're not some top shelf liquor that nobody wants to consume your contents and enjoy it. One mans trash...

To go a bit further. You cheapen your product when you don't own what you have. Granted you shouldn't walk around being a 300 pound land whale and act like you are a ten, but, if I'm dating a fatty or an ugo and I had the choice between one that was confident and enjoyed the sexual experience over won that was constantly complaining that she's ugly then I'd take the confidence everyday of the week. It's annoying, exhausting and surprisingly convincing to hear people complain that they aren't attractive. You would not believe how many very attractive women I've broken up with because I was initially wildly attracted to them but stopped seeing that side of them because they whined incessantly about every aspect of their looks. It's like, "fine, OK your ugly, I get it... now get out of my life."

Unabummer80 · 2017-04-01T05:15:40+00:00

You just realise what real life is like, you still enjoy the same shit. If anything, my life is better because I dont fall in love every time a girl shows affection and shit like that.

SeemedGood · 2017-04-01T07:31:26+00:00

I became depressed for a long time because I'll never be a 10/10 girl given how my face,hair color, and eye color are. And from having wide shoulders and muscles from competitive swimming. So I won't be a blonde VS model. Kind of lost motivation for everything in life because what's the point of anything if I'll never be the hottest girl around.

Men's attractions to women vary significantly. One man's 10 could very easily be another's 6.5 and vice-versa. Assuming that you're not abnormally unattractive, you will never be any specific number to a majority of guys because our scales are that independent. Men who are at all secure in themselves also don't tend to care what other men think either. We do occasionally care what other women think of the looks of any particular woman whom we are with, but only because you judge our attractiveness on the other women that we attract and we try and avoid limiting our options. Mostly, we are attracted to the type of women that tend to be attracted to us.

Furthermore, we are also much more able/willing to alter our attraction cues in accordance with our conscious will. This means that looks aren't necessarily everything to us, but not in in the same way that they aren't necessarily everything to women. We actually change the way that we think about looks not just decide to trade one looks attribute for another non-looks attribute. For example, women who are dull or unkind, or thoughtless (or whatever characteristics the particular man finds unattractive) actually lose physical appeal to many of us. This will more likely be true of experienced men for whom dating/bedding "9s & 10s" isn't novel.

Beware, though, that you may be left with the impression that all men think the same way about women's looks because you are only thinking about a small pool of a homogeneous group of men. If you are, then you may actually have the problem that you describe - but then that would be one of your own making.

I make this distinction because attraction cues can get encoded to certain groups over time for fundamental reasons. For example, I could never understand the blonde hair fetish until I went to Sweden. Though I grew up in an area of the world and a social setting in which there are more than typical numbers of blond women that fit the stereotypical image of attractive, they were not considered any more attractive than any other hair/eye combination by most men, but they were by certain groups of men. As I said, I had no idea why until I went to Sweden. Usually, I don't notice blonds any more than any other hair color, and probably somewhat less because dye is a negative-attractant (repellent) to me. In Sweden, though, I noticed the blonde women more. While there are a plethora of very attractive blondes in Sweden, there are also a plethora of ludicrously attractive dark-haired women, and to my utter surprise more than a few stunningly beautiful black and mixed women (in Stockholm) as well. While I still preferred the darker haired women by a substantial margin, I did notice the blonde women much more than I usually do, so I asked myself why. I discovered that when I saw a blonde woman it made me think of the sun for a brief moment and in far northern latitudes that's important because for a significant portion of the year you don't get to see the sun much and you start longing for it.

Ever notice how black guys tend to like women who are curvier/thick? Well that's not all black guys. It tends to be more true of black guys descended from West African and Central African ethnic groups than it does those from Eastern and Northern Africa. It's a cultural thing - just like the blonde hair is for Northern Europeans, and there are reasons for it.

Don't let a specific culture's beauty standard ruin your life because you don't fit it. That's dull and not particularly thoughtful - two things which are certainly unattractive.

OurThrownAwayDreams · 2017-04-01T21:07:49+00:00

Learn to let go.

The more you try to hold on to, the more you fixate on an idea, be it this shoulder, your hair, your eye color, the more you are letting the ego take hold of things you have no control of. And when ego does that, there's only pain and suffering that awaits because ego is an insatiable beast with a bottomless gut.

To me. The self aspect of RP is realizing that you aren't perfect, but understanding what you can do to make yourself the best version of yourself.

You are step 1 atm. You ARE supposed to feel like shit after swallowing the pill. Why do you think the blue one leads you back to fantasy land?

After you have gone through the shitty feeling though, what determines a winner and loser is what you want to do with your life.

Losers will hold that attitude of yours and realize "shit, I'm not great, I'll never be great. Fuck this pill." If you think this way, you've only swallowed half the pill. You're in limbo, torn between the fantasy land you used to live in and half your foot into the real world. That is where dreams cannot actualize, that's where hope vaporizes, and that's where bitterness will taint the whole world for you.

But if you want to be a winner. You'll learn to work on the things you have control over. Hair not cute? Get a different haircut. Can't hold a conversation with guys you like? Read, learn, make yourself more knowledgeable. Though I must say for women, looks are pretty set in stone. However, I'm sure you must have seen threads where OVERWHELMING amount of men state that they rather have a 5-7 with good personality than a 9-10 bitch. So for women, in my opinion, the bulk amount of work they must work on after taking the RP is to hone their internal beauty.

Please don't give up. It's really sad to hear when a girl decides to give up. For a lot of men, giving up is the option because men don't have as much intrinsic values as women and they are highly disposable. You are already playing the game on a slightly easier difficulty being that you are a woman. I'm sure you will be able to get over your self doubts and start on a path to success.

God bless.

badnews4u · 2017-04-02T12:30:38+00:00

Youre probably better off knowing the reality of the situation and adapting to it. Good you accepted you wont be a 10, so maybe you wont wait too long for a 10 man to come along who will probably look right past you at a 10 woman. You will be more smart going forward and you wont delude yourself and try to change the world like fat acceptance people do for example

flashbang123 · 2017-04-01T19:44:30+00:00

It has been depressing. But the truth hurts....you see shades of red pill everyday in life. It's hard - do you soldier on knowing you probably won't ever find a meaningful, long lasting relationship or go mgtow? Either way, it feels like there is no hope. I'm still not sure what to do.

Title	Red pill vs negativity/self-doubt
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