Start talking less

evilkenevil · 2016-06-29T05:08:06+00:00

This has been posted before and I hope it's posted again. My brother is the biggest dope with the least amount of game imaginable except for two things: he's fit, and he's practically mute. Women don't know what to do with him so they're inexplicably drawn to him. They learn the truth and they bail. He has a charmed life and routinely casts aside good to go 7's. He literally disappears some weekends to give his cock a break.

Keep your mouth shut. Let them fill in the blanks. Not speaking makes you mysterious, withdrawn. Deep waters run silent and all that bullshit. It's true though.

sarsly · 2016-06-29T08:20:32+00:00

Can confirm worked for me

TrumpRules2016 · 2016-06-29T03:13:46+00:00

I've been trying the taking less and listening more for quite some time. I have noticed that when I'm around people who talk less, many times the things that they do say have more importance to them. You also give off a mysterious vibe sometimes when you aren't talking as much.

FieldLine · 2016-06-29T04:28:55+00:00

Your level of coolness can win over so many women, people in general.

I was, and am, able to use coolness as a form of polarity.

This will sincerely help you bring on that coolness your personality may be missing.

You sound like you're in high school.

You don't want to look 'cool', you want to look approachable. Yes, that means you should shut up and listen sometimes, but the ability to take command of a social situation or tell a good story is indispensable. Standing quietly trying to act 'cool' when in a group just makes you look like an autistic sperg who doesn't know how to behave in a social situation. Note that I'm not saying you have to be loud, nor am I saying that you have to reveal a lot of personal information.

The best way to play it out if you're going for 'mysterious' is to leave people with the impression that they had a great conversation with you, but only later does it occur to them that they don't know much about you.

tl;dr - you want to be the guy constantly socializing and chatting people up, not some cringey loser trying to act all mysterious. It doesn't work.

Say, "oh yeah?" lots more.

The only time I would ever say this is if I'm talking to someone I want to built a rapport with (someone who offers some kind of value to me) and they say something so retarded that I literally have nothing to respond, but I don't want to walk away.

Lastly, don't try to "one up" anyone, people can see it and it's corny as fuck.

This at least is some decent advice, don't put down other people.

TRP117 · 2016-06-29T05:11:51+00:00

I think this is best summed up by the simple fact that if you don't have a interesting story or a confident sentence to say, don't say anything. It is better to be silent than run your mouth. Confident speech bests both though.

HiGuysiamkewl · 2016-06-29T07:34:19+00:00

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Abraham Lincoln

RP-Doctor · 2016-06-29T07:40:19+00:00

Better yet, figure out where you stand. Do you talk too much or too little? Probably, you just talk at all the wrong times. You don't talk when there's a hot girl around, and when one starts actually conversing with you you won't shut your mouth.

The best conversationalists are extremely good listeners, but they aren't afraid to blurt out something random either. The key is random but relevant. It's less awkward than you'd think to just pull out some pre-packaged "out of the hat" question. Most people are just relieved to have something concrete to answer.

As for being more quiet, it works in one-on-one conversation, but most guys I know that fit the stereotype of the man who starts following TRP are way too quiet in groups. When in a group, strive to lead, just don't try to take over. Have you ever been in that situation someone mentions a few possibilities and no one can make up their fucking minds? Be the guy who makes that decision. If you're in a group of 10 people, be sure your voice is heard every once in a while.

My one-on-one conversations follow a very basic format. Answer the question, ask one back. It's not rocket science people. Most awkward silences are caused by a break in cadence and a lack of a new question. Usually you can't think of a new question because you're so focused on your end of it that you're not even fully in the conversation. Your replies to their questions should be 2/3 serious and 1/3 teasing. Guarantee if you do this you won't get shit tested, or she'll give you lobs because she wants you to pass.

My group conversations are a little different. Look, as much as a lot of guys here want the "mysterious" vibe to be a real thing, it's not. If you don't talk, you don't get heard. You don't get noticed. I've known two types of guys who do this. Guys who are solid 8s or 9s who some girls go after because they think their "cute" and guys who don't get laid. In groups you need to talk, but you need to avoid being the "oh yeah" guy. You need to say things of substance, and you need to let others talk.

Expectations1 · 2016-06-29T07:07:48+00:00

Law 4: Always say less than necessary.

This should come with a caveat though, when you do talk, it should be delivered with an inner confidence, even when its about something boring.

Also, one analogy i like to refer to is small dogs bark a lot more than big dogs.

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-06-29T13:05:11+00:00

Don't repeat Blue Pill themes.

If your words scream Blue Pill thinking then you come off as beta and will have no ability to attract women, however you will be allowed to be an orbiter.
But if your words scream Red Pill masculine thinking then they will either piss off the Feminists or create massive Tingles or both. Typically a woman will be both angry at truth and excited by it at the same time.
By having Red Pill thoughts but saying little you probably get the maximum value with the minimum hassles.

Akrixus · 2016-06-29T06:39:40+00:00

Start talking less and calm the fuck down.

I agree with the point of this post and i've tried implementing, but i've run into one problem, whenever I do this people instantly assume somethings wrong, and of course when I say no it's perceived as just not telling whats wrong, how do I deal with this?

Impun1ty · 2016-06-29T14:11:13+00:00

People have called me cool my entire life, it took me years to figure out why but it's just my general presence.

I don't let stuff get to me, so I don't get annoyed and panic unless it's REALLY justifiable. It's not productive to freak out, it makes you look weak and it just makes situations worse. Stay calm.

Mindful thinking over impulsive reactions at all times. This benefits me greatly in life, but it also creates this appearance of being in deep thought a lot. Almost as if being around that person doesn't bother you in the slightest, you care so little what people think of you that you are in your head and not in the room with them. It just looks cool.

This is why you see "cool" people so laid back, they probably look relaxed in every situation they're in even when they're not.

NietzscheExplosion · 2016-06-29T14:55:16+00:00

I realize this post is straight outta "How to win friends and influence people".

But

FUCK THIS. I'm loud i'm proud and people that don't like it can kiss my ass. I am so sick of fake people fake tactics and would rather act myself and wind up with 2-3 real friends than a bunch of phoney fuckers.

Jakecarguy · 2016-06-29T16:27:28+00:00

I have tried both the strategies

When you talk less,do controlled talking not only women but also men see you as a higher value person.People in general respects you a lot more than you than a talker.However, there is a bad side to this.It is incredibly hard to do the mental work which can lead you to bed.You need to foresee things and talking isn't that entertaining this way.In fact, I have made women ask me out using this technique.This is indeed a very powerful technique.

When you talk a lot, you just have fun.People don't respect you but they will all laugh with you.Women consider you as equal or inferior to them.Of course, you have to initiate conversation every time.The advantage is you do not give a fuck about what others think or not.

My strategy with women

I am that guy who is into technical stuffs.Women do not understand it and although its so fascinating for me, its boring for them so what I do is to watch the most important keywords when they talk.I do not interfere when they talk but if there is a space, I reply them using the keyword they used.This is an amazing strategy if you do not get anything to talk with women.If you are rambling, all these do not really matter though.

estelelessar · 2016-06-29T05:11:53+00:00

So basically, be Don Draper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQM8UKgt3Qs

hipfash3 · 2016-06-29T07:27:33+00:00

I find this tough. Often in a social situation I have nothing to say. If I don't say anything there will be a lingering awkward silence. If I say something from top of my head I'd say something absolutely stupid.

lJunKunl · 2016-06-29T11:51:42+00:00

This is difficult.

I've tried this and my head shuts down, I don't know what to say. A girl was unbelievably into me and I blew it by trying to be "nonreactive and not desperate" and she ended up telling everyone that I was socially awkward and didn't know how to talk.

In other instances when this doesn't happen, I'm creepy.

Advice?

therhymerr · 2016-06-29T12:14:10+00:00

Try applying some of this in the work place you would get fired so quick

Surfincloud9 · 2016-06-29T14:36:07+00:00

This is cool. I do all of this. I found out I did most of everything on this sub before I even discovered the redpill. I just do me. I get called mysterious by most women and they love it. Gives them a puzzle to figure out but trust me, it works. I am quite withdrawn from everything. I do have hobbies but I am just not completely vested in relationships. I don't trust people. It's what 7 years of heroin addiction and fucking people over did.

roeddit · 2016-06-29T06:05:41+00:00

The burden of the conversation is still on the guy when approaching. The ideal is to make it seem effortless and fun while engaging the girl, not to simply not talk as much. Rambling is an essential part of game IMO.

cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum · 2016-06-29T16:48:47+00:00

This gets posted then a week later somebody will post "Talk to everybody".

ShouldersofGiants127 · 2016-06-29T05:44:19+00:00

One of my favorite lessons in 48 Laws was this one. The way they described King Louis seemed like the personification of power

Xeagu · 2016-06-29T05:50:12+00:00

How do you balance this with creepy/awkward silence? I suppose you have to lead with questions to get the other person talking, but second to that, how do you behave when neither party talks.

Too often I get the "why are you just staring at me?" response when toning down how much I talk.

Chibichurro · 2016-06-29T06:39:48+00:00

Depends. Depends I think being conversational is fine as long as you actually listen. Propagating people's bullshit is okay until you meet someone smart enough to realize your adding nothing to the conversation.

I think being yourself is better. And some days taking a break from speaking if your a conversational type.

There was a quote to never be categorizable and dynamic as fuck so switch it up but always be polite and aloof is fall back if turns foolish.

chances_are_ur_a_fag · 2016-06-29T06:41:49+00:00

I'll try coming up to a broad at the bar next time and just say "oh yeah?" and give her the eyebrow. lol. but no I get what you're saying, good point.

rpthaw · 2016-06-29T07:39:04+00:00

It is not wrong to try these kinds of calibrations. But I think both talking a lot and talking little can work well. They are just different styles.

Timeleap · 2016-06-29T08:13:55+00:00

Generally speaking less with girls appears to be a good way of measuring your “progress“ in terms of attraction.

Whenever there's a break whilst talking to a girl and she reinitiates the conversation, you're doing it right.

It pretty much boils down to being mysterious - girls love that shit.

throwawaycomedian95 · 2016-06-29T09:33:17+00:00

Law 4: Always Say Less than Necessary

There are times when it is unwise to be silent. Silence can arouse suspicion and even insecurity, especially in your superiors; a vague or ambiguous comment can open you up to interpretations you had not bargained for. Silence and saying less than necessary must be practiced with caution, then, and in the right situations.

Armydude19 · 2016-06-29T12:17:59+00:00

Shit I've had to do this my whole life because of my stutter.

But yeah I believe the whole, "when you speak people will listen." In my case when I'm around people that know me, they know if I say anything it's because it's an absolute must in my case, and a contribution to the conversation.

PantsonFire1234 · 2016-06-29T12:22:45+00:00

I never understood how guys never got this. Sometimes I'm out in public and there's your typical fedora wearing manboob who keeps droning on about bullshit. An endless waterfall of words.

That's not attractive or respectable at all. Brevity is the soul of wit.

Fulp_Piction · 2016-06-29T12:24:18+00:00

This isn't a hard and fast rule, assess your own situation before just talking less cos trp.

It's hard to keep anybody in your frame if you don't talk. If it works for you guys, adapt it, however I think talking to everyone is a much better strategy. If somebody isn't really listening or whatever just move on to the next person.

Diddly-Doodly · 2016-06-29T12:57:31+00:00

Nothing worse than rambling.

alreadyfrustrated · 2016-06-29T13:09:47+00:00

Maybe, but this runs counter to the general advice of 'cocky funny' etc. I'm a quiet guy who generally smirks rather than comments, it really doesn't help.

Benny757 · 2016-06-29T13:58:44+00:00

True this, OP. It has been said that women speak 70 percent more words a day than men.

In my experience this percentage really should be like 500 percent more than men

Jeezus Christo, tell me all, how do we get the gals to shut the fuck up. Anyone else driven to irritation and even to the point of bursting at all the pointless, aimless noise and chatter, and irrelevant talk coming from gals generally? It's like a constant, constant demand for validation all day long. "Entertain me, Entertain me" they say, all day long.

Ugh. MGTOW

Impun1ty · 2016-06-29T14:01:12+00:00

What's an example of trying to "one up" someone?

JustTitDirt · 2016-06-29T14:35:26+00:00

"People will listen when you speak if you speak less."

In my teenage years I would talk so little that on the rare occasions I would open my mouth the entire room would go silent and listen intently on what I had to say.

raisins3142 · 2016-06-29T15:04:53+00:00

This is less true for witty and charming people. If you are funny and positive with good stories then people like listening more.

Transmigratory · 2016-06-29T15:22:00+00:00

So talk less = less chances to make a blunder?

bleed_red_white_blue · 2016-06-29T16:15:58+00:00

Different personalities need different adjustments but I was one of the hyper fucks that used this advice.

My two cents

See yourself as calm and possessing equanimity. You act from that place no matter what. Observe your thoughts and observe your body too. Watch how the blood seems to pulse faster when you feel anger and how your heart beats faster as you get excited.

One of the principal things is not to take the cheap shots all the time. I used to get lots of laughs outta people by doing this but it type cast me as this bitter clown. Nobody wants to be around that sort of negativity not even you yourself.

Kyle2166 · 2016-06-29T16:19:16+00:00

Great post. "Oh yeah" in particular works fucking wonders. This shit is my go to and has worked everytime I've tried it from like 5th grade to 11th grade and I imagine it will continue to work. Women are all the same, no matter the age.

The less you talk, the more they want you to talk. The more you say, the less valuable your words are. They carry less weight.

newusername4856 · 2016-06-29T17:03:53+00:00

I don't agree with you, OP. I mean, you don't want to be a Sasuke Uchiha, or any other character like that because they don't exist in real life.

Are you going to be that quiet weird guy, waiting passively or do you wanna be the one to control the interaction? The later is a less manly thing to do, I agree, but it doesn't care if you have success, ala Owen Cook.

redpillschool · 2016-06-29T17:28:04+00:00

Address the community properly

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/about/rules/

Testiklease · 2016-06-29T13:22:19+00:00

I have been conscious of my horrible habit of saying too much. Or just spouting off random shit that comes in my head. I've also found that I tend to do it when I am "too" comfortable with my surroundings. Letting the frame that I had been building, fall down.

eg. I got a job in a restaurant 2 years ago, a bit after swallowing the pill. In the beginning I wasn't tense but I also wasn't overly comfortable. Entering this new clique of people whom were all unfamiliar, I did good choosing my words and when to comment on topics. As said many times before. When I did speak, the people around me would quiet down and turn to listen.

I began stepping out of this frame I built, saying shit that had no place in any discussion (random mind). I could see the people beginning to distance from me. These people went from being welcoming and excited to see me, and I could more cold shoulders, less invitations to events out side of the workplace.

Keep your cool, Establish and maintain frame. You don't have to be fake about who you are, I am sure you are a cool person. But don't lean back to far where the chair may topple.

GoingToMAGA · 2016-06-29T14:34:02+00:00

My ltr gets so mad at me for being a man of few words

then again she wants me to plow her twice a day everyday

Catdick66 · 2016-06-29T06:39:48+00:00

My god this sub has gone to shit, how the fuck did this get upvotes?

"People will listen if you speak, when you speak less." No they dont, you're just awkward at that point and uninteresting.

Next there will be top thread of "Stop socializing at a party, stand on the wall and talk to nobody, you will be mysterious and women will be attracted to you"

Title	Start talking less
Author	PragmaticRedTruth
Upvotes	250
Comments	86
Date	June 29, 2016 3:01 AM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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