I've stopped caring

2ndal · 2018-06-03T03:03:50+00:00

you say leaving is not an option

you say you're stuck

fine.

but your wife knows this. this is why she makes zero effort to keep you.

leaving always needs to be on the table. i don't give a shit about your situation. you got kids, great. we all do. you don't want to leave because of them and i respect that, i really do. but what example are you showing them? what kind of marriage do you think they're going to end up being in?

this is either important to you or it isn't. if it isn't, then get the fuck outta here and go live your miserable life with your fat wife who holds the key to the lock of the cage you're living your life in. funny thing is she doesn't even need the key or the cage—it only exists because you put it there.

if it is important, and something tells me that it is because you're here and you're listening, then do the fucking work and quit wishing life was easy and that your wife will magically start giving a fuck.

man_in_the_world · 2018-06-03T02:10:44+00:00

I've played out scenarios in my head. Leaving or cheating is not something I'm interested in. So I'm stuck.

My Hope is that maybe she will follow my lead if I get in even better shape.

You are a Dancing Monkey hoping your Dance will somehow magically inspire her to change without you having to challenge her. This rarely works.

Either decide that her weight is a deal-breaker for you and overtly set your boundary, thereby risking the relationship, or find and cultivate in yourself a deeper attraction to her for her other qualities. Hope isn't a plan.

angels_fan · 2018-06-03T01:43:40+00:00

Are you leading her?

You need to be in charge of all meals and make a rule that there are no sugar/chips in the house.

Take her to work out.

Lead your wife man!

JimboNumberz · 2018-06-03T04:19:49+00:00

I honestly do not know if you are looking for advice or just like to whine

You have major frame problems

You need to lose a lot of weight yourself still

May as well meal prep or cook for the family; it will triple dip help you out - helps you lose weight, helps you get a hotter wife, helps your kids

You seem checked out of your family so might actually help your wife see you as a leader

You will get a hotter woman, wife or not, when you’ve fixed yourself

redpillninja · 2018-06-03T12:46:49+00:00

I don’t generally comment, being too busy with life and shit, but this post made want to say something since I was (am still) dealing with this. You can look through my post history, but synopsis - wife gained a shit ton of weight after kids, had no drive to lose it, I was miserable.

So... my suggestion is to be upfront with her about everything. Fuck being a pussy about that shit. I’ m not sure your exact situation, you didn’t list any lift numbers, but my guess would be that you are still a newb in the gym, and you are not using any dread.

My gains, or rather her losses, came from me following the dread steps by The Professor. Give less shits about her, focus on yourself, learn to talk to and eventually game other women, especially in front of your wife, and see if she cares.

I was upfront with her after years of passive aggressiveness, the grunts the frowns, etc... lying and telling her she looked great in that sundresses, instead of saying why I thought. After I had the talk, after I learned to dress better, lost weight, gained good weight, and learned to game other women, damn if she doesn’t try her hardest to lose those extra pounds.

If she really wants you, she will see the changes, they will internalize, and she will do something about it. If not, then you are on your way to a better life. Stop being a pussy and get your shit together. It’s been said here before, the stay plan is the same as the go plan. Lift, dress well, groom yourself, game women, take over the world... that last one might take some time. Peace.

Floaty_McBoatface · 2018-06-03T06:57:15+00:00

First off, you're doing the right thing, you're working on you. That is the most important thing. Stick with that, go to the maximum, not just in the gym but with learning and growing; you may discover that things come around. If not, you gave her a chance.

simbarlion · 2018-06-03T02:46:48+00:00

Age?

She has to want to improve. Dread is only thing likely to give the motivation. She likely has stopped caring too. Ask yourself why that happened....

lasttuesdaystacos · 2018-06-03T05:53:09+00:00

The win-win: you look better/feel better, and you are also planting seeds for possibilities you dont imagine yet. You say that you do not want to leave now, but your evolution is only beginning.More gym time, more books. Think about what you want from life every day and find yourself moving in that direction. Good luck!

JoATMoN9 · 2018-06-03T10:51:49+00:00

My default disgust level for women raises exponentially the closer they are in weight to me.

Loyalty

She's only loyal because no one else will have her

Honest

Have you read the rational male?

Moral virtue

Her feelings for you are one giant manipulative lie. Again, have you read the rational male?

RPenginerd · 2018-06-03T13:40:07+00:00

So I'm stuck

Some stoic wisdom for you this Sunday morning:

“Apply yourself to thinking through difficulties—hard times can be softened, tight squeezes widened, and heavy loads made lighter for those who can apply the right pressure.” - Seneca

CaliEd256 · 2018-06-03T15:48:47+00:00

Did she go on anti-depressants? I don’t give a damn what the docs say, those make women crazy fat. Ballooning from 140 to 190 is crazy.

I was dating a woman who started them, she put on 10 pounds in one month (similar height). Told her she had to get off them or I was out. She tried to start a bunch of drama over how “I didn’t understand mental illness”.

Which I don’t, and don’t really care to. Nexted her quick, just glad I wasn’t further in.

redpillrobert · 2018-06-03T16:18:27+00:00

Leaving or cheating is not something I'm interested in. So I'm stuck

well good luck then

Flynnjacklepappy · 2018-06-04T00:20:18+00:00

It doesn’t sound like you are working Dread. I only needed to lightly introduce competition anxiety to my wife and she started showing concern about her appearance. You didn’t mention your sidebar reading so I’d suggest you start there. Dread at step one and don’t skip or rush this process. Don’t assume she will follow your lead to get in better shape if that is the only thing you are improving. You have work to do.

Germaniac123 · 2018-06-04T08:48:56+00:00

Hey man,

I feel your pain as I'm in the same boat.

Somewhere during our LTR she got the idea that I'd like it if she grew bigger and bigger. Got to admit, I don't like superthin skanks, there has to be some meat on it.... but there is meat and there is just obese.

IMO after we got married she must have thought "ah i'm married now, long live the good life woohoo". Then she became pregnant and started to eat a lot of candy, behaving badly and whenever I commented on it she said "i'll do whatever the fuck i want. You just do you, i'll do me".

That's when I started reading about RP. On advice from here I cut her some slack after she just gave birth, because that will impact any woman, but now that time has now passed and i need to get to work. In the meantime I've been mainly working on myself (lifting, reading) and started doing my own thing more. I fix shit around the house, am building a new bathroom, doing my workouts, got my own hobbies, etc.

Am I right to assume that your wife/gf is pretty dominant (as well)? She doesn't take anything from you if you tell her to. At least mine's like that but it is now gradually getting better. She had some issues with her back (she has a desk job as well, doesn't move a lot) and when I told her she should do some workouts to improve her body she was "yeah but i dont like doing those exercises". Then she went to see a physiotherapist who said: you should do some more exercises. She got home and told me, honey i need to do more exercises. My physiotherapist said that Pilates would be good for improving core muscles. I guess AWALT.

We still have a VERY, VERY long way to go, but I believe I am making progress, one small step at a time:

She does Pilates once a week, spinning once a week at home;
Reduced her snacking habits to only in the weekend. If she's in the mood for something in the evening she eats some nuts. I'm not entirely fine with that but IMO it's better than eating some sugar coated rice snacks or something else that's sweet;
She looks like she is losing weight and is noticing it herself. I think this is the "major" part here that she actually notices it herself and makes her proud of it.

What I still need to work on:

Take her on family cycle trips. She likes cycling, but with a small toddler (< 1 year old) we are bound to certain times during the weekend at which I have my man-things to do like fixing shit. It would be a good calory burner to cycle for 1-2hours once a week;
We eat a lot of meals that include carbs. Although I need it for my gains, she does not need it for more gains. She eats roughly 4 slices of bread each day but we also have 3-4 carb based meals per week. This is mainly because she really likes Italian style so she always cooks that kind of stuff. Unfortunately there's always this "carving" for something in the evening, which she gives into.

I am going to cook more meals in the evening without carbs in it.

Sex wise our sex life sucks as well. It really needs some work but I'm having a real problem initiating when there's a belly in the way as well.

TL;DR:

You can't change her. She can change her. Still there are woman out that there that really do not give a flying fuck about being fit. This is a real problem and eventually has to be confronted with. We have a less than 1 year old and I am not prepared to drop that bomb yet. I'll keep working on myself. I have also noticed that there is a slight door opening to getting her to become more fit which I need to exploit more.

Also I need to read more (Meditations & WISNIFG are being delivered today) so I can improve myself first and she might follow.

Reject444 · 2018-06-04T19:15:15+00:00

So how have you been leading your wife to care more about her weight over the two years you've been lifting and making "life style changes"? Have you led her in making healthier meals for the family?

This has actually been the first (and so far only) area in which I've seen significant changes in my own wife. I started lifting regularly and eating better just 4 months ago after a lifetime of being fat, weak, and out of shape. My wife is probably a good 80-ish pounds above her ideal weight, significantly more overweight than I ever was (despite this, I was/am attracted to her and have never been overtly critical of her appearance or weight).

I lost weight quickly, and gained muscle/strength less quickly, and though my wife knew I was going to the gym regularly and eating better, I didn't explain anything to her or detail what I was doing. Then, two months in, she started mentioning that she would like to start working out too if she could find a way while having to take care of our young children. So I switched my gym membership to a (better) local gym that offers babysitting services, and told her that if she was serious--and was actually going to go enough to justify the expense--she could join up there too, because we would get a family discount. She did and she now goes there to do cardio 3-5 times per week. It's good for the kids too because they like the babysitting area and the opportunity to play with other kids outside of their normal social groups, and they see both of their parents living healthier lifestyles. She has also started (slowly) improving her diet, and because she knows I have been doing tons of research on effective exercise and nutrition lately, she has come to me for guidance on several occasions, giving me good opportunities to continue to lead.

It turns out that my wife recognized the problem with her weight, and was actually very eager to do something about it; she just saw certain roadblocks (like child care and gym expense) in her way as insurmountable and it required her Captain to provide some leadership to remove those roadblocks to help her facilitate what she wanted. Sometime leading our families just means giving them the opportunity to make something possible for them, then getting out of their way and letting them handle their own shit.

Just to be totally thorough, none of this has led to improvements yet in our sex life or relationship beyond the gym issue (I've still got a lot of work to do), but I see this as an early victory for me in my MRP journey and a good foothold to continue establishing my leadership.

InChargeMan · 2018-06-03T15:07:36+00:00

Have some fucking self respect, if not for you do it for your kids. You think it makes them feel good to see their Dad wasting his life living with a land whale instead of a happy life fucking proper woman?

The bottom line is you are lazy. You can argue "it's for the kids" all you want, but the reality is that you are not willing to improve your situation because it is easier to do nothing.

Enjoy the bed you've made.

CaliEd256 · 2018-06-03T22:57:31+00:00

🤦🏻‍♂️. Do your research, then comment. Someone might make the mistake of taking your advice.

Title	I've stopped caring
Author	Iammrp2
Upvotes	7
Comments	41
Date	June 3, 2018 1:38 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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