Nice guys = Sluts

Homework_ · 2014-01-04T04:48:57+00:00

That's why we say women are the gatekeepers to sex and men the gatekeepers to committment. Sluts sell sex cheaply and low value men will give committment at the drop of a hat, and neither are very respected by the other gender.

Perrodepaz · 2014-01-04T04:49:57+00:00

slutzone = friendzone?

RedBigMan · 2014-01-04T04:41:20+00:00

It makes perfect sense...

I think we need a word that's sorta like what slut is to prostitute/hooker because we got a word for a male prostitute (gigolo) but no word for a male slut.

EDIT: I forgot we call them orbiters.

Someone once told me the difference between a slut and a hooker is the slut works for free.

jcakmac · 2014-01-04T04:51:28+00:00

Looking at it from a different perspective you can say that all women "say" they want a nice guy, but they don't really mean it.

And that all men "say" they want sluts, but don't really mean it. (For the most part)

thecajunone · 2014-01-04T08:18:31+00:00

I'm really glad you came onto this by your own. This is actually a very old theory that we've discussed in the early days of TRP.

iamme2 · 2014-01-04T06:09:26+00:00

If I can chime in I also have a personal theory that a lot nice guys and sluts do what they do in the hopes of elevating their status. A flawed strategy if you will at becoming who they want to be. A slut believe sleeping around makes her a desirable/lusted after woman while a nice guy hopes that by ass kissing his way into the heart of a good looking woman he will finally be like the alpha males, at least in appearance, if she reciprocates and let's him claim ownership of her pussy.

emptyform · 2014-01-04T05:45:04+00:00

I've thought this same thought before, you're on point. That's why all men love sluts and would never slut shame (but plenty of women would), but we would never date a slut. And it's why women love nice guys and always say how much they love them (while most men react with pity or disgust at pussies), but would never date them. Of course, we should thank orbiters for raising our value, and classier women should be thankful for sluts. Girls with low partner counts are VALUABLE, and even more valuable than ever these days because they're so rare. Historically, they have always been right to guard that number carefully. Of course, this is the part of TRP that most modern women cannot accept.

NvrGonnaLetUDown · 2014-01-04T05:48:41+00:00

Time-Ho

ipresentthistoyou · 2014-01-04T08:46:12+00:00

Patrice O'Neal talks about this very concept here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9QOQNcpuiA

Perrodepaz · 2014-01-04T06:20:56+00:00

Perhaps think of it as a transaction. Emotional intimacy is a man's currency, physical intimacy a woman's. They are each buying what the other is selling. But if one side is giving away the goods, why pay for what's being given away for free?

Ice-Z · 2014-01-04T13:06:43+00:00

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TRPinitiate · 2014-01-05T14:48:55+00:00

Relationships are, broadly speaking, a trade. The man provides emotional intimacy, the woman provides physical intimacy. A slut is not respected because she provides physical intimacy without requiring emotional intimacy in return. She has sold herself cheap. A "nice-guy" provides emotional intimacy to a woman without requiring physical intimacy in return. He has sold himself cheap, and likewise is not respected.

This is one of the most basic and core principles, imo, that drives TRP. Glad to see it so eloquently articulated. :)

That's why we say women are the gatekeepers to sex and men the gatekeepers to commitment. Sluts sell sex cheaply and low value men will give commitment at the drop of a hat, and neither are very respected by the other gender.

Succinct and accurate.

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Perrodepaz · 2014-01-04T05:24:44+00:00

My dimestore evo-psych;

Traditionally, women have depended heavily on men for survival. In times of extreme hardship or trouble, having a man (Alpha or not) who is emotionally invested in a woman could be the difference between life and death for her. Women may be able to provide for themselves in our modern world, but they haven't lost the instictual pull at the back of their brains to desire a man's emotional investment. And that instinctive desire is different and distinct from "gina tingles".

monsieurhire2 · 2014-01-04T17:39:31+00:00

"Relationships are, broadly speaking, a trade. The man provides emotional intimacy, the woman provides physical intimacy."

No, a "relationship" should be a bilateral trade, where both parties trade physical and emotional intimacy with each other.

Think about it. If the woman you have sex with isn't also emotionally intimate with you, then she could also be shtupping a bazillion other guys, none of whom she's emotionally intimate with. Also, conversely, if you're having sex with her, but you're not emotionally intimate with her, it may mean you don't like her. BTW, being emotionally intimate does not equal being a beta bitch.

SpinalArt · 2014-01-04T07:31:25+00:00

Both have daddy issues and both need external help to get over those issues.

2014-01-04T19:02:10+00:00

i guess there is some truth. but a person that only desires emotional intimacy OR physical pleasure seems like half a person. women DO get horny and guy's do like having some emotional comfort. the trick is finding balance between the two traits. if a guy is showing he obviously enjoys spending time with a girl, the girl may interpret that he likes her and having sex may ruin that. (based on most girls experience, by the time they're 20 they've probably had sex that they've regret. at least once or twice) girls logic is that when a guy finally gets a girl in bed, he becomes bored with her.

it's not that "nice" isn't appreciated, it's just how the majority of guys are. by being "nice" you have surrendered the battle and declared that you like her. what a guy should strive to be is an interesting character that captivates and thrills. make her scream! scare her shock her spook her etc. you shouldn't be out to make her comfortable around you. once she feels comfortable and that no more effort is required to retain your attraction, the war is over, she has already starting texting her friends "yuppp hes totally into me!" having sex at that point would betray her conscious.

however, the win loss record never matters. what's important is that you continually go out meet new people make mistakes, learn from said mistakes, and apply what you learned to the next relationships you make.

cbeeman15 · 2014-01-04T06:11:07+00:00

So this is why I never get any "poon," I'm a slut.

Stalwart_Shield · 2014-01-04T14:54:43+00:00

Such a great post explaining a topic I was just struggling to grasp, and here it is fully fleshed out, and this has made another thing clear to me.

Only settle down in a relationship when you find someone that can provide for your physical AND emotional needs. All these pretty faces that end up turning into pump and dumps end up that way because they have the emotional development of a highschool girl (even at 20+ years out of HS).

But every guy needs to learn to pick up at least enough alpha traits to be able to tell the difference between true girlfriend material versus shined up turds that are going to try to pull the wool over you eyes about past indiscretion.

Any time a decent guy goes and marries what I recognize as a reformed-slut I can't help but shed a single manly tear because she's won. She got to be the party girl when she was young, then trick her prince charming into giving her the life she always dreamed of settling into later in life. Rather than working for that life like the rest of us have to.

DrForbin · 2014-01-04T15:52:48+00:00

Have just discovered this Redpill thing, got interested and started reading up on it. Read your post here and this is how I feel:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFOi0aeVHmyfhZWDlqWjbBN9KrwTn9J205JvI364nGGMSOsbTb

neofau · 2014-01-05T02:19:27+00:00

Or [Time Hoes] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9QOQNcpuiA)

2014-01-04T07:25:04+00:00

"Nice guys" are simply trying to validate their masculinity, by indulging in their infantile male-mother need. Unlike the traditionalists, who offer their resources to women in exchange for sex (they know how women operate). "Nice guys" are foolish enough to think that women actually believe men to be human beings, with their own goals and dreams in life.

W-Z-R · 2014-01-04T15:07:17+00:00

OP gets it

A nice guy's emotional intimacy is worth very little because of how much he provides it, like a country over-inflating its currency.

OccamsUsername · 2014-01-04T09:38:11+00:00

I sent OPs post with slight edits to a feminist coworker. Going to be so good.

Fsicx · 2014-01-04T19:47:03+00:00

this is totally true, mostly because of the consequence of it. after a while that same Nice Guy will be discarded and replaced with an Alpha male...as long as there is no Alpha Male, Nice Guys are " A DICK IN A GLASS CASE ". just like Chris Rock said

snwborder52 · 2014-01-04T23:32:47+00:00

Yep. They both ooze neediness, with different results.

pwrfull · 2014-01-06T06:31:48+00:00

Makes total sense

miichaelmchugh · 2014-01-04T08:54:39+00:00

yes, very much

headless_bourgeoisie · 2014-01-04T07:16:21+00:00

You just blew my mind.

rickaboy · 2014-01-04T10:06:20+00:00

this is relevant:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1uao0c/comedian_patrice_oneal_grills_a_friendzoned_beta/

themasterof · 2014-01-04T13:47:26+00:00

Wow I have never thought if it like that. Quite the mind blow actually.

manicmojo · 2014-01-04T13:59:34+00:00

So twerking would be the equivalent to a guy cradling a girl whilst dancing. Which sort of works.. Hmm, and a kiss is middleground as it leads both ways, to sex, and to commitment.

2014-01-04T14:38:18+00:00

Does this make any sense?

It makes every sense. I like this Nice guys = Sluts. Quick, easy to understand, should be in the sidebar if you ask me.

Explains the lack of respect women have for nice guys beautifully. Actually some of ''best of 2013'' should be in the sidebar too.

CallMeMrBadGuy · 2014-01-04T15:06:41+00:00

Makes sense. I remember Patrice speaking on this. Though, I listened to so much of his material that I dont know where to find it.

2014-01-04T06:47:11+00:00

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d6x1 · 2014-01-04T08:30:43+00:00

Mind blown

Perrodepaz · 2014-01-04T15:56:21+00:00

The practical aspect of all this is to think of your emotional investment like a vagina (I know that sounds weird but go with me on this).

It's something you have and control that women crave. Women are no more entitled to it than you are entitled to their sex. Make them work for what they want.

rae1988 · 2014-01-04T19:19:18+00:00

son, i think you just went full autistic. never go full autistic.

Macatak89 · 2014-01-04T13:45:55+00:00

I am very new to the community, discovered it after posting a complaint about how often I get friend zoned. Something that I have implemented in the few days since I have come here is asking why I was put in the friend zone. Based on the answer, we either remain friends if they are honest and straight forward about the reasons, or, I dont waste my time on them if they give me some BS reasoning or dance around the question. Simple as that. If they can't respect me enough to take a second of honest reflection to figure out why they dont want to be with me, they dont deserve my friendship or affection.

2014-01-04T14:28:21+00:00

Comment of the Week - Precision Analogies Edition

Now men don’t want a relationship with a woman who is promiscuous with her sexual intimacy as it either indicates she has low value, or potential for cuckoldry.

Perhaps women don’t want relationships with emotional/sensitive guys as these men are promiscuous with their emotional intimacy. And their emotional promiscuity indicates they are either low value or have a potential for abandonment.

So a niceguy is to women, what a slut is to a man.

Now, when you here feminist therapists telling men they they should be more sensitive and get in touch with their feminine side and what not, those therapists are no different from some old sleazy lecher trying to convince women that it’s in their best interest to sleep around and experiment with their sexuality in the hopes that the woman will sleep with them.

Women have harems too

The punch line for those who need a motivation to read my further rambling – or a reason not to – is that from an intersexual behavior standpoint, the male equivalent of a slut is the beta orbiter. Modernity has turned sexuality into a buffet: what used to be a loving commitment for life to a particular person, where sexual intimacy and provision formed the mutual society of a family, has turned into cafeteria sexuality wherein people are encouraged to assemble their ideal virtual mate from the disparate contributions of different real people. Like the slut who gives away her sexuality on the cheap, accepting sexual attention with no commitment or provision, the beta orbiter gives away his provision and commitment without any corresponding receptivity to his sexual attentions.

Just as the cad doesn’t feel a social sting for having his harem of sluts, LJBF-girl doesn’t feel a social sting for having her harem of beta orbiters. And what follows, I think, is that things will just keep getting worse unless and until fewer women engage in slutty behavior and fewer men engage in beta orbiting behavior. Shaming the cads isn’t going to work.

Enth3 · 2014-01-04T11:04:22+00:00

Nope not a lick. Nice guy is nice guy. A slut is an outdated concept from an older generation

steakmeout · 2014-01-04T16:54:00+00:00

The idea that you define people by what they do and don't share in completely subjetive and specifically subjetively negative contexts is pretty selfish and sad. There's a definite air of insecurity in the way you seem to single out and define "nice-guy" as a pejorative term to besmirch with a negative connotation of being "easy", as if to say that being "easy" with good cheer and pleasant behaviour is bad.

It's also a lie. You're trying to turn the tables on reason and logic and supplant them with a fiction where being a mean spirited, selfish person is somehow the better person than someone who is neither.

A person who is a proudly belligerent jerk is not actually a more authentic male, just a more authentic, belligerent jerk. If such ugly behaviour were to be used in other contexts beyond the context of finding a sex partner or mate it would also rightly be identified as rude and unnattractive just as it is here.

Trying being a pig headed, unpleasant person with males at work and see how many of them actually want to work with you regularly. And don't try and tell me that rude jokes, backslaps or playful punches are the same as not being nice, because that would be complete rubbish. The language may be different, but the context is not. Being pleasant is what's expected and it doesn't matter which sex you're dealing with.

It's sad for you that can't feel authentic being nice. Clearly you have some demons to wrestle with.

tetrahydrous · 2014-01-04T05:16:59+00:00

Wait, why is a woman a slut if she has sex with a bunch of different guys?

Isn't that what this entire sub is about? How to have sex with a bunch of ladies?

Perrodepaz · 2014-01-04T05:27:56+00:00

In a very warped way?

The perpetual nice guy / friend zone candidate typically arrives at that point from a beta complex and general cowardice (y'know, the status of being so dishonest that you wont share your basic feelings with someone else, and even try and excuse the behavior on the part of how it might effect her? Are you shitting me?) where as the "slut" is generally very successful and forward.

Thewarship · 2014-01-04T15:59:00+00:00

Ted moesby

eskimobrother319 · 2014-01-04T14:20:47+00:00

Nah, I'm a nice guy. Works out pretty damn well. A few of the girls that friend zoned me awhile ago just feed me their sorority sisters..... I just said feed.... Ok not the best word, but I always end up at formals, free drinks and I have like 5 coolers that are painted. Oh not being a fat, retarded, social awkward prick helps the most.

rychild · 2014-01-04T07:33:31+00:00

The term slut is not relevant anymore. This whole sub promotes the idea of a masculine Alpha male dating lots of women. Why is the "alpha" male stereotype not seen as a kind of slut?

Title	Nice guys = Sluts
Author	Perrodepaz
Upvotes	332
Comments	119
Date	January 4, 2014 4:16 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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