Theredpill only gets a bad rap because its so true that it hurts.

Warlizard · 2013-05-09T01:50:03+00:00

There is a middle ground, and while I understand the sentiment, you're only partially right.

The part you're missing is that there are women out there who are worth your time, your effort, and your regard.

The more time you spend with idiots, the less likely you are to meet them.

Don't get me wrong, I did the man-whore thing and had a blast, but until I met my wife I held the same opinion you have now.

Just a thought.

pirateundies · 2013-05-09T02:03:22+00:00

I love the post, but I disagree on some of the corollaries. Particularly the narcissist.

Narcissists are really only confident as long as they have narcissistic supply and a sense of control over how they are perceived by others. When those things come crashing down they often go through an experience that feels very much like death.

I get the relevant relation of a narcissist to the dark triad, but I think it's important to keep in mind that in many ways a narcissist is like an exaggeration of that stereotypical guy who thinks he's manly because of his big truck and his gun. But then when his truck gets wrecked and he no longer has it, and his gun isn't nearby, he's just another mangina.

cooledcannon · 2013-05-09T02:01:52+00:00

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telnet_reddit_80 · 2013-05-09T12:53:23+00:00

I went to the gym, did some really heavy squats, some bench, etc...

I see no mention of oats. Puss.

be_tru · 2013-05-09T04:41:03+00:00

Core redpill truths and their corollaries:

Women are attracted to confidence; No one is more confident than a narcissist.

Women are attracted to calm strength, not anxiety; No one is more calm than a sociopath.

Women are attracted to dominant men; Disagreeable, even violent men, are the most dominant.

Women are attracted to men who embrace risk; Dangerous men, and men in dangerous settings are the most comfortable embacring risk.

This is all true. But remember, you can have too much of a good thing. Someone worth your time will understand that humility is also an attractive and necessary trait in a partner. And will see through the bullshit immediately anyways.

"Women shouldn't vote."

"Women are whores."

"Women something something something negative i'm not gonna give you a reason why and if you ask for it i'll just ignore you or edit my original comment so I don't sound like such an asshole"

This is why people don't like you. If you're going to make blanket statements like that, that you know are going to piss folks off, then you have to be ready to back them up. Or at least be willing to attempt to.

It's really sad cause I think red pill could be a good thing for men. I think society/tv really fucks with what men and women believe are standards for a relationship. I see men everyday in marriages where they have no say in anything. They keep the peace cause they don't wanna fight. I mean, even sitcoms tell us women are supposed to be controlling and bitchy and men are supposed to go to work and come home and just zone out. (and most make out the man to be the less intelligent of the two) This isn't fair and makes for bad relationships. We have spent years and years as a society working to change the worlds view on women and I think we forgot that the way we view men has to evolve and change too. This could be a place to help that. It's just you're so deep in bullshit that you have to dig really fucking far and most folks just aren't willing to.

Edit: To clarify! The bullshit (in the last paragraph) i'm referring to is not anybody's views or ideologies. I can see how it was misleading. I really meant bullshit as in everything that comes together to give reddit's general populace a negative opinion on TRP. It was brought to my attention my language is undesirable as well. Sorry. :( I really gotta work on that. Also, when I say "This is why people don't like you." I mean that in the most literal sense. Those kinds of controversial views and statements are what makes other members of reddit wary or maybe makes them write off TPR before they give it a chance. I don't think they're wrong or invalid. They're opinions and therefore cannot be wrong. So, yea, super sorry for cussing and for coming off combative. My intentions were to do the opposite. :)

Futsushi · 2013-05-09T02:02:46+00:00

Great post. As someone in a 10 year marriage, I don't have plates spinning (I do get some flirty texts and stuff but for the most part, play them off). TRP woke me up to taking control of my life, my future, my family. My sex life is 1000% better.

I have begun to receive hate mail because I only have this one reddit account and I don't care. I am same person who has swallowed TRP and will still reach out in /r/deadbedrooms or talk in many other subs that I am interested in.

The reality is that my wife is happier and a part of me wants to post a picture to all the haters with my wife only in an apron doing dishes and smiling (but I won't). She is still the same women and still has her moments but has straight out told me that she is so much happier now than before.

I look better than I have in 14 years, I feel better and I am not bitter towards any woman on the planet (or any man for that matter, I no longer feel some insecure pseudo hamster telling me to compete with them on who can get walked on the best).

If you really do love women and embrace them for who they are (accepting all of their faults as you know they love yours) then you should be redpill.

real-boethius · 2013-05-09T01:46:56+00:00

Nothing is as offensive as the truth. Freedom of speech without the right to offend means nothing.

jngshin · 2013-05-09T18:14:04+00:00

no one will ever care about your problems if you are a man

RedSunBlue · 2013-05-09T01:43:03+00:00

I fully acknowledge, and even embrace these core values, and it brings me great success in life, in love, with women, professionally... The only people who dont like me are the feminists and the manginas. Why dont they love me too? Why dont they love TheRedPill? Because its very existence, and the successful nature of the men who frequent this little corner of the internet is proof positive that they are full of shit.

Karate/Kung-Fu/Tae Kwon Do/etc. practitioners of old refused to believe that a wiry bunch of Brazilians actually possessed some of the most powerful fighting methodology in the world until the Gracies began mercilessly beating the shit out of them.

In the same way, I believe that these manginas, living in their mangina bubbles, will not accept the true nature of current-day sexual dynamics until they bear witness to either a) the force of unchecked hypergamy or b) a successful red-pill man.

I pray they meet the latter first, although the former is a much better teacher.

juchanaut · 2013-05-09T06:51:17+00:00

Just out of curiosity. How old are you, good sir?

thebizzle · 2013-05-09T14:54:24+00:00

People just have general distaste for those who reject societies norms and pursue their own happiness because they are afraid to do the same. More people should ask themselves if they are happy, if they are happy with all the things they do in their lives and how the live it. People should not waste time caring about how others live their lives.

legendofpasta · 2013-05-09T10:28:44+00:00

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TDCRedPill · 2013-05-09T01:33:08+00:00

The only people who dont like me are the feminists and the manginas. Why dont they love me too? Why dont they love TheRedPill?

Would you mind adding to that to see if your experiences match mine? Those that hate the subreddit or manosphere writers, I can understand. The ideas present a very different worldview that has implications that their current worldview wants to reject: everyone is special, just be yourself and be nice and that's all you'll ever need, love is all you need, whatever. So hatred as a representative of TRP, I understand.

What I've felt and experienced though in personal relationship, male and female, sexual and platonic, has been a MASSIVE, INCALCULABLE increase in positivity. My sexual relationships have been far more satisfying. Less initial awkwardness in the 'getting to know you' phase, better sex, far better communication. Men and women both see the difference in my attitude and are FAR more warmer and respectful and caring than before. The change in bodyshape and fitness would have a lot to do with that as well, but I swear there is difference in how I carry and present myself. These werent really active choices on my part, but came naturally embracing red pill.

So, you say the feminists and manginas are rabid towards you, and that may be the case. I'm suspecting that the ones you see as rabid are the ones who only know you from your reddit posts. How well have you been getting along with feminists and manginas you come across in the real world?

redpillschool · 2013-05-09T03:17:44+00:00

As I always say in regard to haters- let them hate. So long as this theory gets me results, I don't give a shit!

RedSunBlue · 2013-05-09T02:22:20+00:00

Also, it seems that zionController has his own private downvote brigade.

Perhaps 'downvote groupies' is a more appropriate term in this case.

socal83 · 2013-05-09T01:49:13+00:00

howdy... yeah it's pretty much the same old shit.

bitter, virgin, misogynist, small dicked, rapist, 14 year old, lonely, closeted homosexual, smelly fatass with a bad hair cut living in my mom's basement, playing video games, unemployed, circlejerking in an echochamber while eating cheetohs and masturbating with my own tears of regret

also a jerk.

anyway, more to the point, people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want to be challenged. they don't want challenge in their work, their recreation, their exercise, or their personal relations. they are status quo seekers, nothing more, nothing less.

zionController · 2013-05-09T03:30:13+00:00

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zionController · 2013-05-09T01:47:19+00:00

This read is like looking into a mirror ~

Whisper · 2013-05-09T04:28:03+00:00

The only people who dont like me are the feminists and the manginas. Why dont they love me too? Why dont they love TheRedPill? Because its very existence, and the successful nature of the men who frequent this little corner of the internet is proof positive that they are full of shit.

It pains these people to think that some of us are hard working, fit, successful people who women find unbearably attractive in some way. They need to tell eachother that we arent real. Like kids who cant sleep at night and need their parents to tell them that there is no monster under their bed. Dont worry little mangina, just be yourself and the right woman will fall in love with you

Roissy said it before, you said it here, and I'll say it again:

Feminism, gender constructivism, and the whole Harrison Bergeran movement of cultural Marxists... they are all nothing but a sulky attempt to overturn the card table by people who have been dealt a bad hand.

They complain that it is unfair that some people have worse hands, and their solution is that no one is to have any cards at all. But the deal is random. And chaos does not play favorites.

RedSeddit · 2013-05-09T01:38:54+00:00

Good post Zion. The hate this sub recieves just brings in more users. When I first heard of this sub I was blue as they come but I made some changes and i am seeing the results pretty quickly.

The truth often hurts and what we get here is not surprising.

AlwaysLateToThreads · 2013-05-09T02:49:40+00:00

When I grow up I want to be like you.

W-Z-R · 2013-05-09T13:27:50+00:00

I've only just come across this subreddit and I'm a man, but I'd like to point out some things.

Narcissists are not self-confident, people with NPD have extremely fragile senses of self.
I sort of agree with this
Women are not attracted to violent men, if a man defends himself or her violently, she will be turned on, but general violent behaviour seems weak (see the point about calm strength)
Some are, some are not, women want a man who can provide, if the risk taker provides her with fun but ruins himself he will only ever be a short term thing for her.

Not all women are the same, some women prefer more controllable men, because maybe they had a bad upbringing with an abusive father and don't trust men, so feel the need to be on control. Which is my main point, firstly you can get regularly laid by being the dark triad alpha but this partly selection bias, you go to places where specifically the women who want the persona you have created for yourself also spend time. Different women have different tastes. You might be the most desired male, but only at the bar, or the poolside or wherever you have the most success. Secondly women's tastes change throughout their lives, early twenties they want to have fun, but beyond that it becomes about security and yes having kids and whether or not the guy will be a good father figure.

2013-05-09T12:34:55+00:00

You make some conclusions here I'm just not sure I agree with.

Women are attracted to confidence; No one is more confident than a narcissist.

Narcissist: a person who is overly self-involved, and often vain and selfish. I often find these people to be the most insecure because they are so inwardly focused that they judge their own merits in relation to everyone and everything else.

Women are attracted to calm strength, not anxiety; No one is more calm than a sociopath.

I agree with the former, however the latter doesn't really follow. The two are in no way mutually exclusive. Calm strength doesn't come from psychopathy or antisociality associated with sociopathic behavior. It comes from self-confidence and self-actualization.

Women are attracted to dominant men; Disagreeable, even violent men, are the most dominant.

Once again I agree with the former but not the latter. Violent men may have been more dominant in the days of cave men and dueling gloves, that type of behavior is no longer relevant in our society, in many ways its barbaric. Don't get me wrong, I'm a strong advocate of lifting weights and training martial arts, I even like to get in a cage now and then, but mindless violence is not indicative of violence. It is often the most violent men who are the most insecure and the most prone to fall to the man who chooses stoic inner strength and wisdom over reckless violence

Women are attracted to men who embrace risk; Dangerous men, and men in dangerous settings are the most comfortable embacring risk.

Everything checks out here, couldn't agree more.

josuenin · 2013-10-12T23:37:10+00:00

great read. keep doing what you're doing. fuck haters

zionController · 2013-05-09T01:26:32+00:00

Really appreciate this post. Provides perspective, honest thoughts...shit I don't need to say more, it was great.

Would you say you were always this type of individual, or did you stumble/get burned and discover this red pill perspective and develop over time to the man that you've become today (as well as the man you're striving to become tomorrow)?

pontifx · 2013-05-09T14:24:46+00:00

This is the closest I have seen to coming correct as a man on the internet. Couldn't be happier to read such a post. I want to add on a bit:

There is so much hate given to this sub because we can take it and the masses are thirsty for our reprisal even if it is ignoring them. They will look for any sign to believe that we are not the fictitious creature; that reality is defined in their scope and not much better. Theres always the nawalt girl, the thing is, the nawalt girls all stick with the namalt guys. We, typically, are those dudes. They, like a clever watchmaker can discern the inner workings of a watch without have the tools to open it but without those tools they can only guess at the perfection within. The tools rest at our sides, in the contour of our arms, and in our slow tumbling gait across the land.

They can't know our lives nor will they ever, they can read about it in this way and not much else.

iamme2 · 2013-05-09T02:06:17+00:00

Your dark triad points are elegantly presented I must say.

Don't sweat your mind over these people. I too rejoice from the hatred I receive. I love it when people get upset I had the nerve to talk to some woman whose considered off limits or when I refuse to do the whole "Can I take you to dinner please?" and go straight to heavy flirting and creating sexual tension. I love it when some woman doesn't like the way I do things but because of how I function and deal with them I can get more respect from her than her own husband.

No one put me in my place yet, no one fucked up my social gravy train yet, they submit or walk away.

The evidence for TRP is right outside their door and they know it.

These people hate, absolute hate, the fact that the men that get the most ass, have the most social success also have a lot less respect for other people, uphold a lot less moral ideals and actions rooted in honor and integrity than some 14 year old angst teen or a bitter 35 old man who never found companionship they think is the true misogynist. Those people are hurt and need counseling not having the finger pointed at them, all the while though successful men are laughing at your face all the way to the bank. They know it's true and it drives them crazy that their bullshit equality fantasy is nothing more than just that, a fantasy, because the world doesn't work on ideals.

Edit* lots of grammar.

I_am_chris_dorner · 2013-05-09T13:26:08+00:00

Truth is subjective, hombre.

redpillaccount · 2013-05-09T07:51:31+00:00

I liked a lot of what you said.

I did feel that points one and two glorified narcissism and sociopathy, both of which I'm opposed to on principle, at least in terms of my own personal conduct. Further, some of the most powerful respected men I've known were not disagreeable and certainly not violent. I've encountered a quiet confidence and mental fortitude/serenity that doesn't demand respect, rather people want to give it to you. They look up to you.

That still doesn't mean there isn't truth in all four of these points.

Sounds like you're succeeding.

keemar · 2013-05-09T20:17:31+00:00

I need to read your previous posts. Thanks.

zionController · 2013-05-10T07:47:22+00:00

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Title	Theredpill only gets a bad rap because its so true that it hurts.
Author	zionController
Upvotes	133
Comments	242
Date	May 9, 2013 1:07 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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