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[–]lordofthebowl 49 points50 points51 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I feel like when I stop for a while I get super horny and lower my standards.
[–]sentient_sasquatch 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is true, but at some point you also have to be honest with yourself and distinguish between overt lust / hedonism and your natural sexuality, the former which is encouraged and amplified by our society and which you should try to confront and grow out of.
[–]dropdeadjonathan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
💯 can confirm. This right here^ Yaaaaas, papiiiiii!
[–][deleted] 91 points92 points93 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes. I've experienced the exact same. Not much else say. Other than you're right... I should really stop. 🤔
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Straight facts!
[–]cronasminate 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
For me martial arts does the trick. Whenever I have intense sessions during the week, my libido is through the roof and for some reason the women I'm seeing just become more sexually aggressive.
I feel like physical aggression triggers some sort of pheromone response in men. I have no data to back this up so take this with a HUGE grain of salt. I hate when people state completely made up bs as if it's true.
When you don't jack off to the point that you just become passive then I would guess the benefits disappear. The more you want to and control yourself the better the result. It's like your body cums through your pheromones. Again I'm completely making shit up lol.
[–]Night_Hawk1 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean you're not. Everyone is attributing all this to some woo woo you're right I can feel it shit. This explanation is simple. Hormones. Specifically testosterone. What makes you horny and agrssive and motivated? Testosterone. When you work out? Testosterone increases. Can testosterone be sensed by women? Absofuckinglutely they can. When you ejaculate, prolactin releases which does among many other things (including reduced interest in sex) puts a temporary feedback loop to reduce testosterone. (why? In an evolutionary sense, so you dump your load in one fertile prospect and then lose interest and move onto the next. This is more evolutionary succesful than the organism that keeps fucking into oblivion with the same partner). Cut the yea you're right I sense it maybe can't sense it bs. It's your body running with hormones like every other person on this planet. Hungry? Leptin and ghrelin. Angry and frustrated? Cortisol. Ad nauseum. Figure out how to boost testosterone hormones and also stop habits that reduce them and yes you will be more horny, motivated, driven. This isn't new science. It's old science with lack of knowledge attached to it and woo woo terms used in its stead like aura, vibe, feeling in state.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with that though, my sport is powerlifting and I get what you're saying regarding physical aggression. Trying to get with women gets so much easier because of the confidence your aura gives. There's probably studies for this but from what I've experienced and heard from other men seems to hold weight in my opinion.
[–]notLOL 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I sweat profusely and when my fat is shredding off it feels like my hormones take over as the fat loss feeds to production processes. Not sure how much pheromones comes out in sweat and sticks to the external body. but when I'm intense training I'm on the mat or in the ring constantly so I'm basically bathed in my phermones and not to sound weird but other guys pheromones too due to close combat sports. Humans can smell the pheromones right? even had a male coworker randomly flinch near me while I was calmly walking "thought you were going to joke punch tap me" so I feel that indicates mixed male pheromone signals on me when aggressively training for a sport event
Morning wood (testosterone abundance?), sense of calm, positive outlook. Women just linger around wherever I am. Anecdotal but through glass wall conference rooms opposite sides little to no reaction. Enter the conference room and after some time the female (and some male?) attention turns to me effortlessly when excessively training. Partially weight loss makes me facial bone structure more positive though so maybe I'm miss attribution to pheromones
Broscience, but imho Martial arts is light version of bathing in the blood of your enemies (pheromone/sweat).
[–]justsomerandomchad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think that’s something to do with increased testosterone levels. You get all confident and also more aggressive and that masculine energy just oozes out of you its crazy.
[–]gannex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's understudied and it's slightly taboo, but there's no reason to believe humans don't emit VOCs as a function of hormonal states. Almost all animals communicate in part by smell, so there's no reason humans should be any different, and there are plenty of studies that show that humans can predict genetic compatibility by smelling potential mates clothes. I'm pretty convinced that ovulating women (maximum [estrogen] in cycle) smell like I want fuck them, so I wouldn't be aurprised if women respond to smells as a function of higher [testosterone].
[–]keytarna 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s probably just you’re more horny as a result of not jacking off and so are more forward and confident with girls which they like
[–]norwegiandoggo 163 points164 points165 points 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link
I don't have this whatsoever. Once I took a year of without jerking off. No women paid attention to me whatsoever and I felt insecure as fuck that entire year. I think this is one of those perpetual myths that refuses to die. If you don't jerk off, you will most likely come in your sleep anyway. So the effect is the same. Body needs.
Remember people are by nature superstitious and they will look for evidence to confirm their theory and ignore evidence that contradicts it. They also tend to see patterns where there are none. This no-jerking it thing is in my view just a form of placebo. You believe it makes you more confident and then you feel more confident. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
[–]xonbuhg 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
How do you even endure it
[–]norwegiandoggo 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I was shaming myself for jerking off. Punishing myself. I was in a bad place mentally at that time
[–]SLUGZonDRUGZ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I feel like that at the moment, is there any advice you can give?
[–]norwegiandoggo 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read "Men in Love" by Nancy Friday
[–]lazy784 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You think maybe that bad mental frame more attributed to your lack of success?
[–]norwegiandoggo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A million things contributed
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[–]SwimComfortable7465 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
106 isn't bad though
[–]schimelfarb 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No placebo here. Ancient cultures throughout history have done this for millenia. Just take a look at tantra or taoist sexual practices. They’ve all realized the power of sexual transmutation to channel that energy within and raise their kundalini. You definitely become more attractive cause the electromagnetic field around you is charged and expanded.
[–]norwegiandoggo -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
🤦♂️
[–]wizztube33 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just don‘t watch porn for your mental health and don’t jack off 2 times a day and you‘re fine
[–]Minty_MantisShrimp 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup, last year I decided to complete No nut November, I learned that you need a balance, if you jerk off too often you feel like shit, hold the nut for two long (over 2 weeks) and you feel like shit.
And about the confidante thing, I personally don’t feel less or more confident. What I do feel that changes is my ability to enter change, whenever I jerk off too often I feel less able to go out of my comfort zone (not wanting to get out of bed, not wanting to go to work, etc) and when I have that balance it’s more of a “whatever attitude”: need to go to the bank, walk for 40 minutes in -9° wether come back make lunch and get laundry done and get into a shower to then go to work? “Whatever” did done do it
So I’d say jerk off a couple a times a week, and if you can hold it for two weeks the better it’ll feel when you release. But don’t go over
[–]JVanDyne 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Any thoughts on the studies that have been done proving that abstinence raises testosterone in men? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11760788/
[–]norwegiandoggo 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
I would not take a study with 10 participants seriously. Even so, let's say it's true. It doesn't tell you much about confidence. Like I said, I didn't jerk off for a year and my confidence was at an all-time low. There are maaaaany factors that influence confidence. Look at Lou Ferrigno in the movie "Pumping Iron". He takes huge amounts of testosterone as a body builder yet his confidence is absolute crap compared to the confidence of Arnold. Testosterone is just a very tiny piece of the puzzle. I jerk off or have sex regularly now. My confidence is high, and my testosterone is probably low due to domestic life.
[–]JVanDyne -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
How many do you need? Is 28 enough?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1631/jzus.2003.0236
[–]norwegiandoggo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
That's not the point. Read my comment again. We're discussing confidence / attractiveness to women. Not testosterone. I'm confident. I jerk of regularly. There are many factors that influence confidence and how attractive you seem to women.
[–]krgrunst 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And testosterone is one of the factors
[–]norwegiandoggo 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Do you think women will no longer feel attracted to Ryan Reynolds because he jerked off yesterday? Do you think his confidence has gone down? Just think about it.
Women are watching a movie and they're like "nah in this scene Brad Pitt is not that hot because I can tell he jerked off yesterday"..
This whole idea that not jerking off will get you women is ridiculous from start to finish.
[–]krgrunst 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No I don’t think that lol. But maybe a lower testosterone level does affect an average looking dude’s confidence who’s not Ryan Reynolds.
[–]norwegiandoggo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sexual absitence of any sort increases testosterone according to these studies. So that means according to your theory, the more frequently you fuck women, the more your confidence will remain low. Or maybe, this thinking is a bit silly. I for one like to have sex. I like to masturbate. I think it's great. You do you
[–]krgrunst 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you’re thinking in absolutes. Like one way is right or wrong for all men which is not what I am saying. Obviously the more success you have with women the more confident you’ll be and that may not have anything to do with testosterone. But there probably is a class of men that gain confidence with chicks by raising testosterone levels which is likely not placebo
[–]ld20r 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Honestly it depends, I can jerk off 2-3 times a week and be perfectly fine in body and mind and maintain productive and energised.
Now contrast that to 2-3 times everyday and then that is not good because it does sap your energy.
Bottom line: there’s a Balance to everything in life.
I don’t eat vegetables everyday but I also don’t eat pizza everyday either.
It is perfectly healthy and normal to indulge every so often with Moderation.
It is not healthy though in my opinion to repress yourself.
Men are also far more likely to develop testicular cancer if they don’t take the time clean the pipes every so often.
[–]zystyl 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You should be eating vegetables every day though.
[–]simbuah 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes but if you eat 10 servings of vegetables in a day you will get diarrhea. Moderation applies :)
[–]ld20r -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your still going to die though at the end of the day doesn’t matter how much veg you eat.
I eat enough fruit and protein to get through the day and have a well balanced diet in general, but it’s not going to stop me from having treats every so often and the same deal applies with masturbation.
Again, a balanced diet and everything in Moderation.
[–]thugroid 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No one said that everyday vegetables will make you immortal. Just like smoking probably won’t kill you overnight. We’re talking about all the health issues, problems for family, etc, that you might be avoiding or encouraging decades down the line.
[+]roccenz -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s simple Logic:
If you release 2-3 days a week you’re telling your body that you procreate offsprings often. If you abstain, your body knows you havn’t spread your genes, thus will try to optimize itself in order to procreate. This optimizing phase is directly related to hormones in your body.
[–]Codename-Misfit 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. Can vouch for this. Not wanking off to porn mindlessly does make you feel great.
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[–]kmoss12 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
And when you get in bed with them, and finish in 10 seconds, how confident do you feel then?
[–]thisguyjuly 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesnt matter had sex
[–]Prior-Gold-118 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s why you beat off right before you get in there
[–]h7hh77 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well as long as you don't start off with it, or end on it, it's fine.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It fucking amazes me how they're able to feel the energy. The confidence developed makes it seem like I know the smoothest thing to say in any moment. I dig it
[–]roryburlon 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Absolutely. I get hit on by woman all ages when I'm sustaining . You get the "halo" effect
[–]Aarcnon31 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't know about women but not jerking definitely puts my mind in place like coming up with appropriate response in a conversation and not digging or thinking hard. It improves focus too. Also I feel quite lethargic upon jerking, so not doing that fills me up with energy. Also I felt the energy shifts more towards your brain, I mean, you become quite adept in executing your daily tasks whether it is work or passion, want to do more physical activity like exercise, etc. and that energy sometimes makes me aggressive. I already feel aggressive even while jerking every day, so on the flip side, that aggressiveness is through the roof. As someone said in comments, don't touch your pee pee other than peeing or cleaning. Also with women, I don't get sexual thoughts rather I want to know them, other than just seeing them from outside. I guess OP this is what changed in you, your approach or behaviour towards women, and that they might have sensed and felt comfortable around you. So that made you more approachable.
[–]ashi1199 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
i retention for 6months straight bcz of gym.... benefits i need way less sleep , earlier i masturbate 2 times at night it leads me to spend more time on sleep..after significant time in gym i started noticing lady started looking at me full of lust... got more attention from girls...male started to respect me more...only disadvantage was delaing with the urges..
[–]SilentJoe008 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
More likely becuz you built some muscles Ive been lifting for good period of time and jerk off and get noticed by women and way more respected by men
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I went through a similar phase as yourself, hard work and dedication just seems to have very positive effects to no ones surprise. I'm also starting to rep deadlifts at 400lb, idk if girls are mirin for that or cause I look like the fucking man, but hey I'm not complaining!
[–]ashi1199 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
my way to retain for long time is...just don't touch ur peepee
[–]PainDevourer 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How do you clean it then!? 🤔
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They can’t smell pheromones wtf
I know dudes that jack off and watch porn all the time and they have no problem pulling
[–]roccenz 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Imagine their rate if they abstained from pr0n and went on SR.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It literally wouldn't change lol
[–]MeWuzBornIn1990 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s the same when you only have sex and refrain from masturbating between sexual encounters.
[–]Matayoman 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s completely true.
If you go from 1-2 per day instead to 1 or 2 weeks apart you will find gals pay a way different level of attention. But it varies.
The key is to find your balance, if you go a week and see good results, but then it caps at 2 weeks or maybe 3.
I like the way it works for my gals, if we don’t bang for a week she is going to be always real interested and attentive to me. If I pop one without her, she literally acts differently.
Also another benefit you will find is working out and weight training. I built soo much muscle and endurance going 2 weeks between releases. It gets pretty addictive too. Eventually you will be able to bang your gal, get her off and not even get off yourself. It will keep her crazy and banging more too. No other person will exist in her world but you if you get it right.
[–]HornyTownCitizen 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To me it's more of a personal thing. When I don't jack off I feel more energetic and get more balsy when talking to women, it usually leads to better results
[–]MC_Horse_Dick 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bro I literally felt this yesterday. Haven’t nutted in about 4 days but just felt so natural and so confident. I sell tamales at farmers market and I literally pulled almost all the girls and I was just having fun and being myself and they loved it. Honestly just not jerking it all the time and not looking at porn goes a long way
[–]DR-b11 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it helps to limit 1x / week for confidence and drive. Once you go more than 2 weeks things get a bit weird. You can always divert that excess drive into physical activity.
[–]Calamity__Bane 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I find that my thoughts and perceptions of the world around me are much more integrated, my reactions are more fluid and on point, and that my energy levels are higher. These are all known advantages of nofaps.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree with you on every level. My outlook on life just seems more positive overall, I'm much more joyful and productive, not wanting to masturbate doesn't become tedious because I'm happy with everything I got going on women/school/gym/work etc. It's good stuff. I've also noticed I've become more social and can communicate with people more effectively.
[–]sentient_sasquatch 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
While I agree with you guys, in my experience porn is the kicker here.
Since it’s a super stimulus, after you have used it to the point of habit, nothing in everyday life can quite compete with that amount of happy chemical release.
So therefore when you abstain from the super stimulus, over a period of a few weeks your brain heals and resets to a baseline. This is why people report being able to concentrate on goals and generally enjoy being social once they get free of porn.
I remember when I used porn a lot, “being social” wasn’t something that sounded appealing to me at all. Later, after I let the habit go, I realised I absolutely needed weekly socialising to stay in balance.
[–]EagerSleeper 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, because placebo effect is real, and if you see more reasons to chat with strangers, then all the better...
That being said, I think the answer is that a higher libido from things like abstaining, working out, etc. is creating a sort of confirmation bias. Interactions that had suggestive tones are more apparent now, and interactions that may have seemed inocuous before might seem overtly flirtatious now. It's because it's what the brain is craving at that time.
Kind of like how food is the last thing on your mind after a buffet, but when you haven't eaten all day, you can smell bbq from a while away.
[–]SunDevilElite42 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It works 100% I can’t describe it or prove it, but not jerking off will make you more desirable, it will make you more focused and it will make you stronger.
[–]The_Ol_Grey_Mare 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
VERY creepy my friend! no wonder you're posting here tbh
[–]PaleontologistNo2785 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
At the 7 day mark your testosterone increses 50%. That improves your posture, makes u more relaxed, more confident and dominant. After 7 days t-levels go back to normal.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes absolutely. I also notice it after I’ve had sex though. If I have sex with my wife, the next day at work the women gravitate toward me. It’s an odd phenomenon
[–]Mriconicdev 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with you. I think it’s the testosterone build up
[–]NotThatSlick 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel a glow, that I definitely won’t feel with jacking off
[–]MysticMountain9 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I experience the opposite. When i am satisfied whether by myself or my partner i feel more calm and confident. This seems to be the zone where i attract women. It is markedly more noticable when it is because of my partner.
I have also been told by many of my friends (female)' just after someone leaves a conversation, that they definitely need to get off. Usually the tension and frustration are obvious.
So I guess if not makes you calm and confident then blue balls away but i would recommend the opposite.
Reduces prostate cancer risk too.
[–]YellowFeverbrah -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jacking off should put you in a better headspace. It’s called post-nut clarity for a reason. Go too long without jacking it and you risk turning into a desperate simp.
[–]Large-Leek-9113 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I haven't jerked off in 6 months and woman absolutely notice this not if you're doing it as a punishment as one sedditor mentioned mine is spiritual thing
[–]Disastrous_Ad_632 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hear yah
[–]roccenz -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is 100% true. I even get alot more matches and attention on Tinder when im on a long streak.
[–]Algo2Pete -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Personally, it's a myth. I jo a lot and got no attention from women. I started eating healthy, workout, take good care of my skin, now women couldn't keep their eyes off me. Dome are hot that make me want to fantasize about them while jerking.
[–]VDKay -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
No, not pheromones, but it can affect your mood and your energy/vibe. Most people who haven't jacked off (or generally have had a sexual release) for some time, will tend to be more edgy and irritable, and may seem more alert or high energy. Some girls will indeed notice that and respond positively to it (my experience tells me that this is usually with younger ages). If you jack off (or sexually release whatsoever), you are more calm, may even appear more drowsy. Again, some people will "vibe" with you more than others in that state as well. But anyway, for some/most people jacking-off has no effect in their mood whatsoever, at least not short-term.
[–]MO_drps_knwldg 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As with all things in life, I think it’s different for everyone. For me personally, I feel a lot more confident and have a more bold vibe if I don’t watch porn and limit masturbation.
I personally think porn is destructive for the consumer and there isn’t a litmus test if porn was produced ethically.
However, some people are able to watch porn consistently and still maintain their confidence. Again, each person is different.
[–]fag432 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This can vary for guys, some do fine with doing 2-3 times a week others once a month, some not at all! But doing it everyday definitely lowers your drive.
[–]Billyjeanisntmylover 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
T levels are higher - I can feel the power tingling in my crotch 😂
not anymore, first it was intense horniness. now my hormones act like they're not there.
[–]_____Skip_____ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If I don't at least every other day I will explode in cum or get off walking.
[–]kathruins 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i think its easier to form a connection with the person when i dont wank it for a few days beforehand. it makes the sex more about feeling good mentally and physically than just busting a nut. leads to way steamier sex when you're both dying for the release.
[–]MC_Horse_Dick 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah you are right. When you fap you are draining your manliness and women can sense it.
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