Stop making posts "challenging" men to get married. It's a terrible deal/risk for men in the west.

PumpDumpPumpDump · 2015-03-13T22:01:17+00:00

It actually seems like it's a pretty small set of people who are making most of the posts, but in high volumes.

Most men who've been married will admit, at a minimum, that it's got lots of downsides and risks. The best case version of it I can get out of close friends is "it's got lots of problems, and I envy you for being single, but it's great for kids." More common responses are along the lines of "I hate my wife" or "don't ever, ever, ever get married."

Part of the Red Pill is being able to see through your own bullshit. If you can't do that, you're just posturing. It happens on both sides of the debate. If you say marriages never ever work and they're always going to be hell, you're wrong, because it is possible to have a happy one. But mostly they don't work, and often they're hell, and they're a big gamble, because you're entering into a contract that was designed to benefit women, not men. Marriage is designed to promote the female default sexual strategy (one guy to one woman who gives her stuff in exchange for having babies, and possibly raising the babies of a better man she already slept with).

Telling men they should get married is like telling women they should join a harem. Maybe it could work out, and some women would probably like it. But a harem isn't designed with a woman's interests in mind.

If you are running around calling yourself "The Captain" or "The Patriarch" and telling people their entire purpose in life is to spit out babies, you might need to go read the sidebar some more.

mordanus · 2015-03-13T23:42:13+00:00

Marriage is life on hard mode. Having an arm ripped off by a tractor and trying to learn the piano is music on hard mode. Rubbing chicken guts all over yourself and swimming through piranha infested waters is swimming on hard mode. None of these should be a desirable thing to someone.

When you get married you taking a spin on the roulette table. Maybe your wife will be faithful. Maybe your wife won't punch you in the face whenever she feels like it and call the cops when you resist. Maybe you won't get divorce raped and have everything you love taken away from you. Maybe you will be able to pay the alimony or child support and not be arrested. Too many people take this gamble and get destroyed by the consequences of marriage. Don't do it.

GayLubeOil · 2015-03-13T23:51:14+00:00

If I make a post saying that men shouldn't use motorcycles as their daily transportation because of the statistically high risk, ill instantly get a lot of motorcycle butt mad. I love my motorcycle it's awesome it has X Y Z advantage. Im a great driver ill be fine.

But it doesnt matter. You can be an amazing motorcycle rider or a great husband you can still get fucked up. You are not in complete control of the situation. Regardless of how amazing you are your wife or another driver can still fuck you up. And there is nothing you can do about it.

SpawnQuixote · 2015-03-13T21:53:33+00:00

As a 50 year old guy who has fought the vaginal support system called family court, this guy has it nailed.

You are by default the bad guy and have to prove you're not. Things may be getting better in some ways but in many ways, they are getting worse.

USA is getting downright creepy with its pushing of social justice as a form of change when it's actually more stalinist communism bullshit in another wrapper.

Berend09 · 2015-03-13T21:49:50+00:00

Prenups can get thrown away? I had no idea. What kind of shitty legal binding document is this?

I had no idea that your prenup can be arbitrarily discarded. What is the reason for this?

Aquasven · 2015-03-13T22:23:17+00:00

Getting married is like sewing one of your own legs off.
''Yeah,I definitely have a harder life then you guys now.''
Uh oh.

''But you know what, I managed to find happiness despite losing a leg, I'm living my life just fine.''

''So be a man and sew your leg off as well you pussy.''

No one argues that happiness is impossible in marriage.It's possible but the whole premise is filled with stupidity.
Why would you purposely handicap yourself for the rest of your life?
Why would any man with a sane mental mind limit his own ability to walk away from a woman by willfully signing up for a financial guillotine hanging over his head at all times?
Just so you can be more manly?Fuck off please.

That's the same pile of shit feminists spew:
''Men are supposed to be manly and be able to deal with our shit, if they don't then they're not real men.''
That's the same bs rhethoric coming from some TRP brothers who in my opinion have no place here.

''screw yourself over and be happy in marriage, because you can take it, because you're a man''

It's already too late..men who spread shit like this are already downgraded to beta's.
Once you give up your rationality by giving up your most amazing ability..that is to recognize that you fucked up and to learn from those mistakes..once you give that up the male hamster starts running.

And who can blame these poor men?Realizing you've literally given away half of your financial power (money made by your HARD work,time and life energy) to a woman for the rest of your life for NO reason at all but the mindfuckery propagated by feminism.
Who can blame these men for running away mentally and letting the hamster spin?
But a real man never runs away, you admit your mistake and you soak it the fuck up.

The only men that survive a marriage with their full male potential intact are the ones that recognize they fucked up big time by marrying and act up to minimize the damage in the ways they can.
Real men own up to their shit, so they should normally still get respect from their wives.

But looking at the divorce-rape statistics..I'm sure plenty of alpha's have been assfucked just as badly by their spouse.
(I mean come on, you can walk away...but she can walk away and take half of your money AND 8 out of 10 the kids with it..Who the fuck are we kidding?It doesn't take much for even a woman no matter how stupid she is to understand that SHE has the POWER over YOU, her man.
And maybe some unicorns can deal with that power but we all know how it's going down when a woman is behind the wheel..)
And not only that, the very men who get raped in divorce have thrown a gigantic wedding party mostly out of their own pocket to celebrate the moment they unconsciously weaponized their ''Bride''.
Is there any limit to the humiliation society has put the male gender through lately?
Is this shit going to go even further and dirtier?Who knows...

Keeping your spouse cool and under control, as if one is constantly managing a nuclear reactor.
Even if you do manage to keep things safe and under control through TRP marriage tactics you will be under constant stress.
Perpetually worrying about the state-of-mind of your woman, you may appear like an alpha, you may have her under your control and at your whim, but the truth is you're not keeping her happy and sane because you want to, but because you have to.All your actions are constantly governed by the overarching threat of the power she wields over you.Whether she's ready to use it or not,whether she's even aware of it or not.
''Fuck it, I'll divorce her!''
And each single check, or promotion, will be slashed for the sake of your ex-wife, and each single time your alpha dignity will itch horribly and remind you.. there's someone out there with control over YOUR life.
Got lucky enough that your income is now eclipsing the alimony?Brace yourself for the ex-wife spurting herself to claim her lion-share in front of the courts, once again.
The only way to forget is to bleed and sacrifice enough ego and dignity till you hit beta levels of sanity and let the hamster reassure you that ''she deserves this,marriage is the right thing, she was the first love of my life, I do it for the kids, society expects me to do this I'm just being a real man.''
Whatever happens, once you enter the marriage contract you are BRANDED for LIFE.
No man should make his soul go through such an abonimation of a contract.
I once used to wonder what the deal was with the stories of aged men sitting in bars ruminating,regretting and venting about their ex-wife this and their current wife that...with a chunk of their soul dead and stuck in the past.
I now understand.

A man can in theory overcome everything.But a man is also just a simple human.We desire happiness.Don't go through hell if you don't have to.

One thing is sure, you especially don't try to lure younger brothers into the vile trap you once fell into, that's some woman level of nastiness.

leredditarmy5000 · 2015-03-13T22:52:21+00:00

I spoke to a family lawyer recently out of concern for this sort of thing. As far as property rights, having a child is virtually the same has being married.

In order to maintain your independence and property, you need to be common law and have no children.

Even then, she will be entitled to whatever she put in.

alritealritealrite · 2015-03-14T04:22:00+00:00

Every morning at break each of my coworkers take turns bitching about their spouses. One even has to call his wife during breaks and "check in." It's not uncommon for someone's wife to call and bitch one of them out either. Meanwhile I'll sit there and take turns heckling them for being married. I'm going to start keeping track of how many times I hear "happy wife happy life."

iBrokeRSA · 2015-03-13T22:50:25+00:00

Agreed, those clowns who actually advocate marriage are still blue as blue. Marriage is such a huge commitment for men that these men are victims of the sunk-cost fallacy -- they can't or won't let go of their oneitis without blowing up the rest of their life, so they rationalize that it's possible to have hand as a man in a marriage. I mean, sure, it is possible, but it's a lot of work for what benefits exactly? If you have little to no interest in children, marriage offers you absolutely NOTHING you can't get elsewhere.

TheRedPill is about getting the most out of life as a man. If you're alpha enough to have a redpill marriage, you're alpha enough to do whatever you want outside of that legal structure -- why handicap yourself with a wife who is financially incentivized to turn on you?

Statecensor · 2015-03-14T00:05:25+00:00

Living with a woman and not getting married but having children with her is actually worse then being married. Not only do you lose out on the small legal benefits and protections from being married but you face the exact same risk regarding child support. Sure you can skip not paying her alimony or half of your fortune but depending on how wealthy you are to begin with the child support payments alone could be enough to crush your spirit if you are making less then 80k and you live on the west or east coast. For men with working class jobs like tradesmen, salarymen and high paying but still blue collar jobs with no family wealth getting married is not worse then having a baby momma. I am not saying you should marry your kid's mother just pointing out some of the alternatives could be just as bad if not worse.

So you should include never having children with your post Aptway along with not getting married.

Kubomi · 2015-03-13T22:16:32+00:00

Misery loves company. It's all just married dudes who want more people going through that shit with them so they feel like their decision isn't as bad.

NoRegretj · 2015-03-13T22:20:08+00:00

Subtle shills, I swear. Coaxing people out of this is deadly as fuck because they'll publicly denounce us even more. Don't get married.

PM_Me_For_Drugs · 2015-03-13T23:45:12+00:00

agreed - the state is alpha male. unless youre a billionaire she's marrying a beta. stings a bit

winter-sleep · 2015-03-14T11:17:30+00:00

Another 50 year old here...

OP is spot on... Don't get married. However, as others have mentioned you don't even need to get married to get squeezed.

For some perspective... my federal taxes + child support is in excess of $50,000/year. Think about that for a moment...

symko · 2015-03-14T01:09:06+00:00

Many RP guys talk about the negatives of getting married, and they went and got married. ex. Bill Burr. I've yet to hear him or any others talk about the positives, I know women know some positives about getting married. Why do men talk shit about marriage but yet they still do it?

3789143792849381 · 2015-03-13T22:27:08+00:00

Stop making posts "challenging" men to get married.

I agree with your reasoning, but disagree with your post.

Once you've hit your mid-to-late 20s, people will start trying to convince you to get married. Some will be overt about it, some will call you immature, some will talk about how marriage makes your stronger or "better", you name it.

And guess what, some of them will be really damn convincing.

If you can't articulate to yourself why you shouldn't get married, while reading an intelligent post on TRP arguing otherwise, then you'll have a difficult time convincing yourself of that IRL as well...when the feminine imperative is doing it's damnedest convince you, you better be prepared.

Iron sharpens iron, as they say.

mrp3anut · 2015-03-14T00:21:37+00:00

Hmm maybe we can just alternate between post of guys complaining about what another guy posts

If you don't want to get married then don't. Crying about someone else posting about marriage is group think bullshit.

disposable_pants · 2015-03-14T02:26:18+00:00

I think most of the posts that don't immediately write off marriage come from one of three places:

Men who are married, are happy, and don't see that their situation is not typical,
Men who are married, are unhappy, and are still rationalizing about it, or
Men who want kids, see marriage as a likely part of that equation, and want to figure out how to lower the risk for themselves.

Number one is fine because it usually focuses on how to maintain a happy marriage, and plenty of people on this sub either are or at some point will be married -- it's fair to discuss strategies for maximizing their chance of success. Number two is misguided and that's almost always recognized and called out.

Number three has plenty of room for discussion but the threads are too often short circuited with "don't get married, period", "get a vasectomy, period", "marry someone else, period", etc. This is poor quality discussion as it ignores reality: Many people want kids (there is no rational argument against this) and marriage is often the best way to have them (imagine the quality of woman that will have your children out of wedlock and compare that to LTR material).

I'm fine with squashing "marriage is good", "marriage is a worthy challenge", "real men get married", etc. discussion because as OP points out it's settled opinion that marriage is a highly risky endeavor, but too often needlessly anti-marriage comments swamp a thread on topics one or three.

kevkos · 2015-03-14T00:16:57+00:00

Totally agree, +1, and marriage is bad for everyone even women. The key with all of the marriage posts is we have to make sure to separate marriage from LTR.

You can have a successful LTR, EVEN with kids. In fact it will likely be healthier than having a marriage with kids.

LTR = voluntary choice to be in the relationship. Anyone can leave at any time and that's a GOOD thing, this means you AND your sig other will more likely be on your best behavior, unless you want them to leave you.

Marriage = relationship based on a contract, enforced by LAWS which do not favor the man and allow the woman to behave shittily if she chooses to do so, and it's MUCH harder to get the fuck out of it when you change your mind about her. Kids believe it or not actually know when their parents are no longer in love, or HATE each other, and are better off with them apart.

So why get married besides that you are following along with society and tradition for tradition's sake?

sampson158 · 2015-03-14T06:12:29+00:00

Can confirm, I am a married man here. I took the redpill just a few months back. I can agree that no young man should marry until he has vested that woman over and over agian.

I have seen too many men get married and as soon as she has her intended litter she splits with over half of his wealth and paycheck. It is a life ruining event every time. These coworkers I see this happen too are always burdened with loosing half their homes, half their paycheck and sometimes they even give away more than half in order to protect their own retirement pensions, knowing that that could be their only light at the end of their tunnels.

I know a little about my own grandfather's divorce, and while his wife had been cheating, she still got the kids, until the kids decided she was crazy and then moved in with dad. But she had already gotten her claws into their son and this eventually led to a falling out between the two of them, that led to them not speaking to one another for almost 5 years, until he passed away. (my mother was the eldest daughter of the family) my little sister still remembers seeing my uncle crying his eyes out at his own fathers funeral because they never got to say their last goodbyes, because of the evil shit his mother planted in his brain that drove a wedge into what should have been a strong father son bond.

heed the warning young men, DO NOT marry too young, trust us older wiser men, while my marriage is not yet to end in the scrap heap, my wife has all the pitfalls of every woman (YES AWALT) she is greedy, does not plan, wants what she wants and wants it now, what's hers is hers and what is mine is hers, and I am attempting to establish a foothold on the relationship in a carefull manner without ending in divorce (a fine line i walk)

I have reat aathol kay's book married man sex life, and am following the ideals set forward there. I am looking for more books. I am also taking the initiative and doing my own thing without asking her permission first and letting her build her own dread game. no more mr nice guy. Improving my SMV and passing every shit test with reckless disinterest. And so it begins.

But remember teh initial warning men, DO NOT MARRY. at least not until she has proven herself time and time again. (personally if my wife left me, I would never marry again.)

faded_jester · 2015-03-14T01:07:09+00:00

"Challenge me to get married" lol

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's to be done. There is no real logical reason for men in the US to get married...and no amount of shit testing/shaming/whining is going to make me change my mind. To me this like saying "I challenge you to give me all your money and start over with nothing!"....um yeah I'm sure it would be challenging...but why the fuck would I do that?

hagenvontronje · 2015-03-14T09:47:10+00:00

People are advising marriage now? I've been gone for several months. Appeals to pride that involve "manning up" and losing nearly all leverage are for suckers.

rporion · 2015-03-13T21:46:08+00:00

You know what?

Where I live she won´t get half my stuff and/because prenups work.

My problem is that I would only marry to have children and I cannot even imagine having them ripped out of my life.

The really fucked up thing is, even if a woman were ready to make concessions, she can´t, the law won´t allow it.

R4F1 · 2015-03-14T00:30:53+00:00

Marriage is a personal choice, that people make with their own conscience, religion, family, whatever. People who try to guilt-trip members for being married, or challenging them to marry, should get an automatic warning and/or ban. TRP is amoral, we judge by ideas and arguments, not appeals to emotion.

RosewoodPill · 2015-03-14T06:56:52+00:00

One of the most intelligent posts yet. The marriage part is the hardest pill to swallow, because men are "gay" or "weird" if they dont get married. The threatpoint makes it too risky though.

javi404 · 2015-03-14T07:23:59+00:00

Thank you very much for posting this. As someone who has experienced this favoritism of women in the courts first hand (and I didn't even get married) I always tell young men here in the US, don't fucking do it. There is not positive to getting married in the west period. Why would you ever place a bet with those odds. I don't care who it is, don't let anyone tell you or bully you into marriage no matter who they are. Not family, not friends, not your SO. This isn't the 1930s. There is no positive benefit whatsoever for a man to get married these days.

NeopolitanAfterglow · 2015-03-13T23:37:11+00:00

Also getting extremely tired of the marriage apologists polluting this forum. It should be a topic that's open and shut in the span of a sentence or two, not some deep and philosophical matter that's explored in a multi-part series.

KilluaKanmuru · 2015-03-13T22:55:31+00:00

It's clear as day that marriage is just a bad business deal.

2015-03-14T00:26:16+00:00

Hear Hear!

This is a very good post! The man is right and we should not be arguing about getting married or not. Its a fact that in the west, marriage's costs outweigh the benefits.

Do not fall for the "Love" bullshit. She'll love you, til she doesn't need you. Keep reading the sidebar material. Do not try to feminize the material.

RedBigMan · 2015-03-14T09:28:32+00:00

All of the ECs and older members arguing against marriage aren't young, angsty guys in their 20s who are "regurgitating the sidebar."

Some of the EC's have gone through marriage bullshit too... Some more than once. When they say marriage is a crappy deal fucking believe them already!

If I told you I had a stock for you but you had to put everything down on it and if it was successful you'd get to keep your money (no return) but if you failed you lost half of everything would you take that investment? Hell no.

cascadecombo · 2015-03-14T03:19:53+00:00

Don't tell people to do either, show pros and cons and each man is then required to decided on his own.

2015-03-14T04:15:37+00:00

I see male dentists graduate all the time & they immediately finally get a physically attractive spouse. She gets knocked up immediately & spending his new income on suvs, new houses, renovated kitchens & multiple vacations per year. The wives address the guys by their last names in public. But you know what? These dumbfucks deserve it because they lack social intelligence & patience to find an ethical partner that actually cares for them. People love to blame their partners & don't want to own up to the partner they decided to pick. Nobody forced you to pick your financial & emotional rapist.

MattyAnon · 2015-03-14T05:26:05+00:00

you due to the threatpoint she now has on your life and the power exchange that occurs from marriage.

And don't think she's going to threaten you with divorce one day, and you laugh back in an alpha way and she crumbles and says "I love you really honey, I'd never leave you".

No. Gradually increasing demands. Expecting you to do half the housework (as well as all the breadwinning and man jobs). Sulking about how miserable it is being the woman of the house. Demanding more and more. Giving less and less. Sex will happen only when you've exceeded last month's efforts. Creating arguments which subconsciously you'll address in some way, and then she'll figure out somehow that you care. Perhaps even because you're trying to make things work (and yes - trying to make things work is why she created the argument, to detect how much you care, what you'll put up with. and no, you cannot win because just when you get the hang of this, she'll start crying that you no longer care about her).

She knows in some deep part of her lizardbrain that all she has to do... is gradually slowly make things worse for you and better for her. After all, she'll laugh to herself... what are you gonna do, leave?

thebalrog_ofmorgoth · 2015-03-14T06:13:02+00:00

if she is dead-set on getting married, I think that highlights that she may not be as quality of a woman as you might've thought.

This just doesn't make sense. It's been said time and again on this sub that it is in the best interest of a woman to get married. Every woman with a half-decent relationship with her father has been told to never give up her pussy unless she is married to a good man. We also know they don't always follow daddy's advice.

But I would consider it a sign that I have, in fact, found an intelligent woman with self respect if she insists on marriage. I sure as shit would, if I were a woman.

If I happen to be with a woman who is just fine with starting a family without a ring (i.e. following her biological imperative and making sure her children are provided for by me) i would be seriously suspicious of her quality.

4delicioustreats · 2015-03-14T11:19:40+00:00

People mostly misunderstand common law marriage. If you present yourself as married for a period of time, you can become common law married. Living together and raising children do not lead to common law marriage unless you present yourself as married.

TheRedPillMan1 · 2015-03-14T13:01:36+00:00

Listen everybody can have his own opinion. I don't blame guys for not getting married but just don't pretend that it's the better solution than getting married.

For instance what stops your unmarried SO from leaving your ass with the kids to go live with her parents while you pay for the kids? What stops her from bringing a guy to the house you're renting together so that she can fuck him all day while pissing you off?

Glenbert · 2015-03-14T15:22:20+00:00

There have been a lot of posts lately addressing...

Is this not the very definition of concern trolling?

CanadianMastermind · 2015-03-14T16:12:35+00:00

I'm not a legal expert by any means, and I know it varies from region to region, but most places in North America there's very little difference between 1) being married, and 2) being common law.

In my province, for example, you will be declared common law after living together for 24 months and satisfying a few other criteria (sharing expenses, clearly displaying to others that you're a "couple" and not just roommates, etc). After that, you're eligible for 50/50 split of resources upon separation, just as if you had been married.

So you can't escape the drawbacks of marriage just by not getting married. In most places, you'll have to do a lot more than that. Never having kids with someone, not living with them, not sharing expenses, etc. Because if you do those things, you'll be declared common law and will essentially be married in the eyes of the law.

BCFtrip · 2015-03-14T00:42:19+00:00

One of the points of this sub is thinking for yourself realistically, you can decide what to do. Very few commands should be given here.

Overkillengine · 2015-03-14T04:03:46+00:00

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Sesa_Refum · 2015-03-14T02:24:49+00:00

You know those big-ass animals, tigers or w/e, that will dig their sharp claws into prey to take them down, but then its those claws that are nice and curled at the tips so they tear a phat joo¢y chunk of flesh back out of whatever gazal or cantelope they decided to fuck up that day?

Getting married is letting a woman sink her claws into you and then praying they won't pull out

WingsnLV · 2015-03-14T15:27:07+00:00

Who gives a shit? Marry, don't marry. It's up to the man to decide what is best for his own life. If you are making this decision based on feedback from strangers on the internet you have more that child support and alimony to worry about.

PlanB_pedofile · 2015-03-14T15:56:30+00:00

We need posts for the already married man though. Some are currently shit deep with 10 years in a marriage with kids. Go back 10 years and they would of foregone the whole marriage deal.

Thing is, red pill deals with is you cannot undo the past. What happened has happened. You're married now. You're fucked for life. Now lets take back control of the ship and at least navigate this better.

Young men in your teens and twenties. CONGRATS! You all have advanced knowledge and red flags to avoid these traps. You know what older men had to look up to in our pre marriage days? Al Bundy. Married with Children was pretty much a comedy show with underlying redpill truths.... even playboy Hugh Hefner got married.

So for the married posts on here. This is for those who put the ring on years ago and need navigation for this modern shit world.

redpillschool · 2015-03-14T16:06:19+00:00

You know the rules

long-lostfriend · 2015-03-14T16:11:08+00:00

I agree that any talk of "challenging" should be shut down. However, so should the bitching at those of us who are pulling off some semblance of a Red Pill marriage.

4delicioustreats · 2015-03-16T05:14:00+00:00

I am married. I'd say if you already are married, probably may as well stay married, the downsides are already present. There is very limited upside. Consider all of the following if you're thinking about married. This would be my ruleset:

She comes from a very traditional family where infidelity and divorce will get her ostracized.
You have known her >5 years, preferably >10 years and have observed her behavior. Watch out for typical cock carousel riding, worship by betas and bar star, travel slut or any other behaviors that will make her think she is God's gift to humanity
Potentially a good thing if she's Christian, though this is decaying at an alarming rate. Lots of misandry in the more young, "Liberal" or "Seeker sensitive" Churches.
SMV of at least 2 points lower than you. "Marriage material" relates to her personality, not her body or her sexuality. Therefore you will certainly marry uglier than you can bag.
She has hit the wall and knows it.
She is traditional in that she understands that marriage means the end of male friends, end of girls nights out, end of putting on a red dress and strutting her stuff. She understands that a "night out" will mean a home roasted chicken and another couple coming over.
You are ready and willing to get on the hardest fucking treadmill of your life. Marriage is a dumping ground of yourself into something that is not you. It is akin to death. You will have to continue to get better every year for the rest of the marriage.
You understand that any form of weakness, real or perceived, your fault or not, will result in divorce, alimony, child support and general bitch behavior.

Ok, Got all that? Now tell me you want to be married.

thelotusknyte · 2015-03-14T05:25:59+00:00

I often tell myself that if I had discovered TRP before I got married I probably never would have.

What about though, for people who are religious and believe in their religion? Setting aside the discussion as to whether they're being duped or not, do you think of a solution for people who don't have sex before marriage etc?

StupidButSerious · 2015-03-14T03:43:56+00:00

Do like me, go to Japan and get some hot 30 years old woman who will cook and clean for you without giving shit. That you can marry.

javi404 · 2015-03-14T04:07:10+00:00

The problem is that everybody in this sub seems to have married a terrible cunt - which describes the vast majority of women in the world. Not to be sexist, because I think most men are fucking retarded, too. So much hyperbole in every response.

Impulsive people with terrible values make terrible decisions. But marriage has benefits if you aren't an idiot about it. After almost 25 years, marriage has been a good investment for me and my wife.

We're both professionals. She makes good money, even working reduced hours. When she wasn't working with the kids, I still put money into to Roth IRAs which have appreciated nicely tax free. If we weren't married, I wouldn't have been able to contribute to my Roth during those times. (Now we make too much money to contribute!)

There have been times that I have been covered under her work insurance and vice-versa. It has probably saved us tens-of-thousands of dollars over the span of a career. Couldn't have done that without being married.

We've also benefit from increased allowable tax deductions. Now, we're probably a special case. We're well compensated and looked at marriage as just that: an investment and legal contract. Even if we got divorced someday - which I highly doubt (we dated for almost seven years before marriage, so we've been together for 30+ years and raised two kids), we'd both be better off than if we merely went at it alone.

MachiavellianRed · 2015-03-14T00:22:13+00:00

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IllimitableMan · 2015-03-14T01:02:17+00:00

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psychedelicjourney · 2015-03-14T02:06:28+00:00

I also don't understand how you guys focus everything towards "in the west", it's all the same anywhere else.

TheRichness · 2015-03-14T03:18:21+00:00

I'm a man. I want to get married and have babies.

2015-03-14T04:00:04+00:00

Nice people men or women can have a horrible marriage or a good one. It's up to the people involved to build trust & keep the relationship (if that's what they want.). It doesn't have to mean marriage necessarily. People that are hellbent on "being married" are trying to fill some other ego status or legal checklist.

usku · 2015-03-14T14:53:00+00:00

Some irony in this. If you can't manage a woman, don't get married. Simple as that.

You can argue it's a bad deal all you want. Hamster it all you want.

But like any high risk investment, the rewards are there for the taking. Hedge your bets, and pick the right investment.

Marriage is not for everyman. Many will fail, horribly. Not because of lack of effort but because you made poor decisions choosing.

Moldy_Gecko · 2015-03-14T05:49:41+00:00

You guys are actually bringing this up more than people have been suggesting marriage. And people aren't even promoting marriage, they are just giving you the best options should you choose to accept it. Most of what I suggest is about marrying in Asia. While you guys may not be 20 somethings espouting the sidebar, you are making it sound like it.

solaris1990 · 2015-03-14T11:15:11+00:00

Marriage is a good deal for some men and a bad deal for others, largely depends on their circumstances, sexual market value, etc. I will say that while I only know U.S. marriage by reputation though, it does seem quite appalling, but you're making grand claims about the entire West? I am quite sure that we are not all as nuts about alimony and child support but anyway the burden of proof is on you if you're to make that statement. Is marriage in Sweden so fucked? France? Germany? Spain? It might be... but you must provide some evidence otherwise it's mainly empty words.

Title	Stop making posts "challenging" men to get married. It's a terrible deal/risk for men in the west.
Author	aptway
Upvotes	459
Comments	302
Date	March 13, 2015 9:31 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2yyd7g/stop_making_posts_challenging_men_to_get_married/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/TheRedPill/stop-making-posts-challenging-men-to-get-married.30189 https://theredarchive.com/post/30189

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